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    I laid down 200 miles round trip yesterday deep up in to the Hudson River. Ended up in Kingston. The day was a perfect 10. While on my run I was trading notes with the owner of the countries fastest Team Warlock 23 Offshore. He has a 540 that evidently makes 680hp and has done 91-92mph on radar in freshwater, 90mph on demand. Friggin impressive. These Spinelli's must have been a very accomplished prop shop back in the day. Here is the Spinelli 4 blade he has been running for that last 7 years. The Spinelli's retired several years ago
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    Is he running that 680hp through a regular Bravo drive?

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    Is he running that 680hp through a regular Bravo drive?
    Yep, 100% stock Bravo drive with side inlets
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    On my trip yesterday I tested a Merc Rev4 prop for 100 miles and then on the return ran a PowerTech OFX4 prop for 100 miles. I have liked both of these props from the start but this was a chance to really press them in a wide variety of water conditions. More on that comparo later.
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    Bill,

    Back when I was thinking about buying the boat I turned you on to, I threw down the gauntlet about the motor Keith had in it to the "car motor guys" on the site. Here is the feedback. The boys thought that 550hp was not real based on the data Keith provided about his build up.


    Greg Guimond 550 Horsepower
    Does this build up have the "good stuff" and is 550 ponies about right?

    454cid 550hp Dart Big M Iron block, 9 1/2 to 1 compression, Bravo drive w/shower
    Crane hyd roller Cam w/roller lifters & gold roller rockers, Hardin SS sea pump
    Manley SS intake valves & Inconel exhaust valves -10hrs on engine fresh water only
    Imco exhaust manifolds with SS risers, Cyclone SS mufflers tips, Halon fire system
    Holly 830 carb, MSD ign system w/rev limiter & distrib, dual batteries w/switch

    05-19-2013, 02:53 PM

    Pismo
    Cam specs? Heads?

    05-19-2013, 04:31 PM
    gcarter
    That may be a little high for a 454 running at the engine speeds we need.

    05-20-2013, 01:28 PM
    Donzi_Dude
    the first one to make 550HP with a 454 we will call "Hot Sauce".


    05-22-2013, 05:49 PM
    Pat McPherson

    Need to turn high rpm to make 550HP
    I know a couple of guys that have built marine 454s that dyno'd just over 500 @ 5600. Need to build a 454 to spin over 6000rpm or have a blower on top to get 550.

    05-23-2013, 05:08 AM
    Donzi_Dude
    i thinks it possible. you are just having to be "that guy" to do it.


    05-23-2013, 06:35 AM
    pipnit
    550 w a 454 is easy. Go buy some good heads.


    05-23-2013, 09:41 AM
    Ed Donnelly
    It might be hard to build one in the the back hills
    of Nirvana, but, in the big city with a good engine
    builder, its not that hard. Cam, compression, heads,
    and manifold.. Try it you'll like it ..Ed

    05-23-2013, 10:24 AM
    pipnit

    It's not hard at all to do, just takes a little coin and some smart thinking. I have a '76 2+3 with a big old honking TRS drive (re: inefficient) with a small block that runs 75mph on a gps on 87 octane. She runs like a top, no detonation, great response and a lot of fun!

    To the original poster, you might want to call Bob Madera at Marine Kinetics. He'll give you good advice and could design a 454 which will get you to 550hp easily.


    05-23-2013, 01:54 PM
    pipnit
    My point is 550 out of a 454 isn't that difficult. I have seen MANY 454's with that much power and a lot more. If you have the coin, have someone build it for you.


    my short list would be a callies, lightweight forged stroker crank
    some afr heads
    good exhaust
    victor intake
    pro systems carb

    if you can afford the stuff above, you can afford buying a cam and some advice from RMbuilder...

    05-23-2013, 03:20 PM
    MDonziM
    Greg, 550hp sounds a little optimistic for 9.6:1 compression. I have well built 454's in my magnum that are 550 to 575hp and that's with 4-5lbs of boost. Without the sc's probably around 450hp. 500 hp should be doable without loosing reliability but beyond that you are trying to 10 10ths out of a marine engine which is not for me. I would rather start with 502ci if 550 hp is your goal. - Marshall
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    So now Bill that you have owned the Team Warlock 23 for a few months, got the good Rev4 prop on it for testing achieving 76mph GPS, and had some seat time to sort all the details out ........... do you think that Keith's advertised claim of 550hp out of the 454 Carb'd motor is about accurate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    So that Keith's original ad copy can be seen, I copied and pasted from his advertisement.
    23' Warlock 454cid 525hp Dart big M cast iron block, 91/2 to 1 compression, Holly 830 carb, MSD ign system w/rev limiter & MSD distributor, Crane hydraulic roller Cam w/roller lifters & gold roller rockers, Manley S/S intake valves & Inconel exhaust valves, engine was built by Morgan's Racing engines - walnut creek ca, Imco aluminum exhaust manifolds w/ S/S risers, Cyclone S/S mufflers tips, K-plane trim tabs w/indicators, Imco hydraulic ram external steering, Gaffrig gauges, MerCruiser Bravo drive w/shower, dual batteries w/switch, Halon fire sys, Hardin S/S sea pump, 3-S/S 3 blade props 23"-24"-25", 260 hrs on hull 12hrs on engine, fresh water only, V&M trailer with New- S/S disc brakes & hubs & master cylinder & aluminum rims & tires & wood rails with carpet. 85mph @ sea level 80mph @ lake mead, orig owner and excellent cond.

    Greg,
    I know the engine runs perfect and sounds great! I copied the ad information which showed it as 525hp instead of 550hp. Beyond that, anything would be guessing. I'll have to check, but my memory is that it has a Holley Dominator carb instead of an 830 - not sure. I still love the boat by the way

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    The 23 Offshores may be the best boats ever built in that length. There is a gentleman who has one with a Zz502/ 500hp motor and he runs 83 mph on GPS consistently. And that is in freshwater.

    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    There is another gentleman with a 1990 23 Offshore. It has a stock Bravo drive which is a tad thicker than the 1989's and a stock 454 Carb which back then was rated for 330hp. Just did GPS work last weekend and clocked 66mph with a full tank of fuel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    I laid down 200 miles round trip yesterday deep up in to the Hudson River. Ended up in Kingston. The day was a perfect 10. While on my run I was trading notes with the owner of the countries fastest Team Warlock 23 Offshore. He has a 540 that evidently makes 680hp and has done 91-92mph on radar in freshwater, 90mph on demand. Friggin impressive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    The 23 Offshores may be the best boats ever built in that length. There is a gentleman who has one with a Zz502/ 500hp motor and he runs 83 mph on GPS consistently. And that is in freshwater.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Guimond View Post
    There is a gentleman with a 1990 23 Offshore. It has a stock Bravo drive which is a tad thicker than the 1989's and a stock 454 Carb which back then was rated for 330hp. Just did GPS work last weekend and clocked 66mph with a full tank of fuel.
    The GPS stats got me to thinkin. I know nothing about car motors but in the wacker world the consensus opinion for 22' single OB boats is that it takes 10 horsepower for each 1mph gained above 65mph.

    With the Team Warlock 23's you have .............

    330hp = 66mph
    500hp = 83mph
    680hp = 91mph (the fastest in the US)

    However all three of these speeds are in freshwater.
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    The owner of the 680hp (dyno) Team Warlock 23 sent me a note last weekend. He set his best ever radar speed of 92.6mph coming and going. Nice way to close out the 2014 boating season he said!
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Greg are you out there????..............clear out your messages I have something to ask you!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scippy View Post
    Greg are you out there????..............clear out your messages I have something to ask you!!
    Pete,
    I had to get on my old computer to get Greg's email address for you. Here is his last address that he used to write to me. greg.guimond1@gmail.com

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    Pete,
    I had to get on my old computer to get Greg's email address for you. Here is his last address that he used to write to me. greg.guimond1@gmail.com
    Thanks Bill........I'll give it a whirl!
    1983 Cigarette 35' Mistress
    1976 Magnum 27' Sport
    1986 Donzi 18' Classic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquistador_del_mar View Post
    Pete, I had to get on my old computer to get Greg's email address for you. Here is his last address that he used to write to me. greg.guimond1@gmail.com
    Quote Originally Posted by scippy View Post
    Thanks Bill........I'll give it a whirl!
    I guess this mean that in addition to being first in line to buy Bill's 23 when he's done with it that I also get a ride in Pete's should a new deal come together lol
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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