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mattyboy
12-05-2012, 06:38 AM
With question posed in HM's recent benchseat thread I figured it would be a good time to database the hornet models and try to determine the total number each, benchseat and 2+3 models made out of the 96 total. If anyone has any valid info to add please do and I will not be including the names of owners at this point due to the nature of these models i don't want to invade the owner's privacy with prospector's digging for gold. hopefully we will be able to track down most of them , it might be different from the other models that have been databased as this model started in the begining and record keeping was not a priority. I have other boats but don't have hull numbers not sure how to list them.
please if any hornet owners( not hornetII or III) or others have more valid info add it or contact me .

Hull Number

23 BS vdrive

30 BS vdrive

31 BS vdrive

34 BS i/o

36 BS i/o

38 BS i/o

40 BS vdrive

41 BS vdrive

52 2+3 vdrive

59 BS vdrive

62 2+3 i/o

67 2+3 jet

88 2+3 vdrive

93 2+3 i/o

Rob M
12-05-2012, 06:59 AM
Awesome project, thanks for starting this. Perhaps adding a column for year would be informative too.

To clarify, St. Tropez models were not counted in the 19' hull number count correct?

Will forward any other hull numbers I come across.

Rob

mattyboy
12-05-2012, 07:30 AM
Rob
yes to clarify the St T is another model although their share the same hull and not in the 96 total . the Hornet model to the best of my knowledge was never officially called a benchseat or 2+3 it was just called the Hornet and the total of 96 includes mine benchseat at 38 and yours 2+3 at 93 . when they went to the hornetII the LOA changed and is considered another model.

72Hornet
12-05-2012, 05:37 PM
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Got to thinking and I believe my hull is actually #C19H62. Out in Ohio for work and could not remember for certain. I think you have it accounted for.

mattyboy
12-05-2012, 05:40 PM
Royce
yeah i thought it was 62

mario
12-05-2012, 05:52 PM
Matty thanks for the info and the copy off build sheet via paul on the two i had being hull # 31 and 32 how cool was it to know the boats were made back to back and to know what eng,s they had org. how many bs were build in 1967 ? hope to start work on the red one soon and old yeller has a new home so glade to see it getting worked on

72Hornet
12-05-2012, 06:52 PM
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Hats off to all of you guys, both Scotts, Matty, Mario and all who have shared the info on the Hornet models. Pretty cool stuff! Mario, hope to see your progress as well as Berts! Can the windshield be reproduced?

mattyboy
12-06-2012, 05:12 AM
looks like possibly very late 69 might be the first 2+3 but will confirm

Morgan's Cloud
12-06-2012, 06:06 AM
Matty , don't forget the Bench Seat that made it over here in the very early 90's

I think that there's a refence on it here a long time ago by the new owner who had just got it and was restoring it. It's been about 10 years since it went underground. I think I need to try and dig it up and meet the guy and see what he's up to with it.

It was number 39 if I'm not mistaken and had the original 289 Holman Moody with what was either a 250 or 270 outdrive.

mattyboy
12-06-2012, 06:22 AM
Steve

yes i didn't forget just don't know how to categorize as of now, no confirmed hull number, don't want to list owners name? there are other benchseats like that too. early boats raised deck vents probably no numbers ever found . I think as we fill this database the primary reason would be to find the ratio first then try to enumerate the entire production list. The later might be tough as some boats are long gone and never had hull numbers to begin with. Then throw the rumor that hull production numbers were said to be inflated for the sale to Teleflex and we will probably never get an exact number, but the journey sure is fun.

how about just tropical benchseat?

Morgan's Cloud
12-06-2012, 06:45 AM
No , this one did have a number .The new guy (not my friend who bought it in) found it under the dash and posted it when he was just about to start his resto.
I'm positive that it was 39.
But I don't have a clue who he is and only a rough idea of where he is located.

I checked the member's lists for him and posts but all I could go by was that he might have had a user name that began with our location out here. There are a few of them that answer that description but I couldn't find him so he might have a different user name than I'm thinking of.

Maybe one day in the not too distant future I'll go 'exploring' at the other end of the island !

mattyboy
12-06-2012, 06:50 AM
Steve

yes thanks I think that info is confirmed now I was searching today and found his posts he posted info that is consistant with hull 39 list updated to reflect this info


List Updated 12-6-12

Hull Number

23 BS vdrive

30 BS vdrive

31 BS vdrive

34 BS i/o

36 BS i/o

38 BS i/o

39 BS i/o

40 BS vdrive

41 BS vdrive

52 2+3 vdrive

59 BS vdrive

62 2+3 i/o

67 2+3 jet

88 2+3 vdrive

93 2+3 i/o

Morgan's Cloud
12-06-2012, 06:59 AM
Matty , can you pm me the link to his posts or give me his user name ? It might help me track him down later and see what he's been up to .

mattyboy
12-14-2012, 09:19 AM
some more info it looks like the bench seat deck mold was changed to eliminate the raised deck vents in 1967 with hull 32 or 33 there was also almost a 6 month layoff in hornet production at that time as well

bertsboat
12-20-2012, 09:30 PM
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If this really is number 31 then it has the raised vents. We also found markings that indicate H12.74152

mattyboy
12-21-2012, 08:25 AM
Bert,
welcome to your first Donzi restoration, with your cigarette it was cut and dry it had a HIN stamped on the transom ,you knew exactly what is was and when and where it was born.

with early Donzis it is not always so. You need to gather facts as sometimes numbers are never found.
I was contacted by Aaron who had some questions about those numbers, what hull number it really was and the build differences he noticed in this hull and Mario's other hull number 30 .

Aaron said the hull color scheme and the drive train match the info on the build card for hull 31.

he noticed that the stringers were thicker on hull 30 Mario's red boat than on this boat so he thought it might be an earlier build. I told him it could be that the red boat had worked done over it's liftime or it could be that hull was a fully cored hull. They fully cored the hull on the higher powered boats, in the sales brochures this was referred to as "high impact fiberglass". So a fully cored hull would give the appearance of thicker construction. Not all benchseat hornets were cored , mine is not, Pearson's which was a turbo v drive is cored .

then onto those numbers I have never seen an S in any of the hornet numbers plus the 19 is missing from it. Also this was found laying under the cut out ski locker so who knows what it is or when it got there.

now onto the color scheme yellow and blue is a very uncommon color combo , the early hornets were all green . so in order for this to be hull 12 it would have to be the same colors as hull 31 and would have had to have the drive train from hull 31 donated to it. That is highly unlikely as the v drive is very stout and not prone to failure

Also according to your post #21 in this thread

http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?68163-Baby-has-a-big-brother!-Hornet-on-it-s-way-home-!&p=633574#post633574

""""Stringers OK


Stringers and deck core (foam) good and strong. Deck will stay on. Will be a V drive again.
Lives next to another V drive. """


that construction method ( foam) would not have been used on an early hornet like hull 12 . that method was seen in 67 and later.

he also stated that the v drives hardware looks to be installed in different spots. looks like different length shafts were used. I have noticed that too , not sure if it has to do with what vdrive , tranny or power plant it was using or not, but after I gather this database maybe we will find out. the v drive setup on Harbormaster's boat is different from Pearson's and even Pearson's two v drives hardware look to be slightly different .

I am going to send him a couple of pics I have of v drive setups to see if that helps him.

BOT

yes we know that hull 34 has no raised vents we know hull 30 and 31 do have raised vents so the change happened on hull 32 or 33 as I stated early in this thread.

Hull 33 was also the first I/O boat powered by a Holman Moody 225 hp ford 289

mattyboy
12-29-2012, 06:06 AM
updated 12-29-12 to reflect hull 46



Hull Number

23 BS vdrive

30 BS vdrive

31 BS vdrive

34 BS i/o

36 BS i/o

38 BS i/o

39 BS i/o

40 BS vdrive

41 BS vdrive

46 BS v drive

52 2+3 vdrive

59 BS vdrive

62 2+3 i/o

67 2+3 jet

88 2+3 vdrive

93 2+3 i/o

mattyboy
03-25-2013, 08:04 PM
updated 3/25/13 to reflect hull 50

Hull Number

23 BS vdrive

30 BS vdrive

31 BS vdrive

34 BS i/o

36 BS i/o

38 BS i/o

39 BS i/o

40 BS vdrive

41 BS vdrive


46 BS v-drive


50 2+3 i/o

52 2+3 vdrive

59 BS vdrive

62 2+3 i/o

67 2+3 jet

88 2+3 vdrive

93 2+3 i/o

mattyboy
05-07-2014, 07:41 AM
updated 5/7/2014 to reflect new benchseat found number 47

Hull Number

23 BS vdrive

30 BS vdrive

31 BS vdrive

34 BS i/o

36 BS i/o

38 BS i/o

39 BS i/o

40 BS vdrive

41 BS vdrive


46 BS v-drive

47 BS v-drive

50 2+3 i/o

52 2+3 vdrive

59 BS vdrive

62 2+3 i/o

67 2+3 jet

88 2+3 vdrive

93 2+3 i/o

jl1962
05-07-2014, 02:57 PM
Matty-Where did you find this one?

mattyboy
05-07-2014, 03:04 PM
someone emailed the club he sent me some info he had and we found it in the records,

I am working on another boat for another person who contacted the club with a 1965 21foot benchseat race boat registered as a donzi but is not a production Donzi may have been one of Don's projects more to come on that one

Greg Guimond
05-07-2014, 03:30 PM
I am working on another boat for another person who contacted the club with a 1965 21foot benchseat race boat registered as a donzi but is not a production Donzi may have been one of Don's projects more to come on that one

I never knew that Don A might have done "non production" Donzi's in early 1965.

jl1962
05-07-2014, 03:47 PM
Great!

I'm glad people w/ cool old boats are finding the Club.

Morgan's Cloud
05-07-2014, 04:20 PM
Matty , am I correct in assuming that '47' is the guy who made one post on OSO and is not in the US ?
Unfortunately he's said nothing else there since his initial post/question.

mattyboy
05-07-2014, 06:58 PM
Greg

Brownie said that Harry Schoell made a 21 footer for Don around 1965 don't think it is in anyway a Donzi could be a magnum donzi or just a one off prototype that never found a family

MC yes someone recommended he contact Me I got an email thru the club then I saw the post on OSO yes in europe looks to be hull 47 1969 waiting confirmation but from the info he gave it is Ivory soap . Also helping him with resto questions and motor and parts questions. he has a ton of questions will be sending him detailed info on the sting and ultimate projects

Jay yes it is an encouraging sign I have gotten a ton of emails with people buying and restoring older classics especially in todays dead economy

mattyboy
05-03-2015, 06:15 AM
update in doing some more research on the 19 it looks like between May of 68 and Feb of 69 is the time frame where the deck mold was reworked for the introduction of the Hornet 2+3. The dash well was reworked on the benchseat . the lip of the dash on the older benchseats sweeps around the side and into the seat base, on the newer benchseats that lip sweeps towards the floor as it does on the Hornet 2+3 and H2 and H3
look at the pics in the area of the shifter on the white boat(newer) and the passenger grail rail on the orange boat(older) . Now I have to research to find the demarcation point.

the list as of May 3 '15

Hull Number

23 BS vdrive

30 BS vdrive

31 BS vdrive

34 BS i/o

36 BS i/o

38 BS i/o

39 BS i/o

40 BS vdrive

41 BS vdrive


46 BS v-drive

47 BS v-drive

50 2+3 i/o

52 2+3 vdrive

59 BS vdrive

62 2+3 i/o

67 2+3 jet

88 2+3 vdrive

93 2+3 i/o

bertsboat
05-03-2015, 09:59 AM
Just my observation, but, I think the seat bucket was added in the early deck and the seat became part of the deck mold in the later boats.
What do you think Matty?
Bert

mattyboy
05-03-2015, 12:28 PM
I think they wanted standardization , they did not want to have different components for different options on the same model.

so when the fuel capacity on the hornet dropped from 60 to 45 and they were making both the benchseat and the 2+3. the 2+3 required a different locker it could not be the 10 foot long one the original benchseat had but a shorter version needed cause the helm was closer to the front . so they made one locker for both and where the deck and the locker met they needed to be redesigned so I would bet that if you find a late model benchseat like the white one I pictured it has a short 2+3 floor locker.

one tank, one floor locker, one hull two decks/

the key is the floor in the early boats the floor is part of the locker not the deck. the reason the dash lip goes to the floor on the newer boats is the floor is part of the deck mold not the locker on the newer boats.

Scott Pearson
05-03-2015, 06:25 PM
I still have a mint plug for a Bench Seat locker if anyone needs to make a new one. We needed to make one for The Ultimate. It's sitting in my shed and I would be willing to sell it. Or just bolt a small outboard on it and use it as a dingy!

mattyboy
05-04-2015, 06:11 AM
Scott
I was looking for the pic of the 2 lockers side by side when the Sting was resto'd I can't find it do you have it?

so unlike the 16 and 18 where the floor is part of the deck the 19 had the floor in the foot well locker component, I would think when they went to the classic 2+3 style seating having the floor in a separate component didn't work hence the rework

mattyboy
05-05-2015, 07:00 AM
found the pic so the locker is placed in the hull and then the deck is placed over the floor , the floor lockers in the benchseat run port to starboard not bow to stern

basically the locker just needs a 9hp johnrude

Scott Pearson
05-05-2015, 06:05 PM
The one to the left is the new one we made for The Ultimate.

Scott Pearson
05-05-2015, 06:10 PM
New locker just sitting in hull and not attached.

Scott Pearson
05-05-2015, 06:12 PM
Shot of lockers with me standing by them. You can see how tall they are.

olredalert
05-06-2015, 09:19 AM
----Lotus would look cool in orange pearl! Just sayin!......Bill S

Ghost
05-06-2015, 08:32 PM
Great collection of toys. Pic is asking for a urinal joke though. :)

mattyboy
05-16-2015, 10:25 AM
The first edition of documenting the production changes on the Hornet.

info on this model and all of the Donzi classic models can be found on our website

Donzi Classic Models (http://www.lgdonziclassic.com/pages/Modals.asp)

Production Changes on the 19 Hornet (http://www.lgdonziclassic.com/pdfs/19changes.pdf)


well all except the Lotus ;)

mario
05-16-2015, 03:32 PM
nice job matty

mattyboy
05-16-2015, 06:39 PM
Thanks Mario

still need to find a few "missing links" to fill in some blanks