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Pat McPherson
09-14-2013, 11:15 AM
I finally fixed my speedo and broke out the GPS to compare.
Running solo with less than 1/2 tank she hit 73.6 on the GPS and showed about 72 on the speedo at 4800rpm. This was running up river with the wind in a light chop; the tide was slack.
I made a second pass running down river and saw 71.8 GPS and 71 on the speedo at the same 4800. My previous top speed recorded was just shy of 72 with 2 people on board and low on fuel.
My speedo reacts slowly so there may still be a small blockage in the drive/pito.
The boat is vary sensitive to trim with the 3 blade Mirage non-plus. Too much and she slows down; not enough and she feels like she's dragging. I plan to buy a Merc Rev 4 at some point knowing the whole boat lifts much more and performs better at all speeds except WOT.
I also plan to pull the mufflers soon now that summer is just about over. I believe there is another 100rpm to be had.

Greg Guimond
09-14-2013, 11:19 AM
Are you going to run the Rev4 this year? Should be interesting.

Conquistador_del_mar
09-14-2013, 12:53 PM
I will also be watching to see how the Rev 4 performs. I would be trying one on my Warlock, but the Rev 4 does not come in any pitch above 25. I will be trying a Turbo Fusion 4 27P on the Warlock and I will report how it performs.

Carl C
09-14-2013, 01:10 PM
Shouldn't the RPMs be over 5,000?

Pat McPherson
09-14-2013, 03:12 PM
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Shouldn't the RPMs be over 5,000? The previous owner, Dave at MDG Performance said my tach is about 200rpm off; I think 4800 is truly about 5000.
My engine is a stock 502 with 750 carb; 5000 is about max HP. I think a 25p prop is the correct size. When I tested a rev 4 earlier in the season it was about 1.5mph slower at WOT but 5mph faster between 2200 and 4000rpm...

Pat McPherson
09-14-2013, 03:16 PM
Are you going to run the Rev4 this year? Should be interesting.
The wife has me going by a rule of not buying more stuff unless I sell something off. We don't have a garage and our basement is full of boating and skiing stuff. As soon as I sell either my spare dive parts or extra heads, I'll buy another prop to play with...

joseph m. hahnl
09-15-2013, 07:49 AM
Shouldn't the RPMs be over 5,000? Is that your 525 HP recommended WOT ? You usually set WOT to up to 750 Rpm lower than the torque to HP transition of 5250 Rpm.

I like the slip I get out of the Mirage 21 and I like the way it carries the hull. The Phenix 400 is at 5400 I want to pull down with a 25P . I would like to stick with The Mirage. I,m curious though, how the ventilated Plus props work and would work. Couldn't any Mirage become a plus by adding the side holes:rolleyes:

Pismo
09-15-2013, 08:18 AM
MPlus has more cup.

Pat McPherson
09-15-2013, 08:25 AM
I like the slip I get out of the Mirage 21 and I like the way it carries the hull. The Phenix 400 is at 5400 I want to pull down with a 25P . I would like to stick with The Mirage. I,m curious though, how the ventilated Plus props work and would work. Couldn't any Mirage become a plus by adding the side holes:rolleyes:

I owned an 87 20' Minx years ago. I recall she topped out at about 60 loaded up and 63 running light powered by the original 270HP 350mag spinning up to 4600rpm. The prop that was on the boat was a 23p Mirage and it worked well.
I swapped out the cam for a 300HP tempest and gained about 200rpm good for another 2-3mph. I had also installed nose cone on the Alpha drive so that probably helped too.
I think a Mirage plus has more cupping than the non plus...
I think those 502cube 525EFI engines can spin near 5400; rev limit 5350?

Carl C
09-15-2013, 10:35 AM
[QUOTE=joseph m. hahnl;643796]Is that your 525 HP recommended WOT ? You usually set WOT to up to 750 Rpm lower than the torque to HP transition of 5250 Rpm.

I like the slip I get out of the Mirage 21 and I like the way it carries the hull. The Phenix 400 is at 5400 I want to pull down with a 25P . I would like to stick with The Mirage. I,m curious though, how the ventilated Plus props work and would work. Couldn't any Mirage become a plus by adding the side holes:rolleyes:[/QUOTE/]

Recommended top RPM is 5,250 but the limiter doesn't come in til 5,400. I was told to run it close to 5,400 because that is where peak power comes in so I have it set up to bump the rev limiter when running in perfect conditions. The original 496 was supposed to run just over 5g and I'd think the 502 should also but the lazy tach explains it!

Pat McPherson
09-19-2013, 02:31 PM
I will also be watching to see how the Rev 4 performs. I would be trying one on my Warlock, but the Rev 4 does not come in any pitch above 25. I will be trying a Turbo Fusion 4 27P on the Warlock and I will report how it performs.

Did you test any props?

I've got a 25p Rev 4 and 25p Fusion 4 headed my direction. I'll be testing next week and the prop that performs better will likely be staying on the boat for the remainder of the year...

Greg Guimond
09-19-2013, 06:14 PM
That will be a VERY interesting side by side comparison. I'm looking forward to some details from you when it happens. Let us know..........:thumbsup:

Conquistador_del_mar
09-19-2013, 06:24 PM
Did you test any props?

I've got a 25p Rev 4 and 25p Fusion 4 headed my direction. I'll be testing next week and the prop that performs better will likely be staying on the boat for the remainder of the year...

I haven't had a chance to try the other props yet, but I will report how they do after I run them. I will also be watching to see your results with the Rev 4 vs the Fusion 4.

Pat McPherson
09-26-2013, 09:32 PM
3 people, 1/4 tank, small cooler, extra prop on board, mid 60s, just a ripple on the CT river...

25P Turbo Fusion 4:

27.9mph @ 2100rpm
47.8mph @ 3200rpm
56.4mph @ 3700rpm
67.9mph @ WOT-4500rpm

25P Merc Revolution 4:

28.3mph @ 2200rpm
45.3mph @ 3200rpm
55.7mph @ 3700rpm
71.4mph @ WOT-4800rpm

The boat was vary loose with trim running the F4; did not go much past 1/2 way to the max.

The boat had lots of lift, ran rock solid, and you could trim to the moon running the Rev 4. I will buy this prop.

Greg Guimond
09-26-2013, 10:22 PM
Great data and a very interesting conclusion. PM me if you are looking to sell the F4. Hard to argue with the Rev 4.

Pat McPherson
09-26-2013, 10:44 PM
Great data and a very interesting conclusion. PM me if you are looking to sell the F4. Hard to argue with the Rev 4.
I paid $45 plus $39 shipping to test the props with the agreement I'd buy 1 of the 2. The Turbo F4 will be going back to BBlades. I think he gets like $430 for a F4.

Conquistador_del_mar
09-27-2013, 01:11 AM
Pat,
I can't say I'm surprised with your results using the Rev 4 - I loved it on my 25' Martini with nothing negative to say about it. I tried a Fusion 4 27P on my Warlock without good results - too small a diameter for the 28' boat I concluded. If anyone needs one, I will sell it for the $170 I paid for it (set up for 1" Bravo shaft and like new condition). http://www.ebay.com/itm/Boat-Propeller-Turbo-Fusion-4-27-Pitch-/161103389414?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=psGmXFvBH0GiPs%252F1rKfPp%252B%252BhPe4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_39wt_1170

Greg Guimond
09-27-2013, 06:43 AM
Bill, I will take the Turbo Fusion 4 if you still have it for $170 and I'll pay the ride. Let me know what it has for vent holes and plugs. Thanks!

Pat McPherson
09-27-2013, 09:08 AM
I'll tell you the Rev 4 is the best box stock prop I've run on these old school streight V hulls with deep drives. I tested on my old 24' Super and it was great, just needed more pitch than 25p as the engine was on the rev limiter. A bud of mine ran it on a 24' Pantera with 600HP up to 5800 and 80+mph. Merc should make 27 and 29 pitch Rev 4s, not sure why they don't.

As for the Turbo F4, it just didn't work well on my boat above 60 when I trimmed up. The boat got squirly and I didn't mess with it much knowing the Rev 4 was so good. I'll say that a Turbo 1 3 blade is a better prop on my boat and about equal to my stock Mirage.

Conquistador_del_mar
09-27-2013, 12:20 PM
Bill, I will take the Turbo Fusion 4 if you still have it for $170 and I'll pay the ride. Let me know what it has for vent holes and plugs. Thanks!

Greg, Just email me at Dgill25960@aol.com and we can talk about the Fusion and get it to you.


I'll tell you the Rev 4 is the best box stock prop I've run on these old school streight V hulls with deep drives. I tested on my old 24' Super and it was great, just needed more pitch than 25p as the engine was on the rev limiter. A bud of mine ran it on a 24' Pantera with 600HP up to 5800 and 80+mph. Merc should make 27 and 29 pitch Rev 4s, not sure why they don't.

As for the Turbo F4, it just didn't work well on my boat above 60 when I trimmed up. The boat got squirly and I didn't mess with it much knowing the Rev 4 was so good. I'll say that a Turbo 1 3 blade is a better prop on my boat and about equal to my stock Mirage.

Pat,
I have been hoping more Donzi guys would try the Rev 4. I also liked every aspect about it on my old Martini - super in every catagory. I think it was a comment that Brett at BBlades made about it that convinced me to try one early last year.

Greg Guimond
09-27-2013, 06:01 PM
I'll tell you the Rev 4 is the best box stock prop I've run on these old school streight V hulls with deep drives. I tested on my old 24' Super and it was great, just needed more pitch than 25p as the engine was on the rev limiter. A bud of mine ran it on a 24' Pantera with 600HP up to 5800 and 80+mph. Merc should make 27 and 29 pitch Rev 4s, not sure why they don't. As for the Turbo F4, it just didn't work well on my boat above 60 when I trimmed up. The boat got squirly and I didn't mess with it much knowing the Rev 4 was so good. I'll say that a Turbo 1 3 blade is a better prop on my boat and about equal to my stock Mirage.

Nice when you get a great match. I think the Fusion 4's are really designed for a higher X dimension. In fact I am now thinking they might be toward a surfacing application. I wonder who else is running a Rev 4 on a 22 Classic?

Bill, I sent you an email. Thanks

Greg Guimond
09-28-2013, 03:34 PM
Ran across this on the Fusion 4 ..........

Pat McPherson
09-30-2013, 11:32 AM
I wonder who else is running a Rev 4 on a 22 Classic?


It may not be as fast as a labbed 3 blade but the boat handles great. I ran her again yesterday and I'm kicking myself for being too cheap and not buying one sooner.
What to do with my 25p Mirage? Anyone want to buy/try it?

Greg Guimond
10-01-2013, 08:10 PM
I mangled a Fusion 4 when I took out my lower unit. I picked it up to throw it in the car and man that thing weighs! Threw it on the scale and it was 17lbs. That seemed heavy compared to the Rev 4.

Pat McPherson
10-03-2013, 11:15 AM
Merc Mirage (non-plus) 25P RH old style pressed in hub

Lab it for top speed runs ? - I've used BBlades in the past but they are expensive. Other good prop shops?

Leave it on the self as a spare ?

Sell it ? - It was recon'd to original, not worth more than $150-$200.

Opinions?