Have you ever found yourself purchasing a "magic" prop? Last year I had to buy this one as it had a "magical' history.
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Have you ever found yourself purchasing a "magic" prop? Last year I had to buy this one as it had a "magical' history.
Spill the beans why is it magic love those black magic voodoo stories
I kept looking at that prop, thinking, a prop with that history would need to end up on a unique boat. Something a bit different, with some history to it but with a look to the future. Kept looking at all the cool projects that you guys have developed over the many years wondering how I could maybe sneak in something unique. Hmmmmmmmm. It had to be a 16. Well maybe the prop was just magic to me, but it had been used by a gentleman who owned a 16 and broke the magical 80MPH on GPS with it. 80 in a 16 in "current" times seemed to be a pretty unique achievement.
magic props are only made left Handed :p
I'm sure there are several 16's in the U.S. that have enough motor to do 80mph easily, it ain't motor thats Lacking, It's Balz, obviously this generation of 16 owner has some common sense (not saying Ed didn't) but Motor isn't the problem. It's mostly setup. Some guys think they can just stick a hot 406 or what ever in a 16 and think "I'll be over 80 no problem" until they ride in it and reality sets in and their bung hole tightens up just going 65, and every 1 mph for the next 15 is scarier than hanging on to the shuttles rocket booster for a launch knowing you'll never come back. I had a 16 with a 408 and the motor never turned more than 4500rpm (capable of 6K) cause "I" (the total on the water Speed Freak) was too Scared. Setup IS Everything, and the Magic Prop Is part of that setup..
Now, Whats so special about this one???? Was it Geooooo's???
Last time I checked the only guy doing 80 in any 16 in 2010 on this board was Parnell aka Sweet Cheekz.
Back in 2006 an ad was posted on this board for another 16 that broke 80 back then. Here is the ad.
06-02-2006, 03:58 PM
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: miami
Posts: 85
Donzi-16' Baby Donzi Outboard
one of the original 200. 1974 owned since 85 and gone through several times. currently rigged with 96 200 evinrude.less than 100 hours on entire motor. not ported but the 3.0 has 2.7 heads and 225 carbs. bobs nosecone and torque tamer. multiple props for different running. 4 blade for violent hole shots and acceleration. 26 raker for fuel economy and 26 chopper for the rooster tail from heaven. 100% predictable on any pump gas. hydrolic steering. 32 gallon tank custom mounted. transom redone and psychotically reinforced. foot pedal. march wheel with CRT. hull modified with 7" pad meticulously grafted into place.custom bade B brackett. white with blue stripe,blue interior. almost prefect condition boat. tonneau cover and custom full cover. brand new $3500.00 south florida trailer custom fabricated with 18 poly rollers. boat is incredibly stable at all speeds. no chinewalk. 82mph benchracing on gps. (with me only, almost empty tank and a little tailwind) 76 every time with passenger and full tank. very unique and possibly the fastest and most stable baby in existance. pampered garaged covered doctors toy. 12,500.00 miami hardly ever come to this site so email me.
younger is in that neck of the woods too
but he HAS 2 MAGIC PROPS
Two, one, some, none ............
well bolt on the magic prop and show us some numbers ;)
That looks like Rootsy' prop.
Greg,
I understand the feeling, I have Geoo's old gold tall flame arrestor / air cleaner and it worked a little magic for me. :wink:
Best of Luck,
Wal
BlownCrewCab. It took me years and years of gradual changes to get to the speeds I reached.. This is why I respect Geo so much.. The twin turbos were the last change in my quest for maximum speed I made over 50 changes, some worked some didn't...............Ed
Now that I have a prop, I needed a boat so I decided to reach back to when I was just a....ahem, a touch younger and grab a 16 weedeater :yes:
I can see them heading for the exit :outtahere:
Notice in the second photo, under the rubrail it says Drakes Creek Marine. Can anyone offer any type of background on who might have owned the hull when it was kept at Drakes?
Why a wacker? Like most folks it has to do with past memory's and a general back to the future theme for the project :cool:
At this point it becomes clear that I neither have the time or the expertise to actually take the project forward, so I enlist the services of a master fabricator who shall remain nameless for the moment. Suffice to say that there will be a LOT of cooperation and communication to progress the concept. Should be a lot of fun. Not up to par with some of the incredible stuff done on this board but all of those provide a good dose of inspiration :wink:
But first ............off with its head !!
The donor's foil tag ..........16 Baby (Outboard) Hull #63 - 1972
This little sidebar foil ID session generated a spirited set of posts under the post title -Help Identify This Donzi Hull
In the Mid 70's Brownie bought us a 16' Manta, It's Basicly a 16 Donzi bottom with minute changes to the deck, we allways had a 90hp Merc 6cyl on it and it went mid 50's. when we got rid of it(around 1980) a guy bought it and put a 2.4 Merc on it, It was He!! on water, went high 70's and handled like a dream. the outboard versions aren't all bad, some are Very fun/tough/memorable boats....I could go on and tell stories about it (but Brownie may read this :) )
If "Brownie" is who I think it is CrewCab, that is pretty cool :yes:
I took some additional inspiration from this ad for what might have been the nicest 16 OB Baby ever restored. It is cruising somewhere in Canada now but has never been located again.
From: Frank
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:08 PM
To: Guimond, Greg
Subject: RE: Donzi 16 OB
You are right, but I wanted to keep it original. I sold it for 22K
30 gal. Fuel tank ( new ).Full canvas cover plus Cockpit cover.Ritchie compass. Sea Star HI PERF. Hydraulic Steering with hi-performance Hydraulic hoses by Mayfair Products. Bennett trim tabs system. Accon recessed bow light and popup cleats. Windline removable transom ladder. Bluewater electrical switches. Marine upholstery by Miami Prestige July 2002. Glass work and Awlgrip paint job by A-1 Fiberglas works July 2002. Burl wood Instrument panel by Ultra Panels. Matching steering wheel. All electrical cables replaced with Ancor copper conductors tinned marine grade 105-C (UL) July 2002. All fasteners were replaced with Phillips Stainless Steel 18-8 grade fasteners in July 2002. Sea volt deep cycle AGM battery and Gil battery box. T-H Pro HI-JACKER Jack Plate. Full U.S.C.G. Safety package.
TRAILER
2002 Continental trailers, customized features , Aluminum with S/S Hardware.
ENGINE
135 H.P. Mercury Optimax (new) including Mercury Marine extended warranty totaling 5 years to the buyer. SmartCraft system instrumentation--- 23" PITCH Laser II propeller
PERFORMANCE
Top End : 5500 RPM. Speed 54 MPH.
Cruising : 4000 RPM. Speed 40 MPH.
Fuel Consumption: WOT. 9.6 GPH---AT 4000 RPM. (cruising) 4.4 GPH.
Price ----------------------------- $ 19,500.00
FOR INFORMATION CONTACT: FRANK MEDINA
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Greg, you should remove the windshield, for less wind resestince ! We should get together some day and compare boats. HIGH LIFE
Thanks Walt for the kind words but any part from GEOO is not just magic but mythical!
High Life, that windshield is long gone but the windshield was a factory option as shown in the photo below-
Hull restoration begins. Ground and reinforced strakes, reinforced bottom with slight alteration :wink: New transom installed with 1 1/2"" Coosa and 1/2" XL marine plywood from Greenwood Industries.
In go new stringers and bulkheads ..........and the hulls sides get strengtheners glassed in. We also added a little something extra in the keel :thumbsup:
As the project progresses, I start to think about overall balance and cg so for kicks we throw a sling under the bare hull to see what the cg on the hull alone is. Also, given the heavier motors that are the norm today versus 38 years ago I get some photos from fellow board members of a Baby or three at rest with modern power. Here is board member RPD's at rest in pic #2 and then an unknown OB hull in pic #3.
And here is Andy D's that he swapped out OMC V4 power for big Mercury 225X power. He has the stock gas tank location up front and the weight of a jackplate which I think is another 40lbs.
Andy generated a lot of discussion under the post titled - Donzi 16 OB Horsepower Questions -check it out.
Here is the start of the reinforcement of the new transom, single knee and lateral first. Later we will add two additional stringer knees. I also want to modify the splashwell so we do an overlay of the deck to eyeball the possible options for later in the build.
We turn back to the hull bottom. All of these decisions become a compromise in one way or another but giving serious thought to blueprinting the stock bottom. Here it is stock ...........
I think more and more the 16 bottom was worked on and modified sometime along the way even before the stop in production
those inner strakes look much longer then the ones on my 16.
I have a list of questions including that one for Walt Walters when he comes to the dustoff. He was the key designer of the 16 and most of Don's early boats.
might not be a bad idea for you to get up to the dustoff Greg
you can clearly see the difference in the strakes here they end way more than 22 inches from the transom.
Greg what year is that 16 you last posted on the straps and what hull number?
have you confirmed your inner strakes are the same measurement? the air born one looks more like the pic i posted
I didn't measure mine, but you can see they end almost 4' before the transom.
Bill ,
same as mine, same as the brochure boat I would be interested in sweet cheeks that is the latest production skisporter I know of being a 79.
I would also be interested in the measurement on a baby 16. The one pic Greg posted the air shot looks like it is from the guy in the Caribean who has a mid 1980's donzi 16 outboard NOT! but I can't confirm that is the boat in the pic.
I have noticed that when Donzi "stretched" a design they lengthened the inner strakes to about 2 feet from the transom
18 and 22 from the 16
hornet II and III from the hornet
another question for Mr Walters
ok the last pic Greg posted the air shot is the 1987 donzi 16 outboards discussed in length on scream and fly (Greek mafia) it is not a donzi 16 outboard of any kind as it has no well, and donzi made no 16 footers at all during the 80's
so we should leave it's bottom out of this
http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/dis...bumId=21515965
mattboy, Just went out and measured mine, 1976 #151. Strake ends 21" from transom. Michael "HIGH LIFE"
so now we need a 76 ski sporter owner to measure their inner strakes, it is very well possible they used a different bottom on the OB Baby or it could be possible that they reworked the bottoms of all the 16s sometime in the mid 70's
the tape will tell
for the record mine and bill's 16s are 1967 hull 409 and 410 the red 16 I pictured is the 69-70 brochure boat
Thanks
My boat is in Grand Haven so when I get back out there in a day or two I will measure mine. I never flipped my boat during the remodel The bottom was the only thing that didn't really need anything
Parnell
Matty,
You are correct, the 3rd photo is Greek Mafia's converted I/O 16. I posted it because it was a cool shot :shades: that happened to show strake patterns with some resolution. The photos below are of my project hull. Like HIGH LIFE the inner strakes are 21" from the boats transom.
So, you're creating a pad bottom?
I believe Ed had a pad on his 100+ mph 16. Should be very interesting.
Thanks, Just Say N20. I have a plan, but I also have "The Scientist" running some calcs. Here is what he wanted off the transom amongst many other math facts to run through the abacus :boggled:
"The Scientist" has a lot of expertise in this area and he also wanted some running shots of the 16 OB Baby so we send him these to consider. At this point I should say that I have lifted a lot of content for this build, and can seldom remember who should be credited. Sorry for that in advance.
We are trying to get a feel for angle of attack given various wacker weights and fuel tank locations.These two pics both have stock gas tank locations, the first is a newer 150 motor and the second is an older 140 motor but obviously with a passenger. Then the third is actually an I/O that was converted with a bracket and a V6.
It will be interesting to see what "The Scientist" comes up with.
I half considered lengthening the inner lifting strakes on my boat, but then I remembered, I have the Magic BigGrizz prop that I haven't even run yet, and it was supposed to make the boat run really well.
So I decided to leave it alone.
Then I lay over some dimensions.....as you can see I am no axelkloehn! More like a big kid with a Crayola!! Andy D and his wife allow for a concept overlay to be drawn.