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Thread: Donzi 16 Timeline - The Boats Built During 1964

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    MC - you beat me to it.
    Thanks, Matty.

    I'm too cheap to buy one also.
    Although they look a little cheaper than the last time I checked.

    Great first hand report on Michael's first ride. I know my kids can relate!
    Of course it all changes when it's YOU behind the wheel - too funny.

    Greg- I'm cold just looking at your pictures.

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    Note to add to the benchmark filter

    looking at the pics of "genesis" the volvo 100 transom plate looks to be the same basic shape as the newer aq200-280 they have one solid rubber stop for the tilted drive and what looks like a tiller arm for the steering to the top of the drive with the bellows hose visible the first aq200 has two round rubber dots as the drive stop and the steering connection is the helmet style like all the 200 to 280 drives have this helmet covers the bellows hose

    the volvo transom housing is diamond shaped and white

    the eaton transom housing is round and black and has a traingular top where the exposed controls connect to the top of the drive

    so when looking at pics of the back of the boat we can tell what drive is there

    let's run the picture that Greg posted thru this filter and you decide what drives these 16s have
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyboy View Post
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    my wife can relate to that story she said no way in hell would she be in a 16 without a grab rail when I gave her the wheel she was like oh yeah this is so much better sitting down with the wheel to hold on to.

    I think I was forgetting about the lack of grab rail thingy , still a little '110hp' four banger in a 16 by today's standards would be like a bicycle with training wheels on it .

    Mind you , I recall my first (and only ) ride in an 18 at the '93 MIBS that had the new 351 OMC/Volvo SX in it . Rail or not I was very glad to step back on the dock afterwards !
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    while people work on the drive question I will try and get an idea when the press shoot was and seems people like to look at old stuff so enjoy


    the press shoot must have been taken before nov of 64 as seen here in the original lay out also note they don't list any other power options and only offer wonder white hulls there is no mention of any race wins except that of the wyn-mil II

    http://www.lgdonziclassic.com/pdfs/skisportlit.pdf


    then sometime in 1965 that brochure is worked down to a 2 page flyer and now lists the wyn-mil records and also all of the 1965 Team Donzi records including pics of Fred's boat and his records sorry page one and 2 are of the dink look at page 3 and 4 you can see they used some of the pics from the first brochure and added a few new ones still only volvo power and wonder white hulls

    http://www.lgdonziclassic.com/pdfs/dink16.pdf


    then look at the first st tropez brochure basically the same layout as the original 16 layout but done sometime in 65 as it also lists the most current 1965 race results I would imagine this brochure and the 16 re work ed brochure were done at the same time . So who has the dates for these races?

    Morgan's Cloud should like this

    http://www.lgdonziclassic.com/pdfs/19flyer.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyboy View Post

    then look at the first st tropez brochure basically the same layout as the original 16 layout but done sometime in 65 as it also lists the most current 1965 race results I would imagine this brochure and the 16 re work ed brochure were done at the same time . So who has the dates for these races?

    Morgan's Cloud should like this

    http://www.lgdonziclassic.com/pdfs/19flyer.pdf
    Matty , I've seen that brochure before .. is that an Eaton on that one ? The deck hardware is all like mine but the reason I ask is because when I replaced my transom a very clever repair utilizing a plug and glasswork had been done way before and there was something else there under the glass skins that was not a match for the Merc cutout and I never figured out what it was . Mine was sold to me as a 66 by the way and I know for sure that the 351 that was in it was only 10 or so years old.
    Oh , how these threads move around .. lol
    Just because something's old doesn't mean you throw it away !

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    yes eaton big round cutout
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    another note later in 1965-67 Eaton used the Volvo aq 200 and put their name on it this was also done by Holman Moody Marine and Chrysler Marine at some point in time after eaton did it. This as no bearing on this discussion just a clarification to Morgan's Cloud that besides the spin up off eaton an early donzi could have an eaton by volvo drive which would have a standard aq 200-280 cutout.
    Jay Lurie's and My 16 were like this my 16 was repowered by Holman Moody the paper work said eaton replacement but there were no signs of glass work the volvo 250 bolted right up Jay's drive had all the eaton paperwork and ran for about 40 yrs before it blew a lower he used the lower off my 250.
    but i digress

    no aswer on the drives yet?
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    Sorry - thought it was a rhetorical question.

    1 looks like Eaton
    2 definitely Volvo
    And neither of these is the Teknikens boat.

    Question - weren't Formula Jrs using an early Merc I/O?
    Or was that in the later '60s boats?
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    Merc had an 888 drive pre alpha I believe Forrest here has a 302 FSB merc 888 drive. early 70s boat

    Jay yes that is they way I see it too.

    white and green boat true spin up eaton

    white red boat volvo aq200
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    I'm thinking of the 1966 Mercruiser KICK ad w/ the blue/white junior.
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    Jay not sure I would think Karl was not going to get out done by anyone
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    man that's a small picture i guess the kick never really made it no 45 yr old drives still around

    can I get a yumpin yiminey for the robust engineering of the Swedes
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyboy View Post
    for the doubting Thomas sorry my daughter took back her scanner printer so you have to use my pics which are usually fuzzy


    HULL 0 prototype powered by a 110 hp volvo and what must be an aq100 the boat is wonder white and stripes unkown no grab rail


    from The King of Thunderboat Row by Michael Aronow a book any Donzi fan must have they were selling for near $500 now at around $125 on Amazon

    notice the painted donzi reference and look at the 28 race boat DONZI 28 on the rear gunwales the hornet that Brownie raced had DONZI 19 on the rear gunwales these are some of the first Donzi ever built so it makes total sense when the first 16 came out they would paint Donzi on it
    Ok thanks for posting the content. I went boating yesterday and while hunkered down to find my phone for a temperature reading (yes, it does say 70 degrees) I was thinking about Michael Aronow's creative test drive description. The first thing that came to mind was that he must have actually been a dwarf as there aint no way anyone can get lost in the "bottom" or floor of a 16 Ski Sporter.

    Now, of greater importance is that Michael's description discloses nothing about what specific model drive was attached to Donzi 16 hull #1. It says only that it had a Volvo 110 engine in there. Now, if you believe Alan Brown's recollection that the boat at the Jacksonville show was the FIRST 200 lower unit but the 3rd or 4th 16 hull built then I think we have some better context.

    Mike A - #1 -- Volvo 110 motor (drive unknown but Matty believes it could have been a 100)
    Alan Brown driving # 2 green stripe with an Eaton drive in the color photos
    Jim Wynne driving # 3 red stripe with a Volvo drive in the color pics and the black and white press pics
    Alan Brown again with # 4, (chritina blue deck stripe) the Jax showboat with the first Volvo 200 drive ( Mercury took great pains to try and get a close-up look at the brand new 200 drive)

    As a useless side note, the 100 lower units would have been faster than a 200 drive as the 100 profile that was dragged through the water was slimmer than the 200
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    Greg


    the red and white boat you posted pics of has an AQ200 on it with Jim Wynne at the wheel what hull do say this is?


    What I am calling hull zero was the prototype and had Donzi painted on it like the race boats all we know is the deck was white it had no grab rail and a 110hp volvo the production boats only had the script I would imagine that would be hard to read as Don drove by at 40 mph

    there are so many if's here let's just focus on what hull you think the red and white hull with the aq200 and Wynne at the wheel is????
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