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    1996 22 Classic for Sale

    We seem to use our little 17' Aqua-Sport a whole lot more than our 22' Classic. I need to have a "hot rod" to rip around in so my thoughts are to trade/sell down my 22' for an 18' Classic and trade/buy up my little 17' cc for a 20/21' cc.
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    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

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    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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    Hummm... Interesting, I have a 18 that I'm trying to get finished, still waiting exhaust to come in (no hurry now that fall got here). Never even put fuel in the brand new tank yet.
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    I'm in CT so I'd be looking in the north east

    I'd want a mild not wild small block Chevy and a Merc out drive. Not looking for a big project either...
    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

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    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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    I have a 18 but its pushing 600hp and a Blackhawk drive .that wouldn't be interesting would it.it only does in the 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat McPherson View Post
    I'd want a mild not wild small block Chevy and a Merc out drive. Not looking for a big project either...

    It's not necessarily a project and maybe not exactly what you were looking for but worth a look (just because I like showing it off, lol). It was/is a project I started last winter. Got it Jan. I then spent a month out of town re-doing a house this winter then spring took forever to get here and then I blew my boats 496 just before the boat show this June or ...... basically it's been an overdue project from the start (I figured 6 months max) and now that fall is here I'm in no hurry at all even though (when I get the risers back from the shop) it would take about 15 minutes to get it ready for it's first test drive but with the motor nice and dry and in hibernation already and no fuel in the tank to worry about I think I'm better off to put the whole thing on ice until next spring.

    A winner is just a loser that got up and did it one more time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    It's not necessarily a project and maybe not exactly what you were looking for but worth a look (just because I like showing it off, lol). It was/is a project I started last winter. Got it Jan. I then spent a month out of town re-doing a house this winter then spring took forever to get here and then I blew my boats 496 just before the boat show this June or ...... basically it's been an overdue project from the start (I figured 6 months max) and now that fall is here I'm in no hurry at all even though (when I get the risers back from the shop) it would take about 15 minutes to get it ready for it's first test drive but with the motor nice and dry and in hibernation already and no fuel in the tank to worry about I think I'm better off to put the whole thing on ice until next spring.

    How could you sell something you put that much Blood - Sweat - Tears in

    That came out SWEET!
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    1995 Classic 18
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    MERCURY VENGEANCE 48-16320A46 13 1/2 INCH X 23 PITCH PROP
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONZI-DON View Post
    How could you sell something you put that much Blood - Sweat - Tears in

    That came out SWEET!
    Not done yet but thanks.
    How? I've done a few in the past. Had some fun with them and then passed them on to new owners. Didn't make much money but they at least paid for themselves and they were fun to do. The last time I was actually trying to down size on how many I still have and ended up with the Donzi as part of a deal. With the market like it's been, is still and I'm afraid the way it's going to be for a while to come restoring classic boats is a losing money endeavor. I've been lucky on a few of them by having a left over motor or something from one of the boats I'm keeping but if I really added up the money without the left overs from other projects I'm sure I'm in the red. So already having a deep v runabout Nova 19 I think the Donzi is going and maybe another boat (Biesemeyer) if I can’t figure it out and I'm just going to be an everyday boater for a while with the 24 and 19.
    But ……
    Not that I could pass it past the wife being it would be another boat for boat trade and not cash to pay off some of the bills that comes from these boats but for me a trade between two in the same depressed market both being on equal ground peaked my interest and to me is almost better then cash for both of us but like I said it’s not done yet so maybe I spoke up a little early.


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    1967 Nova Marine - SuperNova24 - ACBS Winner - 2012 Best Race Boat - 2016 Peoples Choice & Best Non Wood
    1972 John Allmand - Nova 19
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    1982 PolarKraft -Jonboat - Crab Killer

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    Great Video!

    Real Nice Restoration!
    What's she worth?
    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

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    1996 22' Classic, 502Mag Bravo
    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat McPherson View Post
    Real Nice Restoration!
    What's she worth?
    Thanks!
    Not a clue. Could have had it for pennies on the dollar when I found out I had the wrong flywheel and the whole project was on hold for a month until I got the right one. I've seen prices all over the place lately and like I said it's not done and wont be tested until spring so I never researched/felt out what I should sell it for.
    Got a almost new and never used then rebuilt 454 with a decent cam, lifters, roller rockers, polished air gap intake, Edelbrock 750, Merc 496 exhaust, etc, etc. It's a strong but not over built BBC. Used it for 1/2 a season in my Biesemeyer and it still would be there if I didn't find a pretty historical motor that's in it now. Should never have to beat on the motor to make the Donzi go fast and easy cruising speeds should be pretty respectful also.
    The boat originally came with a Volvo 280 and then someone tried (and succeeded from what I understand) to make a Frankenstein trim system for the outdrive. To keep as original looking as possible I did a Volvo 280T transom shield. The most versatile and simple to work on shield that will add trim to all Volvo Pentas there is. They are rare but worth the hunt and a Volvo Penta should be able to easy handle 500hp leaving room for future motor upgrades but the boat shouldn't need it.
    It's not perfect but it's local boat show worthy and I wouldn't say it if I didn't think it's couldn't win it division at least.
    A winner is just a loser that got up and did it one more time.
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    1967 Nova Marine - SuperNova24 - ACBS Winner - 2012 Best Race Boat - 2016 Peoples Choice & Best Non Wood
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    I had a 1975 with Volvo 280

    Years ago I had a 18 with 320HP/350sbc and Volvo 280. The boat ran great but finding parts for the 280 was either difficult or expensive. I also didn't like that she didn't have trim. I traded the boat plus cash for a 1987 20' Minx with 350Mag Alpha. While the Alpha is not as tough as the Volvo, having trim and parts easy to come by worked better for me. To each their own...

    Last year there was a late 70s, I think 79, 18' that had been restored and repowered with a 400HP/383 and Bravo shortie for sale in the 15K range. I believe there is a mid 80s repowered with 400HP/383 Bravo for under 13K for sale now. As with every boat, they are worth what you can get...

    What's my 22' Classic worth?
    1996 with 250 total hours, 502Mag with something less that 250hours, Gil Exhaust, K-Plans, bla bla bla, 2004 Alum trailer.
    $20K - $25K ??
    I wouldn't sell at $20K but I would at 25K...
    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

    Previously owned Donzis -
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    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat McPherson View Post
    Years ago I had a 18 with 320HP/350sbc and Volvo 280. The boat ran great but finding parts for the 280 was either difficult or expensive. I also didn't like that she didn't have trim. I traded the boat plus cash for a 1987 20' Minx with 350Mag Alpha. While the Alpha is not as tough as the Volvo, having trim and parts easy to come by worked better for me. To each their own...

    Last year there was a late 70s, I think 79, 18' that had been restored and repowered with a 400HP/383 and Bravo shortie for sale in the 15K range. I believe there is a mid 80s repowered with 400HP/383 Bravo for under 13K for sale now. As with every boat, they are worth what you can get...

    What's my 22' Classic worth?
    1996 with 250 total hours, 502Mag with something less that 250hours, Gil Exhaust, K-Plans, bla bla bla, 2004 Alum trailer.
    $20K - $25K ??
    I wouldn't sell at $20K but I would at 25K...

    I seem to be able to find more cheap Volvo parts then I need so that is one reason I tend to stay with Pentas. Without trim it wouldn't be a second thought but with I almost prefer it to many others.
    Man those Donzi's hold their value. 25K would be a lot more then I would ask for the 18 and I couldn't even think about asking the wife to trade a boat for another boat plus a chunk of cash to make it happen. Ahhhh pipe dreams. lol. Hope you find someone that can make the trade for ya. Not often you see someone who wants to downsize which could be a great opportunity for someone. If you sell it and are still looking for a 18 ....
    A winner is just a loser that got up and did it one more time.
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    1967 Nova Marine - SuperNova24 - ACBS Winner - 2012 Best Race Boat - 2016 Peoples Choice & Best Non Wood
    1972 John Allmand - Nova 19
    1972 John Allmand - Nova19 (#2)
    1982 PolarKraft -Jonboat - Crab Killer

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    22 for $20-$30K and 18 for $10-$20K

    Quote Originally Posted by f_inscreenname View Post
    I seem to be able to find more cheap Volvo parts then I need so that is one reason I tend to stay with Pentas. Without trim it wouldn't be a second thought but with I almost prefer it to many others.
    Man those Donzi's hold their value. 25K would be a lot more then I would ask for the 18 and I couldn't even think about asking the wife to trade a boat for another boat plus a chunk of cash to make it happen. Ahhhh pipe dreams. lol. Hope you find someone that can make the trade for ya. Not often you see someone who wants to downsize which could be a great opportunity for someone. If you sell it and are still looking for a 18 ....
    Yes, I agree the Donzi Classics do seem to hold their value.
    I hunted for my 22C for nearly 2 years before buying. 22s with stock BBc and Bravo drives that are in good shape/not projects start at $20K. The 18s seem to be a little more reasonable; maybe there are more out there. There are definately more 18s that have been restored to some degree that are good deals; yours being an example...
    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

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    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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    86 Classic

    Quote Originally Posted by Pat McPherson View Post
    We seem to use our little 17' Aqua-Sport a whole lot more than our 22' Classic. I need to have a "hot rod" to rip around in so my thoughts are to trade/sell down my 22' for an 18' Classic and trade/buy up my little 17' cc for a 20/21' cc.
    I have a 86 Classic that you may be interested in, my email is drick3234@gmail.com
    thank you, Carl Reichelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by drick View Post
    I have a 86 Classic that you may be interested in, my email is drick3234@gmail.com
    thank you, Carl Reichelt
    Hi Carl,
    Are you looking to trade/buy up from an 18’ to a 22’ Classic?
    Where are you located?
    Details on your boat?
    Thanks,
    Patrick
    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

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    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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    Thank you for the pics!

    Quote Originally Posted by drick View Post
    I have a 86 Classic that you may be interested in, my email is drick3234@gmail.com
    thank you, Carl Reichelt
    Great Looking 18' Carl!

    We got the CT River Run this weekend so I'll take some recent pics of mine...
    Thank you, Patrick
    1994 18' Classic 350Mag Alpha

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    1987 20' Minx, 350Mag Alpha
    1975 18' Classic, 350Chevy Volvo 280

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