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Thread: Donzi 16 Timeline - The Boats Built During 1964

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    It's snowing here so some more forensics as Winter begins...........

    The first attachment below is most likely the very first "published" article about the Donzi 16 introduction. Dated October 23, 1964, it easily pre-dates what I had found prior, which I have included below as the second attachment. The newspaper article includes Bob Cox, South Florida legend, doing some great promo work for Don's new 16. Classic!
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    A nice snowy, Saturday morning, coffee read
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    Greg, you have the tenacity of a pitbull.
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    I agree Bill, it becomes addictive

    I still have Winter work to do on one last puzzle piece .............
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    I've been contacted with a possible lead on the 1964 "All Black" 16. There's still a lot of research to do ...... but we shall see. No more info for 2 months until some forensics are done.
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    ...............
    There are only two people alive in the world that would be able to verify an all black 16. Not good odds
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Here is the excerpt from the January 30, 1965 issue of The New Yorker. No mention of the "all black" mystery 16

    A classic quip from Mr Brown though!
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    It is snowing outside and the roads are full of black ice, so I'm still researching the all black 16 aka the missing link to the full 1964 build puzzle. The more I look at this photo the more I think it could be the all black. Or maybe I just want it to be the all black suspected 1964. Dr. Trost's Son is proving to be a hard dude to get a hold of but I have three leads on him.
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    I suspect you will gather that piece of information once you review the Shepherd Boat files
    Quote Originally Posted by woobs View Post
    Yes, I hope to. But, my contact lives in British Columbia (3000kms away) and the documents are at his cottage about an hour and a half from me. It will not be until next summer or, such time that he has available for us to meet there.
    woobs did you drop the communications with the Shepard files from 3 years ago on the 1964 builds?
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    After three years work, my most recent list of the "1964 16 builds" with a key breakthrough to the mysterious ........ Hull #12

    Hull 1. Original B+W Press Release boat – Photo shows the “long” inner strakes & Volvo drive. Mike Aronow writes of taking a test run with his Dad in KOTBR. Date of B+W photo unknown, but must be snapped after May 5, and before October 5, 1964.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 2. Teknikens Varld Magazine boat - White w/ Red deck stripe only. New "shortened" inner strakes & single thru hull exhaust in photo. No Grab Rail. Shipped to Volvo Sweden for tests which was likely hastened by the 10/1/64 Longshoremans strike.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 3. Jim Wynne driving boat - White w/ Red deck & red chine stripe. Speedo to right of helm. Inner strakes not clear but look to be "short" in photos. Drive ID'd as Volvo Aq200 Euro loaner. No Deck Grab Rail. Photos thought to be taken Sept/Oct '64.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 4. Allan Brown driving boat - White w/ Green deck stripe only - Ford Eaton 260 cu inch V8 165hp motor & Eaton flip up drive. No Deck Grab Rail. Again, color photo of both Brown and Wynne running side by side thought to be taken Sept/Oct 1964.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 5. Jacksonville Boat Show boat - White w/ Blue deck stripe thru dash & blue chine stripe. Brownie at show on 11/13/64. Shown in Four Page Color Brochure with El Camino, & on Travel-Lift. First Aq200 production drive in USA - No Deck Grab Rail.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 6. Bob Cox and Ed Joyce boat - No photo of hull at dealer Lauderdale Marina ever found so far. Initially they raced a Formula 233 then became the first Donzi dealer in Florida. "Hot" Volvo 110/100 package. Deck Grab Rail unknown. ID provided by F. Darwick.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 7. Fred Darwick race boat - Invoice #67 dated 12/10/64 shows $3,095. Photo of hull marked with race #11 shows it as White w/ Green deck stripe & green chine stripe. "Hot" Volvo 110 (made 140hp) & special race Aq100 drive. No Deck Grab Rail.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 8. David Ray boat - White w/ Blue deck stripe. Initial power also "Hot" Volvo 110/100 package. Sold to David Ray directly by Don Aronow with Fred's help. Boat still exists in Merritt Island today under a different owner. Race Aq100 drive in storage.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 9. New York Boat Show 16 – Color was white with a blue stripe. Show was Jan 13, 1965 in a blizzard. Could it have then continued North to the Shepherd boys or was an entirely different (and additional) '64 hull shipped up to Canada? woobs asking TIBS.
    100% Confirmed

    Hull 10. Second New York Boat Show 16 - Did it exist, get sold and sent South? Only Brownie would remember if there were two Ski Sporter’s in the booth next to the $8,000 green 19' Hornet. Donzi had two booths at the show.
    90% - Brownie email last week recalls one or two, and Scott Bolts says two

    Hull 11. Canada Shepherd Ltd boat - Was it solid yellow? woobs has made contact with Jim Hahn Jr., whose Dad managed Shepherd Boats at this time. They'll meet to review old Donzi partnership papers that still exist for added clues sometime in 2016.
    50% - Pending review of the 50 year old cottage papers as TIBS show was a full month later than originally thought

    Hull 12. All Black boat - Was this yet another totally different 16 or was the reporter calling it black when it was actually another dark color? Only one person in the world might know.
    25% - Only one article refers to the black hull. Looking for others. Edit: Increasing to 50%. A very early "All Black" hull has been located! It is currently undergoing forensics.
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
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    A confirmed 1964 date stamp of when Gross-Greenman Advertising took on PR duties for Don and the crew
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    Gross-Greenman made other announcements when they brought on a new client so the November 5, 1964 data is fully legit.
    A follow-up to the November 5, 1964 Gross Greenman launch is this first ad by Donzi's first dealer, Lauderdale Marina, dated 12-25-64
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Starting to work through the discovery process with the "jet black" 16. First, I uncovered confirmation that there was a black one built in 1966 with a tan interior. Possibly two were built based on the info below. Now I need to see if I can connect any other dots for 1964 and 1965. Info is really hard to come by on this last piece of the puzzle for all the 16's built in 1964.
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    ............
    Still coming up empty for 1964, so as I search for a background on the black hull I decided to spend some time on 1965 to see if there were solid colored hulls built that year. Old information that had already been uncovered by board members plus new info that I was able to document shows there were actually several different solid colored hulls.

    The first below is from December of 1965, an all red 16 with 165hp Interceptor. Notice the price of $4,885.
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Then there is the famous picture of the two 16's in Red and Yellow in the window of Abercrombie and Fitch NYC in 1965. The exact date of the photo was never fully documented.
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    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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