!!! Help!!

[lolgranny]

Im looking for sound ratings on a 2000 Donzi Scorpion
Twin 377 engines
Stock Muffled Exhaust
4" outlets

Reason being, i live in IL on the river and the police have been harassing me. They gave me my 3rd ticket for how "loud" my stock boat is. Im going to court to fight this on Monday and need to find some factory readings or something to help me add to my list of evidence.

ANY help will work,
Thanks alot guys i appreciate it very much
David

[BUIZILLA]

unless they did a certified db test at ticket time, with specific go or no-go numbers, it's all rhetorical and opinionated what's ticketable or not....

[Dr. David Fleming]

Take a lawyer - this is about law not boats - My dad was an attorney as are my sons - dad's advice "if you want justice go by yourself - if you want a solution to your problem take a lawyer." For God sake do us all a favor and take a lawyer with a photo of your boat exhaust system showing it is the way it was built by the manufacturer - we have a right to use our products the way they were manufacutured without police enhansment/harrassment of of the issues.

This is called "grandfathering" - my 1966 Chrysler was built before seat belts - if a cop pulls me over I don't have to have the frickin seat belts because the car us usable the way it was built. This is also why if you ride in the front of a pickup truck you need a seat belt but if you ride in the bed you need nothing.

Go figure - with deference to any law inforcement readers, the law is an ass sometimes - just play the game.

[lolgranny]

Take a lawyer - this is about law not boats - My dad was an attorney as are my sons - dad's advice "if you want justice go by yourself - if you want a solution to your problem take a lawyer." For God sake do us all a favor and take a lawyer with a photo of your boat exhaust system showing it is the way it was built by the manufacturer - we have a right to use our products the way they were manufacutured without police enhansment/harrassment of of the issues.

This is called "grandfathering" - my 1966 Chrysler was built before seat belts - if a cop pulls me over I don't have to have the frickin seat belts because the car us usable the way it was built. This is also why if you ride in the front of a pickup truck you need a seat belt but if you ride in the bed you need nothing.

Go figure - with deference to any law inforcement readers, the law is an ass sometimes - just play the game.

Exactly, they are just harassing me. They took the reading right next to locks. 2 rotations went throught, meaning 8+ boats. There is a seawall on both sides and the test was not taken according to law. I have about 30 photos of my boat / where it was taken, but i was unsure if there was some factory decibel readings put out there.

[lolgranny]

unless they did a certified db test at ticket time, with specific go or no-go numbers, it's all rhetorical and opinionated what's ticketable or not....

They did the test, but not to law. They were supose to measure so far from the back of my boat and so much above the water. Take the test before and after so they are able to subtract sounds given off by locks...other boats ect... they didnt. Im going to fight it the best i can, so we will see what happens.

[mike o]

My 02 18c 377 (non scorp) was 92-93db at 5 ft, with straight pipes. Tested by a friend who inspect MO-MO-bikes, with his meter here in NH.

[lolgranny]

My 02 18c 377 (non scorp) was 92-93db at 5 ft, with straight pipes. Tested by a friend who inspect MO-MO-bikes, with his meter here in NH.

And thats the thing, my exhaust is stock. I have court Monday, ill see what happens. I wish there was a marina who was a certified tester around here. Ive went to everyone on the river and nothing, nor does anyone know someone who has one.

I have all my pictures and the law according to how they should be testing. Ill let you guys know what happens.

[mattyboy]

most states use the same standard to test, usually the number is from 88 to 93 db depending on the state.

you have to know your local laws, sometimes bodies of water within a state adopt stricter thresholds.

most things that are common in the laws

the tester has to be certified

the db meter and all testing equipment must be calibrated

the test must be given by the book and has to account for surroundings like dock piers other boats and has specific test procedures that must be followed

some boats are exempt like raceboats ( only in a sanctioned race) boats made prior to usually 1964, boats being tested by a bona fide mechanic, or a boat practicing for a sanctioned race on an approved charted course.

any bypass of a muffler system is illegal, to sell or mfg'r a boat with a bypass is illegal some states look at quick and quiet as a bypass



you have to know your laws, i would not use i bought it that way as a defense, or donzi made it that way either.

the only real defense you have is to negate the test results or the testing procedure or the tester. or come in under the number

this will get you off one time and usually the LEO will not make the same mistake again, the next time it will be by the book.


most if not all state laws have their loop holes you need to know them, I have NY state noise law pretty much committed to memory

I know when i can push it and when to slip in silencers

[mrfixxall]

And thats the thing, my exhaust is stock. I have court Monday, ill see what happens. I wish there was a marina who was a certified tester around here. Ive went to everyone on the river and nothing, nor does anyone know someone who has one.

I have all my pictures and the law according to how they should be testing. Ill let you guys know what happens.

i was pulled over by the mchenry's finest....they went to the point of measuring my exhaust of 116 db's then they tryed to write e up..then i pulled out the piece of paper that stated that my boat being a 1977 which they didnt believe was under the grand father clause that didnt need mufflers.. so i had to show proof that the boat was that old and they had to let me go they are real crooks..

[mattyboy]

Fixx,
that's exactly what I am talking about

77 in Ill. really in NY it is 64

[dsparis]

Another reason why I won't take my obnoxiously loud 18c to the chain. No restrictions on the Kankakee. Last year I took it to Delaven and Barney Fife stopped me while I was launching. I had'nt even started it yet.

[mike o]

http://www.nasbla.net/referenceguide...php?queryID=IL Says 90db in IL. 2db over and they write. If you have corsa cans you should be under I would think. NH is 86

[mrfixxall]

http://www.nasbla.net/referenceguide...php?queryID=IL Says 90db in IL. 2db over and they write. If you have corsa cans you should be under I would think. NH is 86

that was 2 yrs ago, i have the piece of paper in my boat stating the rules but they do change! im going to have to call then now..

[lolgranny]

i was pulled over by the mchenry's finest....they went to the point of measuring my exhaust of 116 db's then they tryed to write e up..then i pulled out the piece of paper that stated that my boat being a 1977 which they didnt believe was under the grand father clause that didnt need mufflers.. so i had to show proof that the boat was that old and they had to let me go they are real crooks..

HELL yes they are, sick how bad this state has become. Hopefully i can beat the system on this one. They measured me at 96, so 6 over, and you should see some of these boats on the river. INSANE loud.

[lolgranny]

http://www.nasbla.net/referenceguide...php?queryID=IL Says 90db in IL. 2db over and they write. If you have corsa cans you should be under I would think. NH is 86

Ya bud, i know its 90 just looking to see if there was a factory printout of what the Donzi would be rated at so i could just say to the judge "here ya go, proof of what it is and what it has been, good day!" only if it was that smooth