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    Quote Originally Posted by yeller View Post
    Greg, what did you mean by this? Are they different than the other Warlock styles, or different compared to the other Euros? Did any Euro ever get a stepped hull or pad?
    Well yeller, there are a few permutations here.........

    The first "Euro" was designed by Tom Stolarz, successful racer and founder of Team Warlock based in Corona, Southern Cal. He designed and then built the legendary "23 Offshore" initially in very early 1987, then in 1988 introduced the "24 Euro" model. He had been messing around with various designs from 1985 according to Jim Allen who I ran down a year or so ago. The 23 and 24 were both a part of the companies World Class model line-up of super narrow beam V hulls from Team Warlock but the 24 Euro's (contrary to many opinions) have a somewhat different bottom than the 23 Offshore, including a 25 degree dead rise. The Stolarz built 24 Euro's ended in 1995 although the molds survived and the same model was built on occasion by a different company through 1998 as requested. The word is that (8) 24 Euro's were built in 1998 with the absolute last one out of the mold actually being a full walk through open bow model with a Merc Blue 500 bulldog race motor. No steps, no pad, 25 degree V, narrow beam from 1989 through 1998. The brochure below says the beam is 7 foot, but that is not true, it is 6'8" at the widest point, but who's counting.

    Sometime during his ownership period, Tom Stolarz must have decided to tool a 25' Euro and Dan Kirby, glass legend in SoCal (also ran a 200mph Corvette) who had joined Tom to run the Team Warlock glass shop operation, laid up a few 1994 hulls which had under bow facing jumper seats and a true 7' beam.

    Then, at some point in 1995 Carter Read worked out a what I believe was a somewhat messy deal to buy Team Warlock from Stolarz. Stolarz evidently was getting more into his WPM steering systems business. Carter Read took Tom's 1994 25 Euro design and molds and built a few Ultimate 25 Euro's in 1995 only. Interestingly when you run across an Ultimate, they carry a HIN of UTC. In 1996 the name was legally changed to Ultimate Warlock and the bottom on the 25 Euro was tweaked including dropping the dead rise to 24 degrees and gaining a more useful under bow small bed as Carter Read raised the deck a little bit while maintaining the narrow beam and overall Euro look. Still no steps, no pad and a 7' beam on these Ultimate Warlock 25 Euro's from 1996 on.

    Early 1996, Read introduces the Ultimate Warlock 28 Euro (29' LOA) of which I have only seen two, same bottom as the 25 in all respects, just more running surface. Then, in late 1996 the 29 Euro which is 30' LOA. Both these boats - no step, no pad, narrow 7' beam, 24 degree V. My opinion only is that both the 28 Euro and 29 Euro were probably based on the Team Warlock 28 Offshore hull which is also a narrow beam 24 degree. Probably an identical bottom with the completely different Euro deck and transom steps. The 28 Euro that's for sale above is very rare and has a B3 drive but the puny BBC engine which is too bad. That thing is a great value at $20k if it at least had a 454Mag with the B3. Instead it has the 310hp carb 454 and tops out at 53mph

    Not until the Warlock 32 Euro was introduced yeller (the model was kind of an oddball) did they switch to use the step and pad bottom design specifically for a Euro. The 32 Euro is a very different boat though including a wide beam.

    Now the -flat deck square transom- Ultimate Warlock's (renamed simply as "World Class" models by Read) started using the step and pad bottom design in late 1996. The first boat was the 29 built to race APBA. From there the 27 in 1998 and then the 25 in 2000. All of these kicked butt on the race circuit. The 25 foot World Class' bottom was tweaked a bit by Reed based on all the race success the 29 and 27 had and with its serpentine step, pad bottom 25 degree V it has clocked 78mph on radar with a 496HO and stock Bravo drive without low water pickup. Fast, efficient boats. Unfortunately, these Carter Read "World Class" models in 25, 27, and 29 were never offered as a Euro.

    Sorry for the soap box, but in for a penny in for a pound. Both Tom Stolarz and Carter Read are still living in Southern Cal today.
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    As I mentioned, the 32 Euro's used a completely different bottom than the race proven 29 and 27 World Class narrow beam hulls. The 32's have two steps not one, and the pad is completely different.

    Here is a 2006 Warlock 32 Euro with twin 496HO's for sale .............. $100,000

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    IMO the best overall choice in the Euro series is the 25 built by Carter Read and Ultimate Warlock starting in 1995. Actually, 1996 and later would be better as the HIN matches the Ultimate Warlock brand label and holds its value better. The extra length gives the hull great symmetry, the UTC's have a little faster 24 degree bottom, and with a slightly higher deck it makes the bed and jumper seats under the bow more family useful.

    These specific boats are hard to find though and really tough to find with subdued gel coat colors. I actually think the boat would look great in all white like the 25 Euro pictured below. The transom steps just fade away with low key graphics. An understated, family friendly, 7' beam wave crusher that'll do 70 with a 454Mag.
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    But I will say that this 1988 24 Euro with simple colors is a close second to the 25 above. Someone needs to buy this for $10k and drag it North. It even has the hood scoop already in place for a blower to be added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    Now onward to the 28 Euro. Here's a really clean 1996 that's for sale in Texas. I've only seen two of these 28's ever for sale. This one is a legit Ultimate Warlock and for a '96 has a very current color scheme. On the block for -- $22,500
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    That was a quick drop in price, now down to ..... $21,000
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    The 28 Euros are still straight 24 degree V's like the 25 Euro. No steps and no pad on the keel. Normally any of the Euro's will carry 12" of length for the integrated swim platforms.

    Here's the ad for the 1996 Ultimate Warlock Euro 28 from the guy in Idaho who owned it before the current seller. Looks like it has a great history. $24,000, $22,500, $21,000
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    28' Warlock Power Boat - $24,000 (Cd'A, ID)
    Date: 2012-01-30, 8:18PM PSTReply to: gyzwp-sale.craigslist
    1996 28' Warlock Euro. 454, Bravo 3 dual prop drive with shower. Expertly maintained only adult driven and no modificaitons. Stored in heated garage year round not in the water. Mint conditon inside and out. Originally from Lake Havasu we brought it up here 2 years ago. Sadly due to the scamming activity on CL please phone with any questions. Thanks Bill (2o8) 8one8 -3134
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    This 1989 Team Warlock 24 Euro was for sale last year and just came back on the market again today in Pennsylvania. It has the 1989 Bravo with the smaller, faster bullet on the gearcase but it looks like the motor is the older 370hp motor from 1987. Not that I have any idea what a 370 Merc motor actually is. These Euro 24s are 24'5" tip of the bow to edge of the swim steps.

    Was first priced at $16,900 back in July of 2013. For sale now at ........ $14,900
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    Well it looks like the sharp yellow 1991 Euro 25 just re-surfaced and is for sale again. Also looks like the current owner doesn't know he actually has a 25 footer. Yellow for yeller
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    Just when I thought I was the Cliff Clavin of Warlock's someone throws me a curve ball. This is a 1991 Marlin 24 Euro. What.....Marlin? The ad isn't accurate as Team Warlock was building Euro 24 models in 1989. I will say this Marlin is interesting because they engineered a set of jumper seats and a bed under the bow. How'd they do that? It also has side windows, a substantial windscreen + a deck hatch. Have never seen a Marlin 24 Euro and probably never will again.
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    I wonder if the bottom is the same 25 degree dead rise as the Team Warlock 24 Euro's bottom. I like the colors, they look current for a 23 year old hull. Priced at $19,000
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    Well before Carl invented the "Carl Cabin" and George designed the "Carter Closet" for Classics, the West Coast builders were being innovative with layouts. Here is a picture of the little jumper seat area under the bow. In front of those seats is the little bed. Hard to believe they fit all that in a low profile format. Team Warlock did not choose to do this with the bow area of there hulls being more of the APBA racer types. They just have a flat playpen floor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    1991 Marlin 24. Well, not really. It is actually a 25 Euro which is why it has the little cabin and jumper seats. Started at $19k.....down to $16k
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    This Euro as pictured below was in mint condition last year when it sold. Now it's over in Alabama. I actually like the little windows. Started at $19,000, then $16,000, now looks like a lot of boat for $11,500
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    Price drop on the 1996 Ultimate Warlock 28' "Euro" in Texas. Started at $24k back in 2012, then this year $22.5k, then a month ago down to $21k. Now listed again yesterday with ..... make a reasonable offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    Here's the ad for the 1996 Ultimate Warlock Euro 28 from the guy in Idaho who owned it before the current seller. Looks like it has a great history. $24,000, $22,500, $21,000
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    28' Warlock Power Boat - $24,000 (Cd'A, ID)
    Date: 2012-01-30, 8:18PM Reply to: gyzwp-sale.craigslist
    1996 28' Warlock Euro. 454, Bravo 3 dual prop drive with shower. Expertly maintained only adult driven and no modificaitons. Stored in heated garage year round not in the water. Mint conditon inside and out. Originally from Lake Havasu we brought it up here 2 years ago. Sadly due to the scamming activity on CL please phone with any questions. Thanks Bill (2o8) 8one8 -3134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    .Price drop on the 1996 Ultimate Warlock 28' "Euro" in Texas. Started at $24k back in 2012, then this year $22.5k, then a month ago down to $21k. Now listed again yesterday with ..... make a reasonable offer
    I guess no one has made a reasonable offer for the 28' Euro as the seller just dropped the price again yesterday to $17,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    I guess no one has made a reasonable offer for the 28' Euro as the seller just dropped the price again yesterday to $17,000
    Greg,
    I rarely go on Offshore Only, but I posted in the Warlock section to a guy who apparently just bought this Euro.

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    A nice purchase for $17,000. Probably only a few 28's ever made.
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    In the Euro series, every now and then you see another builder. Here is a 1996 Hawaiian 24 Euro with an unusual Volvo drive. Just listed for ..... $16,000
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    Just up for sale is this 1998 Ultimate Warlock 24 Euro.

    This is probably the last one ever made and in addition it is a walk through open bow which is rare. It started life with a 500 Bulldog but now seems to have a 502. 78mph and ........... $24,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    Next in line is the 29' Euro. Here's a 1996 Ultimate Warlock 29 for sale that they're calling a 27. A narrow beam 27 was never made. Dealers, you gotta love 'em. Wrong HIN too. For sale with big power for ..... $28,000
    A nice price drop on this mislabeled 1996 Ultimate Warlock 29 Euro with a big Pfaff 540. This hull measures 29'10" LOA. It started at $28,000 ...... now marked down to $22,800
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