Antique Raceboat Discovery Identification Needed ?

[silverghost]

I was just sent this photo of this very cool Antique Raceboat from some friends who are trying to identify the boat's designer , builder, and possibly the exact raceboat itself.
I have requested some additional deailed information & photos.
So far~
This is ALL I know.
Stay Tuned~

At this point I do not know if it has any name painted on it's stern, any name ,or numbers stamped anywhere on it's mahogany hull, if it has any deck hardware, engine, or shaft, strut, rudder, or enigne. das instrument gauges ,etc.

This great Antique raceboat was found sleeping in a barn after 50+ years at long-term storage
.
I have requested some more & detailed specific photos to help us pin-down it' positive "ID".

To me~ It looks very much like a John Hacker & Co. design.

Can anyone here on the forum help us get a positive "ID" on this hull ?
What are your thoughts as to it's designer & builder ?

Any information & help greatly appreciated !
Thank's
BRAD~

[mphatc]

This does look like a Hacker design. There is a similar boat on Winnipesaukee, it has always neen on this lake to the best of my knowledge.

http://www.vintageraceboatshop.com/Scotty.htm

The full history is there. This boat is a multi stepped hull. I rode in Scotty when it belonged to Harvard Forden, and clearly recall the porpoising . . Possibly this boat that has just been found is older ?. . doesn't look to be a stepped hull.

Try to get some more pics! A very cool find!!


Mario L.

[silverghost]

My friend Jeff B. from the AACA forum said that a fellow named Al & his Dad discovered this boat some time ago in a Detroit, or Mass, area barn and have been tryng to identify it's builder & designer ever since.
The boat has a very small & tight driver's cockpit with a centrally located steering wheel, throttle & controls. There is said to be an additional tiny open cockpit behind the captain's cockpit just ahead of the stern transom.
The boat also has two very large metal trim tabs, or cavitation plates, with mechancal adjustment controls.

Note the bow has a very unusual deck "Mascott" above the bow's plated cutwater.

I understand this boat is NOT for sale.
More photos are said to be on the way to me~
Stay Tuned for an update~

[MOP]

I just mailed the photo to my buddy that restores the old woodies, he had one similar to that a few years back.

[kraftee]

Hmmmm. Looks an awful lot more like the Wilson family's "Miss Canada" Greavettes to me...

[mphatc]

No don't think so . . .

http://media.mmgcommunity.topscms.co...f5a631f1be.jpg

Mario L.

[Rob M]

It does have lines like Douglas Van Patten styled boats. Could be something obscure by Greavette.

[OFFSHORE GINGER]

After viewing a few books i have , the Greavette Streamliner really comes to mind but then again so does a Fitzgerald & Lee speedster , but i could very well be wrong................

[mphatc]

Is this set up for an outboard ?. . I see no forward engine hatches, and found other pics of the hull with center steering . . it's small, lots smaller than Scotty . .

Mario

[silverghost]

Mario~
I have been puzzled as to why we see no underwater running gear on this hull.
ie: rudder, shaft, strut prop, etc.
None of my questions have been answered to date.
I am still waiting on additional photos & info from Jeff B.

[silverghost]

Finally we have additional photos sent today by the boat's owner Al, via my AACA friend Jeff B.

The current theory among many mahogany speedboat collector/restorers seems to be 50/50 % that this hull may have originally been a straight inboard that sadly had it's aft third torpedo style stern chopped-off and a crude outboard style transom added much later; along with those giant trim tabs, or cavitation plates.

[silverghost]

First three photos ~

[silverghost]

Second Set of Photos~

[silverghost]

Final set of photos~~~

The Black & White vintage photo of the boat on a cradle on a marine railway is the famous raceboat "Scotty" which still exists today in original un-altered condition in a museum.
"Scotty" had a step-style bottom.
Both boats do seem to be of very similar designs.
Mario sent along this museum link above.

If you can picture this mystery hull without the aft third of it's transom & hull cut-off this MAY be what this mystery hull once looked like originally ?
The boat is now only between 14 and 15 feet long now.

Do you believe that the aft third of this hull was chopped-off in the later posssible outboard conversion ?
In my opinion this MAY be a real possibility ?

What is YOUR opinion ?

Al, the hull's current owner, says that the storage barn's owner claimed that this mystery boat once was said to have had some connection to the Dodge family & possibly famous millionaire boat-racer & playboy Horace Dodge Jr. son of one of the very famous Dodge Brothers of Dodge automobile fame.

[Ghost]

Definitely looks lopped off to me. Hope if a restoration happens, it goes back to the long, sloped tail. Cool lines.