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    Greg,
    Where did you get the picture of the blue 28' Warlock when you showed it in comparison to the red one? That is my boat from the OH numbers which I can barely see from the shadows in the gelcoat after I removed the KY numbers. In the picture you showed, the upholstery looks tan so someone must have totally changed out the upholstery which is why the white upholstery looks so good.
    Did you know the hull and deck are bolted together on these boats? I am getting more impressed with the build as I keep checking things out. Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Bill, I can't really remember where I found that photo but I did know it was your boat when I saw it, thus the post. My 23 is also bolted and tabbed together. One thing though is the floor should be ply so be sure to check that out as you progress through the "get to know ya" discovery phase. Would love to see a seated driver shot, your measurements are a little less sit down then I might have thought. Maybe the tilt helm would be a later add on although I think you will find the sit down aspect to be pretty comfortable overall. Does the HIN start with TPI ?
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
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    Yep, TPI28088B989 - I just got the title work yesterday. Herb had told me there was no title on the trailer on the phone, but it was also included in the paperwork. Funny you mentioned the tilt wheel - I was already thinking about that. The floor is rock solid in the one I just bought, but I have to wonder if it might have been replaced. Considering how perfect so many aspects of the boat seem to be, my guess is that it was always garaged and maintained perfectly. I can't thank you enough for pointing it out!! I really look forward to getting it out as soon as I can do a full maintenance and get a good day. I just thought it was bizarre that you had a picture of when it was an Ohio registered boat. Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    I am glad you grabbed it. These hulls are rapidly dissapearing and it is great to see it go to a good home and one that will improve it even more over time. Team Warlock and Tom Stolarz have somewhat of a storied past as I trust you will find out as you own it. Some of the guys on this board may know of him from "back in the day" before my time. I'm still trying to find out when Stolarz stopped making the 26 and 28 hulls and switched over to the slightly different 27 and 29 which were more modern boats. I want to say perhaps mid 90's but have not hammered that down yet. I'm still looking. Stolarz went on to run the steering shop WPM Marine for many years. As I was hunting for my 23 one day I was able to actually raise him on the phone in CA where he still lives and most likely is early 70's ish. I told him I had what I thought was the only OB 23 World Class that he ever built, blah, blah blah. There was a pause on the phone line where I thought he had hung up. Then, after a cackle or two he says "why the hell you so proud of that, I've had that OB 20 feet in the air bunches of times, can't believe it still floats!!" and then says he has to go and hangs up

    My 23 hung together for many years but this year I finally broke the transom going airborne on the Hudson one day searching for my youth or some such nonsense. I'll need to figure out the "next steps" so to speak but I digress
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
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    Ouch on the transom, but I am guessing you will replace it? It sounds like he is a little bit of a jerk from your conversation with him? Do you know if he made any Kevlar Warlocks? Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    I did not really take any offense to his comment. I figured I was probably about the 1000'th person who might have asked him a question from "back in the day" so he had to be pretty bored with the whole thing. I would call the response curmudgeonly On the Kevlar, that I can say I have never heard of TPI using. He did, however build several boats for race only use I do know that much. He loved building cats and built some rad ones back in the day like the attached SXT. I'm not sure if WPM still exists but they were kind of an early Latham. The man only built quality.
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    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Greg,
    I don't hear the word curmudgeonly very often, but I think you used it in the right context here - lol. I asked about Kevlar since some of the places where I can see the glass reminds me of my 1985 Kevlar 23' Eliminator. I can't quit taking looks at the Warlock - it is an absolute time capsule boat with some great improvements. I am really stoked about taking it out! That red cat is really different - awesome! Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Greg,
    If I had read the writeup you posted, I would have known that they used AME 4000 resin with bi and tri glass along with Divinycell in the sides. A well built boat for sure! Thanks, Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Is AME 4000 also known as "Kevlar" ? Is that considered more of an exotic material?

    Also here is a post that sheds some more light on the Team Warlock history. It revolves around the more prevalent SXT cats but applies to the World Class V hulls as well. The history was Team Warlock, then Ultimate Warlock, then Carter Reed bought it and changed it to Warlock Powerboats. Here it is.........vintage 2002.

    Cord,
    I sent you an e-mail but to answer some of these questions, Tom Stolarz(Hope I spelled that right) who is now WPM(Warlock Performance Marine) originally designed the 25 SXT in the mid-late 1980s, as Warlock Powerboats, he later sold the company and it went through a few owner/management groups before being purchased by Ultimate in December 1995, they bought the original molds and became Ultimate Warlock, then in late 99 or early 2000 they changed their name to Warlock Powerboats.There have been relatively minor changes to the hull bottoms, I know they added some rocker to some of the later hulls that were built for the Blackhawk drive and the transom notches may be a little different sized on some of the earlier hulls.
    The earlier hulls benefit from a higher x dimension, propeller technology has improved greatly in the last 10 years so adding a shortened drive helps them to go faster and handle better. I personally love the hull, it's not as fast as a Skater but is a very good boat for it's size, it is more comparable to a 25 Eliminator than it is to a Skater. By the way there are three different decks that were built for the 25, the standard deck, the race deck which had a narrower cockpit and a molded in section in front of the rear hatches and also a center console kind of utility deck. I'll sure that there are others that know much more than I do about these hulls but I will try to answer any other questions that you have.
    Caleb
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    I am not an expert in resins, but AME 4000 is a vinylester resin known to be both strong and water impervious. From my limited knowledge, vinylester resins will prevent blistering on the hull bottoms due to osmosis. Kevlar is a type of laminating material known for its strength and light weight compared to other glasses. The Warlocks are apparently very well built using the AME 4000 and the multi directional glasses. Maybe someone with more knowledge can shed more info here. I was seeing the really nice glass work in the engine compartment which is why I figured it was built with some good materials. Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    A very topical excerpt on AME 4000 versus regular resins.........................

    1989 was also the first year that Correct Craft used AME epoxy resin instead of polyester resin that all other boat companies were still using. AME 4000 was half the weight of polyester and is more than twice as strong. This is huge in being able to handle multi-directional stress. In the mid 80's Correct Craft had an issue with the floor delaminating from the sidewall right by the front motor mount on both sides. The reason for this is polyester resin does not expand and contract very well. When the engine heats up and cools down day after day the resin become brittle and weak and will seperate from the sidewall. This isn't a rampant problem but 84-86 were the worst years for this. Of course, these problems didn't show up until the late 1990's. It wasn't like in 1991 you had a floor delamination. If you ever get a boat like that the fix is pretty simple and not much money. The fact that the 1989 uses AME epoxy resin guarentees you won't have this problem with your boat. Any other questions please let me know. We love old boats - of course to us 1989 is not that old. We just had a 1965 Ski Nautique in for an oil change last week.

    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Another tidbit ............

    A few pages back a reference was made to AME 4000 and 5000 resin blends. Much has been made of resin types and promoted by boat builders as providing extra strength due to its use. Let me be perfectly clear, there is zero strength in the resin. The strength is in the glass. AME 4000 and 5000 resins are very good, but not because of their strength. They are a blended combo of polyester (normal boat resin) and vinyl ester resin. Vinyl ester tends to be more resistant to blistering, is more flexible, thus is not quite as prone to cracking, and in general cures more thourghly than a standard polyester resin over a given period of time. But boat "A" made with straight high grade polyester can be, and many times is, just as strong as boat "B" made with a vinyl ester blend. It depends upon the laminate schedule used. Again the strength is in the glass. And in any laminate schedule, the higher glass to resin content ratio, the better the product. Vinyl ester resins can produce a boat whose appearance is very good. But, that does not mean that a polyester based resin cannot be just as good in appearance. It depends upon the builder and the care they take in production much more than the type of resin used.
    1972 16 OB - C16B-63 - "Surface Tension" Resto Project
    1974 16 OB - DMR16106017-B - "The Mule"

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    Greg, Thanks for the AME 4000 info. I was just under the dash checking out something and was surprised by the beautiful glass work. Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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    Ok so the plot thickens. When is the last time that a "matching" little brother turned up Bill. Here is your boat, same gel coat colors, same 1989 year, and also looks lo be in excellent condition. It is the 23 footer. I think I'm seeing double Very cool

    23' TEAM WARLOCK
    Date: 2012-01-16
    Reply to: sale-hsvwx-2802642340@craigslist.org

    1989 23' Warlock, Mercruiser 454 330hp motor, Imco exhaust, MSD Ignition, aluminum intake, Dominator Carb, Bravo 1 drive, Mirage 3-blade Stainless Steel prop, Bennett dual ram trim tabs, Bennett offshore trim indicators, Autometer Carbon fiber gauges, matching bimini, Pacific tandem trailer with new tires, BEAUTIFUL boat!!! Current reg and tags on both. No dealers, brokers, low-ballers, Sacramento 916-677-6621
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    Mini-me? Cool looking 23'. Bill

    1971 Donzi 18' 2+3
    1985 Eliminator 23' Daytona Offshore - Kevlar hull
    1988 23' Donzi CC F-23 with 250HP EFI Mercury OB
    1989 28' Team Warlock Offshore - single 548CID/600HP
    1990 23' Warlock Offshore - single 525HP
    Bill from Denison, TX - Lake Texoma

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