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Thread: 1990 Team Warlock 23 Offshore - The Survivor

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    Thanks Bill, you're too kind. I'm going to test a Trophy 25" I have for yucks. Want to see if the Jap hamsters can spin the 25 versus the 21 wheel and what it does to RPM's. I doubt it will be any faster than 61 honestly.

    When I was testing the 21 Trophy and on the way home Big 343 was out moving up River. It's a monster and makes you remember those lost.
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    Cool pic. I checked today and don't have an entire transom bracket like I thought. A friend recently taught me how to take a screen shot out of a video so here is one from the video of the Warlock 23' run with the Mirage 25P. We might take it out tomorrow with the Rev 4.
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    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    That is cool, but your boats attack angle and bow lift with that prop would be far more interesting Might be time for your overhead drone to do some filming. Hopefully you run the 23 today with the Rev 4 prop.
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    With our kids heavily into the travel lacrosse season, time on the boats is more limited. This weekend I couldn't get out but I did get a chance to clean up the damage from my mishap a bit. A lot came out. The white tape would make Mr. Carter cringe! I poked around to see what the blue material in the glass layup might be and many folks thought it was klegecell or divinycell core. I'm not sure on that though as I don't believe my 1987 is actually a cored boat. I thought Team Warlock added that core option later. I have to look around my boat some more.
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    Rev 4 on Warlock 23'

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    That is cool, but your boats attack angle and bow lift with that prop would be far more interesting Might be time for your overhead drone to do some filming. Hopefully you run the 23 today with the Rev 4 prop.
    We ran the 23' Warlock with the 25P Rev 4 this afternoon for a long run - at least 60 miles. It hooks up incredibly well but produced a fair lean to left which the port k plane corrected quickly. When I first tried for max speed, I trimmed the drive too much and it got squirrely at top end but I did see 78mph and increasing before backing out. Between the porpoising and kicking left/right I did not pursue that run. As we drove more at cruise, I kept playing with the drive trim and adjusting the port trim tab. I got the most stable ride by letting the boat run almost flat with very little drive trim and the port tab down enough to level the boat. With that setting, I was running 50mph at 3000RPM and 60mph at 3500RPM with great stability and cutting waves with no porpoising. The 23' Warlock does not like the drive trimmed up nearly as much as the 28' Warlock running the same prop, but the 28' has the IMCO Extreme which might be the difference. I might have to give the OMC Raker another shot by not trimming it so much - it also hooked up well with great RPM/mph numbers at high cruising speeds, but I was trimming it a lot for top end runs. I think the boat just needs to run almost flat with very little trim for best handling characteristics. Anyway, that is my quick report.
    By the way, we had a great time today getting to parts of the lake I have not been in 20 years and then swimming out the the open lake with our dog near some rock cliff faces - very fun day!

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Lot to absorb here. Sounds like it was a great day.

    I'd level the trailers and drives on both the 28 and 23 and compare how far below the keel each prop shaft is. I'm going to guess 4.25" below the keel on the 23 which is deep.
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    When I got my best top speed of 70 GPS with the 23" Rev 4 it was also squirrelly for the last four mph or so gain in top speed as it was for you Bill. I also noticed a little porpoise in the mid range that I could drive though. I had no chine walk (left right, right left) that I can remember at any speeds.
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    Your first run does confirm that 75mph on GPS will be readily available once you get the seat time and dial things in with the Rev 4.
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    Also, I'm finding it interesting that the prop shaft centerline on the IMCO drive on your 28' is 5 1/4" below the keel. I guess I stand corrected as I thought your Team Warlock 23 footers Bravo would be deeper, but it isn't. Go figure.
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    After some thinking and a little research, I decided to put the Mirage 25P back on this afternoon. I believe it did not create as much lean, it felt good in almost every condition, and the top end speed and RPM was fine for me. I think the Rev 4 hooked up so well that the engine was being overloaded. I'll try it again soon now that I am getting hooked on the 23' as a really nice cruiser. I almost put on a Mirage Plus 25P, but that would lower the RPMs below where I want it to run. We'll see soon.

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    We ran the 23' Warlock with the 25P Rev 4 this afternoon for a long run - at least 60 miles. It hooks up incredibly well but produced a fair lean to left which the port k plane corrected quickly.
    When I test my 23 pitch Rev4 prop again I'm going to see if it produces the same lean to the left that you experienced. I don't remember clearly. I'm wondering if a 25P is just too big a wheel for your motor. Does the seat of the pants tell you it is making 500hp? What RPM were you seeing at 75mph before it got squirrely?
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    When I test my 23 pitch Rev4 prop again I'm going to see if it produces the same lean to the left that you experienced. I don't remember clearly. I'm wondering if a 25P is just too big a wheel for your motor. Does the seat of the pants tell you it is making 500hp? What RPM were you seeing at 75mph before it got squirrely?
    Keith had the engine built at a race engine business in CA so I have to presume the 525HP rating is fairly accurate and it feels like it. I did not read the tach when I hit 78mph (and still accelerating) with the Rev 4 since I was mostly concentrating on driving the radical ride. My main reason for dropping back to a 3 blade prop is that I feel like the engine and drive were being pushed to the max with the Rev 4 hooking up so well. Towards the end of our day's run, I kept the drive lower and had the port tab down enough to level the boat and the boat seemed totally under control at WOT which was only 72mph at 4500RPM (I believe). The drive was barely raised above the first mark on my gauge. For comparison, I noticed in the video of my first trip out with the Mirage that the drive gauge was right at the second mark out - quite a difference! I should also add that I felt a little vibration with the Rev 4 like it needs to be balanced even though it is new. My mechanic friend told me yesterday that his prop guy mentioned that most of the brand new Solas Titan props needed balancing in his experience so the Rev 4 might also sometimes need it. The Rev 4 25P on my 28' Warlock felt perfect however. I actually have a new Rev 4 23P which might be worth trying sometime in the future -

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    Keith had the engine built at a race engine business in CA so I have to presume the 525HP rating is fairly accurate and it feels like it. The Rev 4 25P on my 28' Warlock felt perfect however. I actually have a new Rev 4 23P which might be worth trying sometime in the future -
    Now the 23P would be a very interesting compare/contrast ............ prop v prop.

    Bring your 23, your 28, and your drone up to NYC and I'll get some guys I know to create an interesting Team Warlock mini docu-drama. We'll give it a "24" like feel lol. Then I'll pitch the clip to Ken Burns, who will then convince Tom Stolarz to provide all the early details and APBA pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    Now the 23P would be a very interesting compare/contrast ............ prop v prop.

    Bring your 23, your 28, and your drone up to NYC and I'll get some guys I know to create an interesting Team Warlock mini docu-drama. We'll give it a "24" like feel lol. Then I'll pitch the clip to Ken Burns, who will then convince Tom Stolarz to provide all the early details and APBA pictures.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVeFMUnvwuE
    That sounds like fun! By the way, I tried to contact Warlock or ARKO this week with no success on either -

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    That sounds like fun! By the way, I tried to contact Warlock or ARKO this week with no success on either -
    I can give you the Arko info Bill. When you say you tried to contact Warlock, do you mean you tried to call Team Warlock's Tom Stolarz directly in SoCal?
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