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Conquistador_del_mar
02-11-2012, 08:41 PM
Well, now I really stepped over the edge. I guess I looked at too many of these so I finally did the deed. He is also sending two 1300HP Huber trannies along with racing engine mounts that bolt in between the stringers. This one will be receiving the engines out of my 36' along with a III speedmaster drive that I have in stock so I will be selling the 36' without power for very little in the near future. Another project! :bonk: Bill

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifieds/cigarette_hull_no_power-o42475-en.html

cguth
02-11-2012, 09:37 PM
you are my hero. if i still had the dually i would let you use it to go get it.

scippy
02-11-2012, 09:42 PM
Bill,

That is such a great looking boat!...........I've not seen one so nice before..........Congratulations!

MDonziM
02-12-2012, 12:00 AM
Wow, Bill, I can't even keep up with your fleet list. That gun looks really great, I love the simple paint scheme. Can't wait to see the motors go in.

Congrats!

- Marshall

Conquistador_del_mar
02-12-2012, 01:05 AM
Thanks guys for not calling me nuts - lol. Actually thank you for the votes of approval. It seemed like a good way to make a fairly nice boat out of what I had. The relatively clean Kevlar hull, external steering, III speedmaster drives, and fairly new triple axle aluminum trailer were just too much bait for my boating weakness. I think it will work out well, but it will be a while before I can tackle the work. Onwards, Bill

PS The man who is selling it bought it for the 1100HP engines that were in it for his other Cigarette so this deal is working out for both of us.

Ghost
02-12-2012, 02:07 AM
Holy smokes, congrats!

ITTLFLI
02-12-2012, 11:36 AM
I am fairly certain that boat came from the Cincinnati area. The guy lived in northern Kentucky. If I remember correctly it was called "Bounty Hunter." He had it on craigslist for a while.

The last time I remember seeing it out on the river was back in 2001-2ish.... Cool boat. I think my cousins husband did the interior in it a long time ago....

Nice find!:yes:

olredalert
02-12-2012, 11:49 AM
-----Nice going, Bill!!!!! For once a Cig with good looking graphics. I get so tired of all the crazy stuff. And, you are correct, it seems like that boat was calling out to you. It doesnt look like it needs anything you dont have. Careful towing it as it will have a bunch of tongue weight without the motors.......Bill S

Conquistador_del_mar
02-12-2012, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the Bounty Hunter history. It is a US Coast Guard documented boat with the present name of Fox Hunter. It sounds like a simple thing to get it registered in my name, and I will probably register a different name to keep the peace with Deanna - lol.
Bill, that is a good point about the tongue weight. I will probably be trying U-ship again since I don't like pulling these long and heavy boats any farther than around here. My 1996 GMC 1 ton dually only has the gas 454 Vortec when I think a diesel is really needed. Thanks, Bill

Sweet Cheekz
02-12-2012, 02:16 PM
Cool boat Bill
Congrats

Parnell

Buddyc
02-12-2012, 07:26 PM
Real sharp looking boat! Top Guns are my favorite. Best of luck!

Conquistador_del_mar
02-12-2012, 08:27 PM
Mike,
Thanks for the shipping and seat tips. At this point, I will be waiting to get the green light from the seller who is also going to throw on a better set of ST tires and bolt the parts in the engine compartment for shipment. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
02-14-2012, 09:18 PM
Cguth,
I just now realized who you are - Clayton. Did you ever get the Aero going? Thanks for offering the dually - even if you don't have it anymore - lol. The seller just wrote today that he deposited my check so it will be coming down fairly soon. He has been a great guy to deal with - a real straight shooter. Bill

Donzi Vol
02-14-2012, 10:07 PM
I'm never surprised anymore...haha. Congrats, Bill. Have fun!

RockyS18
02-15-2012, 01:46 PM
Nice boat! What kind of power are you putting into it?

Conquistador_del_mar
02-15-2012, 02:00 PM
Thanks, TN Vol - neither am I - lol
The engines are 540s making 630HP - I might use the Stellings headers that are on them now or possibly a set of SS Gils or some IMCO Power Plus depending on the fit. I have 3 sets to choose from. Bill

superhatz
02-22-2012, 11:51 PM
Bill.......

Conquistador_del_mar
02-23-2012, 01:25 PM
I talked to Vern, and the boat and parts are ready to go as soon as I line up the shipping. He sent the US Coast Guard documentation via USPS yesterday. He spent the weekend waxing the boat and getting the trannies palletized and the engine mounts installed, and the boat is in a building at this point. Here are a few shots he sent. Bill

olredalert
02-23-2012, 06:32 PM
----Hey Bill,,,,I guessing that the name wont fly at home!......Bill S

Conquistador_del_mar
02-23-2012, 07:00 PM
----Hey Bill,,,,I guessing that the name wont fly at home!......Bill S

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Maybe if I change the r to d, Deanna would understand that I meant I found her - ;) I look forward to seeing it soon. Bill

scippy
02-23-2012, 08:55 PM
Bill it seems your purchases always result in a good transaction for both buyer & seller.........you have the knack!

Jraysray
02-23-2012, 09:04 PM
Mounting something to be shipped expected, detailing the boat including waxing it prior to being shipped, PRICELESS. That's a boat you want to buy.

Conquistador_del_mar
02-24-2012, 12:58 AM
Thanks Scippy and Scott. Yes, it is so much more pleasant to have a good transaction between each other. Vern and I have had a few good conversations and could easily be friends if we lived near each other. As I said earlier in the thread, he is a straight shooter - a 20 year policeman I recently found out. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
02-24-2012, 01:12 AM
bill,,,also keep in mind if you use the rear race mount you need to shave off 1/4'' off the bell housings..speaking of bell housings are you getting the ssm ones?

ssm stuff is a whole lot differant that the trs stuff..does your trs stuff have the oil coolers built in the bell housings?

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Mike, I am a little lost here. As far as I know, the engines and velvet drives should bolt right into place without modifications. If the Cigarette had been fitted with Merctrans, it would be different. By memory, I think my tranny coolers are near the water intakes, but my engine oil coolers are the largest I have ever seen and mount to the engine compartment bulkhead. My biggest concern will be the exhausts. I guess I will find out soon enough how things fit. Bill

smidgen too
02-24-2012, 03:13 AM
Bill if you got the bell housing that came with the Cig you will be OK. If you need to buy a new BW bell housing just as Mike said you will need to take a 1/4" off the face of the bell housing that mounts to the engine block. The reason is the rear engine mount is 1/4" thick.
Mark

Conquistador_del_mar
02-24-2012, 01:40 PM
Mike and Mark,
Now I understand what you are talking about. Quite honestly, I don't know how the 36' is rigged at the rear mounts without looking again so I don't know if my bell housings are already cut back. Is the easiest way to remove and install the engines to lift out the entire engine packages with the trannies and mounts attached or start with just the engines? It has been a long time since I removed an engine that had a tranny. Any advice would be helpful. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
03-31-2012, 03:01 PM
The seller (Vern) has been really great by letting me leave the boat at his building in Des Moines, Iowa until I made storage arrangements. Just this week I had a 60' stall open up so I put it on Uship for bids last night. It looks like $1200 might be the bid I use to get it here by the 4th. The guy (Michael) has a Ford F450 so tongue weight and the 200lb pallet with the Huber trannies won't be a problem. I thought the bid was very reasonable for the 625 mile trip especially considering the size of load. Less than $2/mile. I will probably work out a deal with Derebery Performance boats to do the grunt work of changing out the engines and I will take over from there. Just a quick update. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
04-05-2012, 07:01 PM
It showed up this afternoon so I took a few pictures - some with my 1971 Donzi 18' for comparison in size. :yes: Bill

mphatc
04-05-2012, 09:44 PM
Cool pics Bill!

What really struck me is the straight on side image . .

It shows how the basic design never changed, it just grew bigger . .the Donzi is just under 1/2 as high and half as long . . Maybe all Cigarettes are really just a big Donzi, Maybe a Cigarette was never a new design . . . .:eek::wink:

Bill,

see my post in Performance for two engines . . . 512 Whipple SC engines

Mario L.

MDonziM
04-05-2012, 10:16 PM
Congrats Bill , the extra 20' makes a cool comparison.

scippy
04-06-2012, 12:53 AM
Bill, I think you brought home a real winner with the cigarette.......you've put the (classic) pieces together my friend.

Conquistador_del_mar
04-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Thanks guys,
It will take me a while to learn the features in the boat and get it running again. I took my wife out last night to see it for the first time as a surprise since I had not told her about buying it. We were both impressed with the cabin layout and the overall condition and features it has. The incredible wiring would even make George Carter take notice - lol. As soon as I can take care of some other projects, I will be getting on this one. Bill

MDonziM
04-06-2012, 07:07 PM
Bill,

Nice looking pair of 598ci/750 hp low hr motors on OSO swap shop that might fill out that compartment well...

- Marshall

Conquistador_del_mar
04-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Thanks Mario and Marshall. My gameplan is to transplant the 540s from the 36' Cigarette and sell the 36 without engines. The 36 ran 70MPH with the 540s that make 630HP each and I am hoping for 75MPH in the 38 Top Gun since it weighs less being Kevlar and the beam is less. Onwards, Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
04-07-2012, 12:18 PM
I have to admit that I am a little intimidated by the wiring in the Cigarette since the previous owner did not mark the wires in the engine compartment when he pulled the engines. I also will have a little trouble with the hydraulic hosing for the full external dual ram steering, but I believe all the pieces will come together when I start the work. These pictures are the wiring in the head which is forward from the driver's console. I was shocked at the amount and quality of wiring! Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
04-07-2012, 02:12 PM
Last night I was studying the boat and saw the dual fuel tanks are mounted side by side just ahead of the engine bulkhead and are 119 gallons each. I was a little surprised that there is no plumbing for which tank to be using. Each tank is run to each engine separately with really nice quality and size fuel filters and huge fuel lines with screw on hose fittings. There are in-line brass water filters, 4 Gil battery holders, a 40 amp Guest battery charger from shore power, red racing engine mounts, and TRS drive fluid glass sight levels built into the transom assemblies (something I have not seen before). I am very impressed with the engine compartment and the hatch lift ram makes access easy. I had to run battery power to some jumper wires to the hatch lift which the previous owner ran through the transom until some batteries are installed. Overall, I am more impressed with the boat than what I thought I would be getting when I bought it. One of the pictures shows one of the two bi-directional fans built into the cabin bulkhead - cool idea! Bill

scippy
04-07-2012, 06:31 PM
Bill,

What is the beam & weight difference between the 36' & 38' ?...... ..That's a sizable speed gain wth those 540's over the 36'
Wonder what the 38' did when she was once paired with those 1100hp engines?.......All the accessories look great on the 38'
I'd like to have first crack when you tire of her!!..............been looking seriouisly for a family offshore.

Conquistador_del_mar
04-07-2012, 07:49 PM
Pete,
It is only my guess from both the previous owners that the 38' weighs about 2000lbs less than the 36'. I might be dreaming about the speed increase, but I really think 5MPH is being conservative. Yes, you would be welcome to it when I decide to sell it, but I hope to enjoy it for a while. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
11-17-2012, 02:09 PM
This week I bought a 35' Cigarette with twin 572s from a great guy in Illinois. When I get the boat here I will be using the engines in the Top Gun after going through them. This will be a great winter project for me. ;) Bill

scippy
11-17-2012, 07:25 PM
Bill are the 540's staying in the 36' now that you have the 572's?.......I saw your post on OSO.....nice acquisition!

Conquistador_del_mar
11-17-2012, 08:07 PM
Hi Scippy,
I am not sure about what will end up happening. The boat I just bought was originally made for Jerry Jacoby (racing fame and Hawk engines). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Jacoby It deserves to be back out in circulation. One day at a time. Onwards, Bill

Ghost
11-17-2012, 08:18 PM
Congrats Bill, that's awesome!!

Conquistador_del_mar
11-18-2012, 02:06 PM
Thanks. I'm excited to see the boat and get on the project. After looking at quite a few engines, I felt this was too good a deal to pass up. Not only do I get the engines with exhausts, but the trannies, tailstocks, good SSMIII drives (unfortunately with the short shafts - the early ones), props, K-planes, etc. It won't cost much more to get the boat towed here than 2 engines palletized and shipped would have cost. The boat was built in 1979 for Jerry Jacoby and has relatively high X dimension mounted drives. It has some interesting exhausts built by Gaffrig (only about 30 sets ever made). True ss headers. It even has the air actuated silencer tips. Here is one of the only engine pictures I have. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
12-18-2012, 03:37 PM
A month later and the Cig is on its way. The hauler just called me to let me know he should be here tomorrow with it if the trailer makes it and he does not get "red flagged". In hind sight, I would have had it hauled on a large flatbed trailer (Cig, trailer, and all). :crossfing: Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
12-19-2012, 08:07 PM
The guy making the haul was a machine! Even with all the hassles he showed up from Chicago area to my town in north Texas in about 22 hours. He got here at about noon today. Uship worked well again - less than $1000! Pictures later. Bill

dsparis
12-19-2012, 08:12 PM
Did Fixxall hook you up with the cig ?

duckhunter
12-19-2012, 08:19 PM
I need to show this thread to my wife - she complains about the two small boats and a canoe in the duckhunter navy... My buddy found a clean 18 down in Jax for $10k yesterday and she punched me on the shoulder for even talking about it.

The Top Gun looks immaculate and well-rigged. Going to be a head turner down there on Texoma. Looking forward to the updates as you get the refurb rolling. Good luck!

Conquistador_del_mar
12-20-2012, 02:26 AM
Yep, Mike (Fixall) wrote me an email about it knowing that I could use some engines and said he used to see it running. He did not know the Cig was originally built for Jacoby, but he did know about the engine builder building NASCAR engines. I just hope the engines work out as I hope. The boat and trailer are rough and I have yet to see the engines since the hatch won't open until I charge the batteries.

Thanks Duckhunter. Quite honestly, there are quite a few Cigs and larger boats here so I don't know about it turning any heads but in my own world - lol. Onwards. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
12-31-2012, 01:41 AM
For better or worse, here are the 572s which obviously need some serious cleanup before installation in the Top Gun. Check out the Gaffrig exhaust headers which bolt together with a center section - only a few of these were ever made, but they are supposed to be bulletproof. They are stamped S1, S2, P1, and P2 for their locations (starboard 1, etc). A few other shots of the boat, too. Bill

Conquistador_del_mar
01-04-2013, 02:51 AM
I got both the engines to turn over this afternoon after having sat for around 7 years so I felt much better about them. I have a man coming over tomorrow to discuss doing the transplants - onwards.

duckhunter
01-04-2013, 12:25 PM
A labor of love... Hope everything checks out ok with the BBCs and you can do a quick turn and get them strapped into the Top Gun. Headers are definitely killer looking and will look great with a little (ok, a lot of) elbow grease.

What's going on with those mufflers? Are there any baffles, or does the diverter butterfly just direct the exhaust out the bottom?

Again, very cool project. Glad to see someone out there rescuing these old boats and keeping up with their history. When I have the space, the time, and the disposable income I would love to do the same kind of thing. Just a little smaller scale, because you have a ton of irons in the fire!

Conquistador_del_mar
01-04-2013, 12:52 PM
You called it right - the Gaffrig air actuated silencers flip the diverter which forces the exhaust down a rectangular opening on the bottom of the tips. I will probably use some other exhausts in the Top Gun, but I will have a better idea after getting the engines installed. Yep, a few projects going right now.

Conquistador_del_mar
01-04-2013, 01:02 PM
I forgot to mention that the 1979 Mistress that was supposedly built for Jerry Jacoby has an aluminum engine cover and aluminum fairing in front of the cockpit on the deck.

Conquistador_del_mar
01-25-2013, 12:58 AM
I got an investment boat motor transplant finished this afternoon - new long block installed and running in a 2001 Crownline deckboat. I started pulling the Gaffrig ss air actuated silencer tips off the Gaffrig headers on the 35 Mistress so it will be ready for the 572 engines to be pulled next week - pictures and progress will be coming. Onwards, Bill

scippy
01-25-2013, 09:24 PM
Bill looking foward to all the pictures!.....From what you've discoverd so far, Jacoby's '79 mistress (when built) probably had a nice
optional list when built, not your typical 35' cigarette. You mentioned also it in rough shape now. hope it finds a a good home and
gets some TLC.
My brother worked as a mechanic in Elmont, N.Y. in the 60's & 70's and remembers the first little tranny shop that Jerry Jacoby started
up.......very interesting life!

Conquistador_del_mar
01-26-2013, 03:48 AM
Thanks Pete and yes, I will post pictures and progress. If I remember correctly, Jacoby got his start in the tranny business. I do hope the boat will eventually be restored - I might even have the gelcoat restored before I sell it so it could more easily show signs of hope. I just got back from our local casino (I rarely go) with enough winnings to get the ball rolling - :wink:

Conquistador_del_mar
02-27-2013, 06:41 PM
Gabriel fired the first engine this morning after performing the oil change and rebuilding the Holley Dominator carburetor. It fired right off after sitting for 8 years and ran flawlessly with 65lbs of oil pressure. We will be firing the second engine tomorrow followed by cleaning up the engines and adding quite a few new parts before installing them in the Top Gun. There is a link to the engine running. Sounds awesome in person -I could feel the rumble in my chest at idle. Onwards, Bill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqbS-sVe7k&feature=youtu.be

Conquistador_del_mar
02-27-2013, 11:17 PM
I got a call a couple hours ago that the second engine also fired right up. :wink:

scippy
02-27-2013, 11:52 PM
Bill,
That's some welcoming news on both engines!........Glad everything is breaking your way
Lovely & thundering sound to here those 572'S chirp... How do you plan to dress them up?

Conquistador_del_mar
02-28-2013, 01:36 AM
Hi Pete,
Yep, it was great news to find that the engines made it through the 8 year down time with little to no detectable damage. We will run a couple more tests before our final conclusions. I already ordered some new old school tall aluminum finned valve covers. I will have them and the intakes powder coated with translucent red after they are blasted clean. The blocks will be repainted and some peripheral parts will also be painted or replaced along with the entire ignition system - most likely MSD 6M systems with new MSD billet distributors , spark plugs and plug wires and coils. They will get matching ss breathers, new hoses and new marine fuel pumps, regulators. ss fuel hosing with AN fittings and fuel logs. The starters, alternators, and water pumps will be rebuilt. They also need oil temp senders since the Top Gun has the gauges. I think $1500 per engine will get the work done. The big expense might be the exhausts if I don't already have some that will work. Positive signs were shown today so I was extremely excited - :rlol:Here are the valve covers - http://www.ebay.com/itm/330425747166?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Conquistador_del_mar
06-08-2013, 07:02 PM
I am slowly getting the parts together for the 572s. I just got back the intakes after being sand blasted and powder coated along with the other brackets that were on the engines. I also had new BBC tall finned valve covers powder coated. The starters and alternators were rebuilt and I bought two new brass water pumps since the old ones did not have rebuild kits. Now I need to repaint the engines and start installing the parts. Onwards, Bill

scippy
06-09-2013, 02:48 PM
Bill........Cool to watch the pieces come back together again!....Love the fresh attention (paint) to those 572's and matching the original TG scheme.
been watching and enjoying all of this, but probably not as much as you.

Conquistador_del_mar
06-10-2013, 03:06 PM
Bill........Cool to watch the pieces come back together again!....Love the fresh attention (paint) to those 572's and matching the original TG scheme.
been watching and enjoying all of this, but probably not as much as you.

Thanks Pete. I will post pictures as they come together. Just last night I placed a $500 order with Jegs for some oddball parts I need. The only relatively expensive parts I still need to get are the ignition systems. I also need to send in one of the SSM III drives to be rebuilt - I bought the Top Gun with one of them bad. I am actually having some fun putting the Cig back together - :yes:.

scippy
06-11-2013, 01:21 AM
Bill I think you must have mentioned earlier (but I don't remember) the condition of the Huber trannies?
I hope they checked out to be OK.....I'm guessing those would have to be pretty stout units to sit behind
the 572"s
Was there any concern in regards to the fuel tanks in the TG?....I forget if you had mentioned that also..:boggled:

Damm-magnum
06-11-2013, 06:18 PM
Bill I think you must have mentioned earlier (but I don't remember) the condition of the Huber trannies?
I hope they checked out to be OK.....I'm guessing those would have to be pretty stout units to sit behind
the 572"s
Was there any concern in regards to the fuel tanks in the TG?....I forget if you had mentioned that also..:boggled:

Pete,

Not to steal any of Bill's thunder, How is the Magnum Sport coming along?

Bill,

The Cigarette ia starting shape up. the power coated parts look great..

Thank you
Jim

scippy
06-12-2013, 12:47 AM
Jim
I'm just gettng back to work on the magnum after using up most of the spring doing a construction project.
Will post up some pics of the aditional stringers I placed in the boat. Plus, the bulkhead wall in the cabin is
ready to go in.............all the time in the world and still can't get enough done :bawling:

Damm-magnum
06-13-2013, 05:33 PM
Jim
I'm just gettng back to work on the magnum after using up most of the spring doing a construction project.
Will post up some pics of the aditional stringers I placed in the boat. Plus, the bulkhead wall in the cabin is
ready to go in.............all the time in the world and still can't get enough done :bawling:

Hello Pete,

Great to hear back from you
Are you doing construction projects from Hurricane Sandy?

Know what you mean about all the time and never enough time
love to see the photos when you can post them

thank you
jim

scippy
06-13-2013, 10:39 PM
Jim ,
The house here in Jersey survived, the Brooklyn residence (sheepshead bay) was another story :frown:
I built a 38' exstension (like a carport) for the portable shelter that houses the magnum. Now I can
roll the boat out (in any weather) and work on it as I choose :biggrin.:......I'll post a pic on my thread soon.

Greg Guimond
06-13-2013, 11:22 PM
scippy,
I wish you luck. I see the Sheepshead Bay reference and it brought me back. I was a Senior in HS and I wanted to move up from a Glastron GT160 to a Donzi 16 OB Baby. My Dad was well........away for a while, and my Uncle (his youngest Brother) stepped in. We drove down to Sheepheads Bay to look at a 1976 16 OB Baby with a 1976 Evinrude 235 and a candy stripe interior. To me, as a 17 year old, it was incredible. We went over to the sellers home in Sheapshead Bay to give him the cash, 5,500 remember it like it was yesterday because I needed that cash to pay for BC ($3,650) in Sept. It all worked out.

scippy
06-15-2013, 01:58 AM
Greg,
That's a cool story & proof your a true Donzi romantic !!!....... glad it all worked out for ya!

Conquistador_del_mar
11-13-2013, 07:31 PM
I am about to take the 572s to a local racing engine shop to have the engines completely gone through and dynoed after making the deal with them this afternoon. Here they are with the powder coated intakes and valve covers sitting on cradles so I can take them. I have most of the parts and the shop will provide the rest. The blocks will be painted black with the red top end parts and red harmonic balancers that I already Imroned. The timing covers are new aluminum ones that I will also take to the shop. Onwards. Bill

scippy
11-13-2013, 10:33 PM
I look at those 572's and think, NA BB Dynamos!!........ those heads are tremendous!
Update Your signature under '87 CigaRette to.........got some pretty fine engines now!

Conquistador_del_mar
11-14-2013, 12:28 AM
I look at those 572's and think, NA BB Dynamos!!........ those heads are tremendous!
Update Your signature under '87 CigaRette to.........got some pretty fine engines now!

Thanks Pete. I think you understand my enthusiasm. It took me much longer to get this close to finally having some engines for the Top Gun, but I had to make some hard decisions like doing entire rebuilds instead of just working the Merlin heads over. I think paying the extra for the dyno work will pay off, too. Did I mention that the Gil pans are 12 qt? I just drained 6 gallons of new oil that we used to run them earlier this year. The shop should be done with them by the first of December. Onwards.

Conquistador_del_mar
11-19-2013, 02:48 AM
I built the fuel lines today after mocking up the setup so I should be taking the 572 engines to Self Racing in Durant, OK tomorrow afternoon for the rebuilding and dynos. :yes:

MDonziM
11-19-2013, 09:09 AM
Engines look sharp Bill. You going to paint the blocks black when your done? Look forward to the dyno results, if you don't mind sharing, what kind of number does the dyno test run?

Conquistador_del_mar
11-19-2013, 12:55 PM
The blocks, heads, pans and fuel lines will be black with red valve covers, intakes, and balancers. The new bell housings for top mount starters are polished aluminum. There are new stainless mounts for the back sides of the heads that will hold the MSD boxes, coils, starter solenoids, and wiring connectors.

BUIZILLA
11-19-2013, 01:37 PM
FWIW, Glen Self was the MacDaddy inline 6 cyl builder back in the day, he also did early-on development work for Buick on the V6 projects, nobody knew those engines better than Glen Self and Buddy Ingersol and Jim Ruggles back then... very good choice in engine builder

Conquistador_del_mar
11-19-2013, 01:50 PM
FWIW, Glen Self was the MacDaddy inline 6 cyl builder back in the day, he also did early-on development work for Buick on the V6 projects, nobody knew those engines better than Glen Self and Buddy Ingersol and Jim Ruggles back then... very good choice in engine builder

Thanks Jim. I went to their shop last week where they showed me one of their inline 6 cylinder turbo charged engines that made 1250HP on the dyno! They do a lot of custom intake and head fabrication work along with lots of my type "regular" engine work. They have a relatively small shop with Glen, his son Kevin, and one other guy who do all the work. I felt good about taking them my engines after talking to them for about an hour - nice guys, too.

Conquistador_del_mar
11-20-2013, 07:20 PM
I dropped off the 572s this afternoon at Self Racing and spent at least 30 minutes talking to Glen Self. He is an energetic, knowledgeable man who is almost 72 now (going on 60). He filled me in on his history which was fairly extensive. Nice guy! My F350 was almost at the overload springs with both engines in the bed. Onwards.

Conquistador_del_mar
11-20-2013, 10:54 PM
I should add that Glen knew the engine builder of my 572s who also built NASCAR engines - Carl Wegner .
He also filled me in on one of the early V6 engines that he built that would run 10,400 RPMs and got him a lot of attention with GM.

scippy
11-21-2013, 01:28 AM
Bill your putting good use to the F350 suspension, what do you figure that cargo weighs?
You have a fine look'in hauler!...............Just read abit about the Selfs' father & son team
wonderful choice!!!

Conquistador_del_mar
11-21-2013, 03:39 AM
Pete, I would guess the two engines weigh close to 1700lbs with the cast iron Merlin heads and all complete. I also like the truck's looks and amenities, but the new ones get much better mileage - mine is a 2009 with the 6.4 diesel. Glen and Kevin Self have got a very good reputation so I finally went with them after talking to 4 or 5 local shops. I liked what they had to say better than the other shops although Kim Barr in Garland was a close second - I bought a BBC from them years ago that worked well. Glen was boxing up an engine to go to Pennslyvania when I got there today so they apparently have customers all over the country.

johnnywhale
11-21-2013, 08:53 PM
Glen Self was the king of drag race straight six engines in the seventies, followed by Cotton Perry

Conquistador_del_mar
04-09-2014, 12:42 AM
Glen called me to let me know the engines were ready so I picked them up today. It turns out they needed new solid roller lifters, but most of the other parts were fine. He mounted the new MSD 6M boxes and coils on the stainless brackets I had taken to him along with installing new MSD collared distributors. They were rebuilt entirely and run on his dyno which showed they made 672 peak HP at 5400RPM and 693 ft/lb of torque at 4400RPM and were within 3HP of each other. Glen Self is on the right in the picture with me. Onwards.

MDonziM
04-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Good sounding numbers Bill!

scippy
04-10-2014, 12:01 AM
Bill.........love the black with the red V covers! .....the size of those heads & top ends make the carbs look tiny, but I'm sure
it's got big air flow for those brutes...what's the CFM on the carb?.......How far did you travel for the engines?...Glen looks
better than me and he's 10 yrs older :boggled: ....I like the astec?? shirt.........maybe more arrowhead!

Conquistador_del_mar
04-10-2014, 03:16 AM
Good sounding numbers Bill!

I was hoping for 750+HP, but the relatively mild cam and low 8.5 CR are the main reasons why they didn't make more HP. Glen told me they should hold together and they ran them up to 5900RPM on the dyno. Callies crank, Oliver rods, JE forged pistons, Merlin heads, Manley valves, Comp Cam solid roller lifters, roller rockers, 12qt Gil offshore pan.


Bill.........love the black with the red V covers! .....the size of those heads & top ends make the carbs look tiny, but I'm sure
it's got big air flow for those brutes...what's the CFM on the carb?.......How far did you travel for the engines?...Glen looks
better than me and he's 10 yrs older :boggled: ....I like the astec?? shirt.........maybe more arrowhead!

Pete,
Thanks! They are 1050CFM Dominators that had to be totally gone through - 86 jets on all 4 corners and 6.5 power valves. Glen's shop is only a 25 minute drive across the Texas/Oklahoma border from me. In the colder months, just about all I wear are heavy flannel Cabela's print shirts like that one. It is a relatively new design they offer that I really like. Did someone mention arrowheads? lol

Conquistador_del_mar
10-09-2014, 12:43 PM
As it turns out, I decided to sell my 38' Cigarette. The man who bought it already has a 40' Magnum, but he wanted a faster boat to compliment the Magnum at Lake Dallas (Lewisville). He showed up Tuesday with a red Topkick custom truck to match which was as huge a truck as I have seen recently. I kept the engines that Glen Self rebuilt for me for another day.

MDonziM
10-09-2014, 08:56 PM
Ok, but no less than 5 boats Bill. You're who I point to when my wife complains about 3.

Conquistador_del_mar
10-09-2014, 11:18 PM
Ok, but no less than 5 boats Bill. You're who I point to when my wife complains about 3.

I don't see me selling another for a while so you can still use me as evidence that you are not as insane as others - lol.

scippy
10-10-2014, 11:57 PM
The 38' looks pretty nice even going away from ya!......congratulations!

Conquistador_del_mar
10-12-2014, 12:25 AM
The 38' looks pretty nice even going away from ya!......congratulations!

Thanks Pete. I have to admit that I had truck envy over that Topkick!

Conquistador_del_mar
12-27-2014, 12:25 PM
Screenshot from a video on my Android smartphone after I learned how to import from the Samsung Android S5 to the Mac computer using the Kies program. It shows the huge Topkick better.