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Mr.offshore
03-13-2014, 08:03 AM
Hi,

I'm new to this forum and I'm from sweden so please be aware that my spelling is far from perfect ;)

I just bought my first donzi, an -98 22 classic with the stainless windshield frame. Now I'm a big fan of the new style windshield without the frame and was wondering if they would pretty much look the same if I removed the top stainless frame from my old windshield, painted the frame black and mounted some new fresh acrylic windshields.Would this be possible?

This is how my Windshield looks: http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/22274
(http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/22274)this is the look that I'm after: http://www.donzimarine.com/Boats/Classic_22.html

Thanks guys!

Greg Guimond
03-13-2014, 08:34 AM
Welcome to the board! You might want to also consider powder coating it.

gcarter
03-13-2014, 10:41 AM
Yes, powdercoating works well.
Here's a couple of shots of my '88 22C Testa Rossa.
I powdercoated almost all my deck equipment including the rail.
This is a very shiny platinum color called "Crushed Silver". It's pretty impressive in the sun shine.


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78998&d=1394721698


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78997&d=1394721661

Carl C
03-13-2014, 12:34 PM
The aluminum fairing is another option. My boat came from the factory with it but you can buy them through Donzi Direct. Clamp on wind deflectors work well on them also for the cooler days.

Welcome to Donziland. :)

Mr.offshore
03-13-2014, 04:27 PM
thanks for the answer guys!Maybe I did'nt make myself clear enough :)

My plan is to remove only the upper bit of the frame, the long piece that is connected to the hull (a foot further back then the rest of the windshield) To make it look like the new type of windshield that doesnt have this piece at all.

this is the piece i'm thinking of removing:

http://i62.tinypic.com/35lx5dg.jpg

So my question is: is the other parts, angels and bends the same as on the new type windshield? has anyone tried this before?

cheers!

yeller
03-13-2014, 04:52 PM
Your windshield will be thinner than the new ones and may not be stable without the frame. The frameless windshields are much thicker. Yours is probably about 9mm and the newer ones will be at least 12mm.

A lot of people want what you have. Advertise here and on donzi.org to swap with someone that has the newer style.

I'd do you a straight swap in a heartbeat, but my windshield isn't in the best shape.

Greg Guimond
03-13-2014, 05:16 PM
100% agree with yeller, it will be a mistake to remove the frame support as you would be inviting a problem. I might do it in steps, powdercoat it first and use it that way for a season. Then make a next decision. Powder coat is not expensive. If you are running in freshwater than just about any powder coat shop can do the work. If you are running in salt you will want to research the shop to ensure they have the best bonding technology and have done salt with a good track record. Good luck.

RickSE
03-14-2014, 11:21 AM
Heck, if you really want the newer style windshield I'd probably sell your current windshield, complete and buy a new style one. I bet you'd be money ahead in the end. The older style stainless windshields haven't been available for a while and you should be able to get a fair amount of money for it.

Otherwise, yes don't take the top frame members off and expect to have a stout windshield. The plexi in the factory stainless windshields was typically 3/16" think and not very strong on its own. The newer frameless windshields were 3/8" thick.

gcarter
03-14-2014, 01:03 PM
Something else to consider is the windshield mounting screws down the side of the cockpit are not through bolted through the glass (at least mine weren't, and the underside isn't accessible). Obviously, the side pieces aren't very strong, regardless of thickness. While my deck was off, I through bolted the frame. I guess that makes mine non-serviceable but stronger.

Mr.offshore
03-14-2014, 02:22 PM
thanks for all the great advices!

Yes, sell the frame and buy a new style one would definetly be the best solution. the problem is that I live in sweden and there are not many 22C owners around here. Shipping the windshield would probably be possible, but probably a pain in the ass.

anyhow, if someone on here is interested in swapping windshield, or know anyone who is= let me know!


and just for curiosity, is it only the thickness fo the windshield thats different from the new style windshield? is the "curves, bends and size" the same as the new style?

thanks again guys!

gcarter
03-14-2014, 08:32 PM
Also, your picture of the newer windshield shows front corner pieces similar to your existing corners.
If you're really interested in proceeding, disassemble your windshield, use the existing plastic pieces for templates for thicker replacements.
Cut the front corner pieces down in height to eliminate the extra height that exists where the corner tops are inserted into the upper frame corner pieces. The inside studs on the front corner pieces may not be long enough to go through both the new thicker plastic pieces and the inner corner pieces. You might even consider having a sheet metal shop fabricate some new front corner pieces so the original corner pieces are still available.
The same sheet metal or fabrication shop can re-create the new lower side, bottom reinforcement stainless pieces, ditto for the front lower reinforcement.
The really hard part will be through bolting the side pieces through the cockpit sides.
Good luck!

gcarter
03-14-2014, 08:52 PM
I wish you well.
Here's a link to my own efforts at windshield building:

http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?68654-New-Windshield&highlight=

Moody Blu'
03-15-2014, 12:20 AM
not sure youve seen this style, seems pretty rare. maybe this is more favorable? built in wind deflectors

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/beerock69/me%20pics/boat/WP_20130818_002_zpsc340db1a.jpg (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/beerock69/media/me%20pics/boat/WP_20130818_002_zpsc340db1a.jpg.html)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/beerock69/me%20pics/boat/WP_20130819_001_zpsadcd2350.jpg (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/beerock69/media/me%20pics/boat/WP_20130819_001_zpsadcd2350.jpg.html)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/beerock69/me%20pics/boat/WP_20130819_008_zps32006042.jpg (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/beerock69/media/me%20pics/boat/WP_20130819_008_zps32006042.jpg.html)

Greg Guimond
03-15-2014, 12:30 AM
Some one had that built from scratch with the built in high windscreens

gcarter
03-15-2014, 06:53 AM
Some one had that built from scratch with the built in high windscreens

Nope, actually it was the standard mid '80's 22C windshield. The hard/expensive part of that windshield was the turn around the front corners. It suffered from the same problems the Minx windshield did, a high rejection rate from the fabricator.
Bud Staples told me they only accepted about six out of ten windshields as the rest didn't fit.

Moody Blu'
03-15-2014, 12:45 PM
I thought about vinyl wrapping it, the windshield is in pretty good shape mop stopped a lot of cracks, it has some signs of sun age but its still in decent shape.

yeller
03-15-2014, 02:45 PM
The plexi in the factory stainless windshields was typically 3/16" think and not very strong on its own. The newer frameless windshields were 3/8" thick.

Rick, the newer ones are actually thicker than that. They are 1/2"

Mr.offshore: Not sure if you can make a deal, being in Sweden, but Inferno is looking for your style windshield. It could allow you the $$ towards the new style.
http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?69718-SS-Old-Style-Windshield

Mr.offshore
03-16-2014, 07:13 AM
I wish you well.
Here's a link to my own efforts at windshield building:

http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?68654-New-Windshield&highlight=

your windshield looks really good! I like what you've done with it! I understand the problem with the access for the bolt-thru nuts, maybe u can use ordinary skrews and bond it with some extra sikaflex (glue) alongside the lower parts of the windshield direct to deck.


yours dashboard is the exact same version I would like my boat to have. did you buy it direct from donzidirect together with the livorsi gauges? are you running full hydraulic steering aswell?


Thanks for that information yeller, I will contact Inferno and maybe we can make a deal somehow!

gcarter
03-16-2014, 07:46 AM
your windshield looks really good! I like what you've done with it! I understand the problem with the access for the bolt-thru nuts, maybe u can use ordinary screws and bond it with some extra sikaflex (glue) alongside the lower parts of the windshield direct to deck.


yours dashboard is the exact same version I would like my boat to have. did you buy it direct from donzidirect together with the livorsi gauges? are you running full hydraulic steering as well?

Thank you for your kind words. By the way, your English is very good.
I think some of the side screws would be accessible, especially the front two or three. Your boat has a "firewall" behind the seat in the engine compartment. A 4"-6" (100-150mm) hole could be sawed through the firewall in each upper corner. I think you'd find you could reach one or two of the rear screws through these holes. The large holes can be filled using some covers with removable "bungs", of the type that are common on boats.
My dash was a custom fabrication built to my sketches by the supplier for Donzidirect.
Josh was extremely helpful in getting the dash made and it wouldn't have been possible with out his help. The gauges were a collection of new and old that I bought over some time on the internet.
If you find you can't easily find a replacement windshield, I personally wouldn't hesitate to build my own. There's nothing magic about it. The hardest part is the front corner pieces. If you can find a good local fabricator that doesn't mind working with stainless, it's not too hard. The inner corner pieces could be used as is. The outer corner pieces would have to be "developed" due to the thicker windshield material. The front lower edge would be longer at the lower front edge in order to cover the gap of the lower edge of the 13mm plastic material. I'd also fabricate a stainless strip to cover the gap at the lower edge of the front section of windshield. I think that would be easier than trying to bevel the inner lower edge of the plastic to give a good finish.

Mr.offshore
03-16-2014, 09:37 AM
Thanks, I'm working offshore on the norweigan oilrigs in the north sea. My crewmembers are from different parts of the world so english is usually the spoken language here. As i'm only 22 years old I'm very happy to get two weeks of free english lessions while offshore, followed by 4 weeks paid leave where I can go home and polish my boat all day long.

I used to work as a mechanic for a swedish boatbuilding factory: http://www.rupertmarine.com/sv/ruptech.asp where we made some kickass tenderboats, some of them with all the electronics and engine data were controlled on an ipad via maretron BUS WiFi systems. Pretty nice to sit in your sofa at home and switch your bilgepump on/off or check how much fuel is in your tank or batteries.

I get your idea with the drilled hole in the firewall. If you weld a 1.5m long pipe to a spanner you might get acces to all of them that way, using only a flashligt and alot of patience.

Do you have any idea of where I can find Livorsi at the best price? And also, i would like to get the same Pop-up "rope-holders" as you have. what are they called and where can you buy them?

cheers!

gcarter
03-16-2014, 10:17 AM
The pop-up cleats are made by Accon Marine http://www.acconmarine.com/ .
You can buy direct, or shop on-line for better pricing. The cleats on my boat are 6" long.
As far as Livorsi products go, maybe someone can comment where to get the best current pricing.
Ebay.com is a good place to look for new/used pricing. I suppose sometimes it may be hard to get someone to commit to shipping out of the US.
We've had a number of members come to the US on vacation and buy a lot of supplies while here.

yeller
03-16-2014, 05:03 PM
And also, i would like to get the same Pop-up "rope-holders" as you have. what are they called and where can you buy them?

cheers!Have no idea what they cost, but these guys make the coolest looking cleats:

http://www.seasmart.it/en/catalogo/prodotti+standard/1/1/index.aspx

Ghost
03-16-2014, 05:36 PM
I have 4 Attwood 6-inch pop up cleats, new in the box, but I imagine by the time you deal with the shipping it wouldn't make sense. (Even at $40 apiece, when they retail for $88.)

Mr.offshore
03-17-2014, 11:19 AM
Have no idea what they cost, but these guys make the coolest looking cleats:

http://www.seasmart.it/en/catalogo/prodotti+standard/1/1/index.aspx

wow! I've sent them an message for pricing information, but I'm sure they wont be cheap :)


Ghost: Will you send me some pictures of the cleats to v_917@hotmail.com or a link where i can see them. it might be interesting! where are you located

I've got friends who visit the US every now and then!

cheers,

viktor

Ghost
03-17-2014, 12:24 PM
http://www.gearup2go.com/default/neat-cleat-6-by-attwood-03271668.html?gclid=CK6uwbT9mb0CFUtk7Aodu3UAzQ


I'm in Maryland, near Washington DC in the USA.

Mike

boatnut
04-11-2014, 01:15 PM
Nope, actually it was the standard mid '80's 22C windshield.

Hi Guys, as you know the first 22's did not have a windshield (I had one that I should have kept), Dick Clark ran Sierra Boat in Lake Tahoe, CA and was a Donzi dealer at the time -- he went back to the Chisolms who owned Donzi at the time and talked them into putting a windshield on so he could sell the boats on mile high Lake Tahoe --- this was the result, I saw the first one in Sierra's showroom. Personally I like the stainless frame on my '97 better than the other alternatives.

Ed

joseph m. hahnl
04-11-2014, 09:26 PM
:) I say
79293

Drive the boat:biggrin.:

joseph m. hahnl
04-25-2014, 08:33 PM
Hi,

I'm new to this forum and I'm from sweden so please be aware that my spelling is far from perfect ;)

I just bought my first donzi, an -98 22 classic with the stainless windshield frame. Now I'm a big fan of the new style windshield without the frame and was wondering if they would pretty much look the same if I removed the top stainless frame from my old windshield, painted the frame black and mounted some new fresh acrylic windshields.Would this be possible?

This is how my Windshield looks: http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/22274
(http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/22274)this is the look that I'm after: http://www.donzimarine.com/Boats/Classic_22.html

Thanks guys!
just stumbled on to this, they make a few different years for the 22:biggrin.:http://www.updplastics.com/donzi%20boat%20windshields.htm

Mr.offshore
12-01-2014, 05:06 AM
thanks for all the answers!

here's what i came up with at last, after 6 months restoration:

Carl C
12-01-2014, 06:58 AM
You got the full frame windshield! It looks great. Why are the exhaust tips so close together? What engine and drive do you have? I'd like to know more about the restoration.

gcarter
12-01-2014, 09:11 PM
Well done Victor!
The boat looks great! I'm sure it really stands out in your neighborhood!

yeller
12-02-2014, 01:23 AM
Have no idea what they cost, but these guys make the coolest looking cleats:

http://www.seasmart.it/en/catalogo/prodotti+standard/1/1/index.aspx


wow! I've sent them an message for pricing information, but I'm sure they wont be cheap :)

cheers,

viktor
Nice looking boat Viktor! Did you ever get a price on the Seasmart product? Curious to know.