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Greg Guimond
07-22-2011, 04:10 PM
Anyone recognize what model this old Bertram might be ........?

BUIZILLA
07-22-2011, 04:11 PM
24 Baron?

Greg Guimond
07-22-2011, 04:19 PM
Looked bigger then 24'. Had twin I/O's that must have been shoe horned in there. Last registration tags were 1988 and no transom numbers. Deep V with outer strakes ending well before the transom.

Boatnuts
07-22-2011, 04:20 PM
24 Baron had the camper front deck. This boat does not. Inside pic and windshield looks like a 20 foot Baron but hull pic is not. I have a 24 Bertram and the upper stem line in the pic doesn't look right for a 24.

Boatnuts
07-22-2011, 04:21 PM
Maybe a 28 Baron

Greg Guimond
07-22-2011, 04:22 PM
It was 5am in the morning but I would say it was around 27 feet or a bit bigger. Really nice lines and that transom must have been at least 4" thick.

Mckillop
07-22-2011, 04:33 PM
Looks like a 28' Baron. Those had twin small blocks if I remember correctly. Cool boat...

Greg Guimond
07-22-2011, 04:47 PM
Ok, that 28 Baron makes sense. Shame to see it just sitting there. What was the beam on that model? Looked to be narrow, maybe even 7 feet.

OFFSHORE GINGER
07-22-2011, 04:48 PM
Looks like a 28' Baron. Those had twin small blocks if I remember correctly. Cool boat... I agree , and one of my all time favorite boats .

Greg Guimond
07-22-2011, 05:01 PM
Looks like it was a super heavy layup. And the entry deadrise on that bow was something you just don't see anymore. Too bad to see it wasting away. When I saw it made me think of HIGH LIFE and his Mag conversion. Mike would have been all over a project like that :frown:

joseph m. hahnl
07-22-2011, 06:59 PM
http://www.used-bertram.com/hystory/photo/1079.jpg (http://www.used-bertram.com/hystory/pdf/1079.pdf)


http://www.used-bertram.com/hystory/pdf/1079.pdf


http://www.speedmasters-inc.com/SmLilBert.jpg

http://ads.boatboss.com/3_Tampa/2044_Classic_Bertram_Baron_Performance_Speed_Boat. html
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1969-Bertram-Yacht-Corp-28-Baron-Sprintabout-Review-/00/$(KGrHqQOKpME3t09uOglBOBM146tYg~~_12.JPG

OFFSHORE GINGER
07-22-2011, 09:10 PM
http://www.used-bertram.com/hystory/photo/1079.jpg (http://www.used-bertram.com/hystory/pdf/1079.pdf)


http://www.used-bertram.com/hystory/pdf/1079.pdf


http://www.speedmasters-inc.com/SmLilBert.jpg

http://ads.boatboss.com/3_Tampa/2044_Classic_Bertram_Baron_Performance_Speed_Boat. html
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1969-Bertram-Yacht-Corp-28-Baron-Sprintabout-Review-/00/$(KGrHqQOKpME3t09uOglBOBM146tYg~~_12.JPG awsome boat and yes a very heavy lay up in those day's , but the life line is way out of wack .................for the lines of the boat.

Morgan's Cloud
07-22-2011, 09:15 PM
Looks like it was a super heavy layup. And the entry deadrise on that bow was something you just don't see anymore. Too bad to see it wasting away. When I saw it made me think of HIGH LIFE and his Mag conversion. Mike would have been all over a project like that :frown:
Probably nowhere as heavy a layup as one might think I suspect. I've been through a lot of classic 20/25 and 31 Berts that were made well before Bertram went with this non-Hunt designed hull and they were a whole lot lighter than I would ever have imagined. In fact , I walked on the hull insides of a late 60's 31 recently that had the rear sections of the stringers cut out and the hull flex was scarey.
But I have to admit , those 24 and 28 Barons are cool as hell .

silverghost
07-22-2011, 09:24 PM
Anyone ever seen a lifeline that high off the deck of a speedboat ?
I never have.

Cool boat~
Should be restored & saved ,

Greg Guimond
07-24-2011, 10:21 AM
Interesting info guys, and thanks for the photos Joe. It really looks cool with the exception, as Ginger mentions, that crazy high life line. I tried to expand the spec sheet but could not see the beam. Is it 7' even? Does the spec sheet show a deadrise?

captaintyler
11-15-2011, 10:49 PM
The baron has a dead rise of 28 degrees at the stern and a beam of 7 feet. Great rough water boats. Here is a link to my baron project http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/classic-offshore/247548-1970-bertram-baron-28-project.html They are built to last forever with a very thick layup and a transom that is about 2.5 inches thick.
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blackboat
11-16-2011, 04:26 PM
Beautiful lines on that model.
Checked out the restoration thread,fantastic job Capn !!!!!

Greg Guimond
11-16-2011, 07:30 PM
Thanks for the post Captain and some job you are doing! 28 degrees of deadrise, wow. I thought the old Sutphen's had the steepest at 26 degrees and then an even plusher ride from the old school Bertrams. Talk about wave crusher :yes: It almost looks like the Baron 28 interior could be a sit down design if you wanted that. Very elegant lines on your hull.

Morgan's Cloud
11-17-2011, 10:41 AM
28 degrees ? ?

Craig S
11-17-2011, 12:53 PM
makes my 25 degree Nova pretty lame!

thescooter
11-17-2011, 06:40 PM
28' 1970 bertram baron here is mine

http://atlaswoodproducts.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/this-is-my1970-bertram-baron-28-twin-holman-moody-fords-302s-with-351-heads-one-of-aprx-10-left-of-only-50-built-click-on-pics-to-enlarge-them/

Offset
11-17-2011, 07:12 PM
Nice boat Captain, I do not think I have ever seen a Bertram in Canadian waters but I am probably wrong.

Great lines. Thanks all for sharing the photos and information. You folks certainly know your offshore boat history.

Greg Guimond
11-17-2011, 09:46 PM
Great looking hull .........

biggiefl
11-18-2011, 02:18 PM
Somebody bring one to a rendezvous please. If they ride as good as they look, I want one.

PS...how do you get twin SB's in a 7' beam? Are they staggered?

dsparis
11-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Heres one forsale with some engine bay pics.
http://www.oceanlist.com/boat-for-sale-1969-Bertram-Baron-15079

smidgen too
11-18-2011, 09:00 PM
Years ago Outlaw made a knock off of the 28' Bertram. Dont know how many were made or where they built them, :eek: this one was for sale about 5 years ago.

captaintyler
11-19-2011, 08:58 AM
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The small blocks make for a very tight engine bay that must be a nightmare to work on. I've kept the original inline 292 engines in mine and built them up for a little more power. The original engines and boat only have 170 hours of total use on them so I thought it would be a shame to replace them. Here is a picture of the inline engine bay. Its a joy to work on, you can climb inside, sit down and work in comfort.
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biggiefl
11-19-2011, 09:01 AM
What kind of performance do you get from 12cyls?

Ghost
11-19-2011, 10:54 AM
Capt Tyler, the boat is gorgeous--I just went through your entire restoration thread (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/classic-offshore/247548-1970-bertram-baron-28-project.html) and I was blown away. Incredible job. Can't wait to see how things turn out in the Spring when she finally goes back in the water again. -Mike

DirtyPearl
11-23-2011, 03:01 PM
Is the Baron at the begining of the thread for sale? I have a buddy that would love to own one.

biggiefl
11-23-2011, 03:39 PM
The one linked(1969?) in baby blue is for sale for $35k.

DirtyPearl
11-23-2011, 11:37 PM
That boat is beatiful, but my freind is looking for a project. I was refering to the red and white one at the begining of the thread.

Greg Guimond
11-24-2011, 03:20 PM
I was the one who spotted the Barron that started the thread. When I saw it last it was high and dry at Norwalk Cove Marina. I'm not sure if it is still there, and if in fact it is for sale. There was no sign of any sort on it, and Cove is not exactly known for restores of performance boats but a phone call will tell you the hulls story.

Greg Guimond
02-25-2012, 09:00 AM
I went by Cove Marina and the Baron is still there. I wonder what the situation is with it.

olredalert
02-25-2012, 11:29 AM
----If the red boat pictured has signs of the name "No Alibi" anywhere on it I know who owned it new. The boat I knew spent its early years on Cape Cod in Osterville. Belonged to a good friend, Al Surprenant.......Bill S

FFR428
02-25-2012, 09:07 PM
That's a cool Bertram hull. At first glance at the pics I thought Baron 20' but see it's much larger. I'm not far away from Norwalk either. Would make a nice project boat. There's also a bare Cigarette hull in Stratford CT on Rt 1. Not sure the year or exact length but close to 30' give or take. For sale sign on it with a phone # no price.

Lively-one
02-26-2012, 12:15 AM
Just stumbled across this thread about these BEAUTIFUL 28' Bertrams. Been around Bertrams (and a fan) all my life and have never seen this model. I am g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y looking for a boat in the 25' to 30' range but the only thing about this boat that might make me a bit hesitant is the narrow cockpit and engine compartment. I saw that ya'll mentioned a 25' Bertram...are they as rare as these 28's?? As I have never seen one of them either

Greg Guimond
12-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Dragging this old thread back to the top as there was a gentleman (he actually posted early in this thread) who did an incredible restoration to the same model 28 Baron. Talk about a piece of artwork. Here is his photo of the finished product, enjoy. Someone should pick up this old hull that is in Norwalk at Cove Marina and do the same thing to it :yes:

jl1962
12-04-2012, 08:17 PM
The Bertram is still at Norwalk Cove Marina. Although they do move it a round from time to time!

I'll take a picture next time I'm there, but it is still in the same condition.

Greg Guimond
12-06-2012, 07:20 PM
That is a shame Jay. When I last saw it the hull was open to the weather but at least it was properly blocked and the drain plug was out. Here is a picture of the restored 28 Baron's interior.

Ghost
12-06-2012, 07:36 PM
Wow, look at that!

Greg Guimond
12-06-2012, 07:48 PM
Ghost, the guy did an amazing job bringing the Bertram back. In fact, the hull looks far better then it did in original form, the updates were that well thought.

jl1962
12-09-2012, 05:44 PM
Not much to look at, but we've all seen worse. The registration sticker is from 1988, port of call was Brooklyn, NY (still visible on the transom). As Greg says, at least it won't be an ice tray this winter.

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scippy
12-09-2012, 06:09 PM
Good set of eyes "Bklyn, NY" would not have made that out.

jl1962
12-09-2012, 09:17 PM
Much easier to see in person than in the picture :wink:

There is also the remnants of a name on the transom, but it is not "No Alibi" as had been suggested earlier.

Conquistador_del_mar
12-10-2012, 12:32 AM
That 28' Bertram Baron is just unbelievably cool - awesome! :worthy: Bill

smidgen too
12-28-2012, 10:25 PM
I recived a new stack of pictures from my Ohio friends. The stack contains boats that raced in the GLOPRA series in the 70's. In the pack was this pic of BABY a yellow 28' Bertram. I wonder were this one is today ????????

afd414
12-29-2012, 09:19 AM
I never knew Bertram made a power boat, I've seen their older cabin cruisers that are built like a brick s##thouse. Nice looking rigs!

Greg Guimond
12-29-2012, 09:49 AM
That is a cool picture smidgen too, although it looks like that 28 Baron has stand up bolsters while the owner of the fully restored red 28 has a sit down set up. I wonder what the original seat set-up was from the Bertram factory?

olredalert
12-29-2012, 10:10 AM
----Greg,,,The standard and only seat available from Bertram was the sit-down seat. These bolsters were evidently added. I dont think that Dick Bertram ever felt that the 28 would be an effective race boat as he was building the longer, very competitive race boats as well. But, a few enterprising racers saw that the 28 had a chance to be competitive. Thats now two 28s, I believe, that were raced out of a very low number produced!
----Im also guessing that the lifeline that came standard on the 28 was removed due to the rules back in the day, as was the windshield.......Bill S

Greg Guimond
12-29-2012, 11:24 AM
Thanks Bill. I happen to really like the sit down concept in that boat. Cuts a very "Bond" like image with that long deck :smile:

Morgan's Cloud
12-29-2012, 12:44 PM
afd414

I never knew Bertram made a power boat, I've seen their older cabin cruisers that are built like a brick s##thouse. Nice looking rigs!

Are you aware of Bertram's history ? It's a great story and could be considered the cornerstone of the development of the Deep V in the west .

Greg Guimond
12-29-2012, 12:49 PM
-Greg,The standard and only seat available from Bertram was the sit-down seat. Thats now two 28s, I believe, that were raced out of a very low number produced!.......Bill S

From what I can figure out, only 50 Baron 28 hulls were ever produced. I wonder how many have survived over the years.

olredalert
12-29-2012, 02:50 PM
----The number of 28 Barons produced has been all over the place. Safe to say, though, that there werent as many as 50. I wish that many were built as then maybe I could track one down that I could afford.......Bill S

Ghost
12-29-2012, 04:07 PM
Agreed, I like the "sit down" as well. For various reasons. And to a degree, I think it adds control/stability for the people aboard. I also wonder if Bertram squeezed the seats toward the middle for more control, to cut down on effects of roll on the people in the boat. Dunno, but wouldn't surprise me.

olredalert
12-29-2012, 05:41 PM
----The Baron I spent so much time on in and around Nantucket Sound was regularly used to head over to either Nantucket, Marthas Vineyard, Hyannis, Yarmouth, or Falmouth.
----The sound is often rough and many, many times we found ourselves standing rather than suffer back jolts, but that not withstanding the sit-down seats fit the boat perfectly. I dont think Barons were ever envisioned as anything more than a day boat back then. All that bow and there was nothing forward of the dash but the fuel tank..
----I know as I spent about 8 hours early one spring sitting "ON" the gas tank, forward of the dash, out of gas, but at least out of the weather, about 2 miles off the Osterville cut because my pal Al (the owner of the boat) swore that the boat was filled with fuel the fall before when the boat was winterized. He was sadly mistaken as we ran out on our way back from a bar in Hyannis. Nothing on board but the anchor, lines, and about 4 gallons of 8 month old very cheap wine. You can imagine what ended up in the bilge that night. We wailed away on the s-to-s all night but didnt realize that the antenna wasnt attached. A confused fisherman found us about 6 in the morning, still drunk and hurling!
----All that and I still love these 28s. They will handle just about any water you can go out in. If its too rough for a 28 Baron you best not make the trip!!!!!!........Bill S

Conquistador_del_mar
12-29-2012, 06:50 PM
Great story Bill. Things like that we never forget! I have a few myself - :rolleyes: It sure seems like there might be an interest if someone made something similar today, but it is difficult to figure out popularity.

Greg Guimond
12-29-2012, 07:04 PM
Now that...........is a great story!

smidgen too
12-29-2012, 09:36 PM
Here are two more 28' x 7' beam Bertrams that raced from Lake St Clair back in the day.

olredalert
12-30-2012, 12:01 AM
----You are truly unbelieveable, Mark!!! I figure we know each other pretty well and then you surprise us all with pictures that (at least) I have never seen before. Where are these Barons today???........Bill S

smidgen too
12-30-2012, 02:36 AM
The Long Shot I believe is this one with the Volvo drives showing, as I helped make that power trim set up. That Bertram is in a boat yard in the Lake St Clair area. Len who bought the lil Smidgen Mag found it. But after many attempts by many he would not give any info on it, :confused: but he did take these pic's. The Killer Bertram was lost in the 70's Emerald City Harbor fire. :garfield:

mattyboy
12-30-2012, 08:07 AM
smidge,
neat engineering work there :yes:

love the telltale strakes on a bertram

Voodoocanoe
12-31-2012, 07:55 PM
Here are two more 28' x 7' beam Bertrams that raced from Lake St Clair back in the day.

Mark, I wonder if Chip knows where Super Moth ended up?

smidgen too
01-01-2013, 03:45 PM
I don't think so. Captain America Dave B raced her till the bottom fractured, then they scraped her.

jl1962
01-07-2013, 03:04 PM
I finally spoke to the yard manager in Norwalk - they've been closed for the holidays.

He assures me the owner intends to restore the boat this year.

seabuddy
01-09-2013, 11:08 AM
1970 restored bertram baron 2874329

seabuddy
01-09-2013, 02:25 PM
74331

same boat

seabuddy
01-09-2013, 04:58 PM
74332

another Bertram 28' Baron

Greg Guimond
05-03-2013, 11:18 PM
Amazingly, it looks like this mint, fully restored 1970 28 is coming up for sale....................

Ghost
05-04-2013, 08:52 AM
Keep us posted. Looks like sixes if I'm seeing the transom clearly. I want to know more about the motors, among other things...

MDonziM
05-04-2013, 05:24 PM
Ghost,

Go to OSO in Classic Offshore, there is a thread on this Bertram that is for sale. It has the original 6's with some improved tuning I think.

- M

Ghost
05-04-2013, 08:43 PM
Oh, I know those motors--that's Shawn Tyler's boat. Amazing work. I know the 292s were rebuilt with some extra cam and were expected to be in the 270-300 range. I was going to have the same done with mine but the gentleman in MI (who did the ones in that Bertram) went radio silent right about when I was arranging delivery to the shop. I seem to recall he owned that Bertram and then sold it to Shawn, but I'm reaching back aways. Anyway, I hope he's okay, seemed like a really good guy when I talked to him.

I read the whole thread and didn't see anything about how the power turned out or what performance was like (other than that it did very well in big seas). If anyone runs across any details, I'm curious.

(Greg, end the Warlock chase and buy that Bertram. ;) )

captaintyler
05-04-2013, 09:31 PM
I'm the builder of Baron as seen on OSO http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/classic-offshore/247548-1970-bertram-baron-28-project.html We have been contemplating selling it and are trying to come up with its value. Any Suggestions? As seen in the thread nothing has been left untouched. I feel it is safe to say it came out far better than the original. I built the boat for my close friend and the former president of Bertram, Peter Rittmaster. He was also the original designer of the boat and a successful racer for Bertram as well. We built the boat the way it should have been built if you didn't have to worry about things like a BUDGET. We have just over 50k in materials including the original cost of the boat. That does not include any of my hundreds of hours of labor. It comes with a aluminum dual axle trailer, Three sets of props 23p 25p 27p, two complete spare outdrives and another for parts. When we purchased the boat it had 170 original hours and we have put 20 on since it has been completed. This boat has timeless lines and is mistaken for a brand new boat all the time. People can't believe it is over forty years old. At this time I'm just trying to come up with it value. I'll attach a few pictures of the finished product. The older gentleman behind the wheel is Peter.

Ghost
05-04-2013, 09:55 PM
I love the boat, the work, and the choices you made. Seems like for the right buyer it should be worth 75k+ easily, but it might take years to connect with that right buyer (with the right taste and no need for financing).

When you play the price game, on the open market, I'd guess she'd sell in a week if offered at 20k. Within a month for 25-30. And so on. It's a good time of year to sell. A survey might help in making prospective buyers comfortable with value and price. I also wonder if there might be some interesting ways to market it to get closer to proper value--maybe call Boating/P&MY/etc and see if they'd like to do a piece on the boat. The more professionals actually scrutinize it and then share and publicize the reality of the job you did, the better. And maybe someone with stupid money will consider it for a yacht tender/toy.

(And thanks again for all your info and advice with my inline sixes. As you might have seen above, I ultimately went to a single when I lost contact with the gentleman up in MI who did yours, but I really appreciate all your help.)


Regards,

Mike

Greg Guimond
05-04-2013, 10:14 PM
Great information in that post captaintyler. It might be worth looking at the auction houses to see what is happening with Barrett Jackson, Mecum, Gooding and the like. See what the schedules are, and make some calls to get a feel for options. A resto like that needs to get in front of an audience with high emotional attachment and plenty of f u money.

:drool:

duckhunter
05-04-2013, 11:29 PM
I also wonder if there might be some interesting ways to market it to get closer to proper value--maybe call Boating/P&MY/etc and see if they'd like to do a piece on the boat. The more professionals actually scrutinize it and then share and publicize the reality of the job you did, the better. And maybe someone with stupid money will consider it for a yacht tender/toy.



Great information in that post captaintyler. It might be worth looking at the auction houses to see what is happening with Barrett Jackson, Mecum, Gooding and the like. See what the schedules are, and make some calls to get a feel for options. A resto like that needs to get in front of an audience with high emotional attachment and plenty of f u money.


I concur with these guys. Your Bert is amazing, but the potential pond of buyers (at least for what it's worth) is pretty small. You need to find the guy that can a) appreciate the boat for what it is and b) stroke a check for it. Not impossible by any means, but challenging. Skip the ebay / boat trader type stuff and get it in a magazine or maybe to an auction. Really cool boats have been selling for short dollars at auction, so you would have to find the right one or keep a reserve on it.

The attention-to-detail on the refit is amazing - truly beautiful boat. Good luck!

Conquistador_del_mar
05-04-2013, 11:31 PM
That is a spectacular restoration job you did!! I would think $65,000 will not scare off an interested buyer - possibly more. You will probably just have to start at an asking price you would feel comfortable with. Like you already said, there are not many out there especially restored so nicely. If you do decide to put a price on it, please let this forum know. Bill

captaintyler
05-16-2013, 07:11 PM
That is a spectacular restoration job you did!! I would think $65,000 will not scare off an interested buyer - possibly more. You will probably just have to start at an asking price you would feel comfortable with. Like you already said, there are not many out there especially restored so nicely. If you do decide to put a price on it, please let this forum know. Bill
I think $65000 is the magic number. When I get some free time I'll have to advertise it but for the moment I'll settle for word of mouth.

pipnit
05-17-2013, 04:32 PM
Wow, CaptainTyler, gorgeous work. Too cool. I think 65k is a good number to release her at. Probably aim higher?

Kuwait or Saudi craigslist? lol

ClassicFanatic
07-10-2014, 05:23 AM
Any news on the red Baron in the first post? Did it ever get restored?

Greg Guimond
07-10-2014, 01:25 PM
Any news on the red Baron in the first post? Did it ever get restored?

I'm sure it is still sitting in the Cove Marina yard in Norwalk CT :garfield:

ClassicFanatic
07-16-2014, 02:33 AM
I'm sure it is still sitting in the Cove Marina yard in Norwalk CT :garfield:

This boat really deserves a full restoration, and I would gladly be the one to do it if the price is right.

Greg Guimond
07-16-2014, 09:17 AM
Any news on the red Baron in the first post? Did it ever get restored?


This boat really deserves a full restoration, and I would gladly be the one to do it if the price is right.


Go over to Cove or Rex and ask to talk with one of the Gardella's. I suspect they would load it on your trailer and give it to you for free if you got it out of there promptly :yes:

ClassicFanatic
07-17-2014, 06:50 AM
Go over to Cove or Rex and ask to talk with one of the Gardella's. I suspect they would load it on your trailer and give it to you for free if you got it out of there promptly :yes:

Tempting ;)

To bad I live on the wrong side of the North Atlantic. Quite a long trip to just "go over" with my fingers crossed :)

jl1962
07-17-2014, 08:34 AM
Haven't been there in a year or so, but when I asked in spring of 2013, the old man told me he was finally going to get to it........:rolleyes:

ClassicFanatic
07-17-2014, 01:31 PM
Haven't been there in a year or so, but when I asked in spring of 2013, the old man told me he was finally going to get to it........:rolleyes:

Yeah right...

Greg Guimond
03-20-2015, 06:02 PM
Amazingly, it looks like this mint, fully restored 1970 28 is coming up for sale....................


I'm the builder of the Baron. We have been contemplating selling it. As seen in the thread nothing has been left untouched. I feel it is safe to say it came out far better than the original. I built the boat for my close friend and the former President of Bertram, Peter Rittmaster. He was also the original designer of the boat and a successful racer for Bertram as well. We built the boat the way it should have been built if you didn't have to worry about things like a BUDGET.

We have just over 50k in materials including the original cost of the boat. That does not include any of my hundreds of hours of labor. When we purchased the boat it had 170 original hours and we have put 20 on since it has been completed. This boat has timeless lines and is mistaken for a brand new boat all the time. The older gentleman behind the wheel is Peter.

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I wonder if the restored 28 Bertram Baron below ever ended up selling? One of the best restorations to one of the best looking hulls ever and 28 degrees of deadrise to boot. Steepest V I've ever heard of in a race boat.
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cadillacboats
09-29-2015, 10:41 PM
I've sold a few Bertrams and there was also a company called Outlaw in the Northeast that made a splash of the 28' Barron. I sold the hull molds and three hull and decks that I bought from an estate sale in Indiantown, FL about five years ago. Sold a nice 20' Barron and even a 1964 31' Competition which is under full restoration at TNT right now in North Miami. If you have deep pockets I have a 1977 38' Competition "Kevlar" ex: Vincentive for $10,000 and will listen to trades ? Thanks, Cadillac (772) 285-2266

cadillacboats
09-29-2015, 10:48 PM
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Greg Guimond
09-30-2015, 10:04 PM
I've sold a few Bertrams and there was also a company called Outlaw in the Northeast that made a splash of the 28' Barron. I sold the hull molds and three hull and decks that I bought from an estate sale in Indiantown, FL about five years ago. Sold a nice 20' Barron and even a 1964 31' Competition which is under full restoration at TNT right now in North Miami. If you have deep pockets I have a 1977 38' Competition "Kevlar" ex: Vincentive for $10,000 and will listen to trades ? Thanks, Cadillac (772) 285-2266




Who cares. Those are not true Bertrams.

bertsboat
10-01-2015, 10:43 AM
Greg, this boat was at Antique Boat America this summer. Do you stop in there from time to time?
It was nice in person but the cockpit is really tight. But it's nice no doubt


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I wonder if the restored 28 Bertram Baron below ever ended up selling? One of the best restorations to one of the best looking hulls ever and 28 degrees of deadrise to boot. Steepest V I've ever heard of in a race boat.
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smidgen too
10-01-2015, 11:41 AM
I believe the 28' Bertram that Bill & I found & sold back to the son [Chip Miller] of it's former 70's owner will start it's restoration back to it's racing heritage . As of now Chip may restore it with a new modern Merc powertrain but keeping it's 70's look. After seeing how Chip restored William Clay Fords Donzi Criterion I know this Bertam is in good hands.

Greg Guimond
10-01-2015, 11:42 AM
Greg, this boat was at Antique Boat America this summer. Do you stop in there from time to time?
It was nice in person but the cockpit is really tight. But it's nice no doubt

No Bert, I have never been there. That is in Clayton, NY, correct? Pretty cool that you got a look at the Bertram 28 up close when you (and the boat) where both there. Nice to see it saved :yes:

Greg Guimond
10-01-2015, 11:46 AM
I believe the 28' Bertram that Bill & I found & sold back to the son [Chip Miller] of it's former 70's owner will start it's restoration back to it's racing heritage . As of now Chip may restore it with a new modern Merc powertrain but keeping it's 70's look. After seeing how Chip restored William Clay Fords Donzi Criterion I know this Bertam is in good hands.

Another one saved. Super! Is it true that these Bertram 28 hulls had a dead rise of 28 degrees?

Morgan's Cloud
10-01-2015, 12:29 PM
Another one saved. Super! Is it true that these Bertram 28 hulls had a dead rise of 28 degrees?

Actually , I'd like to know if that's true or not too .

I'm pretty sure that I once read that by the time the late 60's - early 70's rolled around so much experimenting had taken place that designers and builders , and that included Don A , knew that once they went past 25 degrees it was counterproductive and Ray Hunt had the 24 degree formula right , right from the get go .

olredalert
10-01-2015, 05:12 PM
----I think the Barons hull is 26 degrees, not 28. I spent several of my younger summers on one. You could find us any weekend somewhere between Nantucket, Marthas Vineyard, Osterville and Hyannis. Anywhere there was a bar open on the water.......Bill S

joseph m. hahnl
10-08-2015, 09:10 PM
I saw one on Lake Winnipesaukee This Aug.:kingme:

Greg Guimond
01-03-2016, 08:19 AM
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We were sitting enjoying lunch and this Bertram 31 decided to motor by ............ timing is everything in life as they say
:)

olredalert
01-03-2016, 11:20 AM
----Where were you, Greg? It looks a lot like Ocean Reef.......Bill S

Greg Guimond
01-03-2016, 11:28 AM
----Where were you, Greg? It looks a lot like Ocean Reef.......Bill S

Correct Ocean Reef, very good eyes Bill. New Years Eve was great fun for us and the children. Here is another picture of the Bertram.

Are the stacks fuel fills that are T'd so you can fill from either side or are they breathers?

Morgan's Cloud
01-03-2016, 01:19 PM
Another wowsa boat I'd love to go over in real life.
Sort of like a B/S Hornet on steroids . It may not be 'practical ' but I bet you feel like a million $ every time you get in the thing .

bertsboat
01-04-2016, 06:04 PM
You will feel like a million bucks because it cost near the to restore this boat. Best of the best here. No corners cut.

HallJ
01-04-2016, 10:30 PM
Correct Ocean Reef, very good eyes Bill. New Years Eve was great fun for us and the children. Here is another picture of the Bertram.

Are the stacks fuel fills that are T'd so you can fill from either side or are they breathers?

Greg, it has multiple tanks. I was crawling all over it when it was being rigged.
the owner is really nice. He's "Bert nice". That's about as nice as you can be without making me puke!

Jeff

olredalert
01-05-2016, 12:58 PM
----Greg,,,I should have gone over New Years as I can see blue skies. Instead, I went on Vintage Weekend. Big mistake! We were there for a week and never saw the sun. Rained every day. Saturday, the day of the show it rained 6, yes 6 inches. The really nice owner of the Bertram has either a house or a condo at OR......Bill S

Greg Guimond
01-09-2016, 07:19 PM
----Greg,,,I should have gone over New Years as I can see blue skies. Instead, I went on Vintage Weekend. Big mistake! We were there for a week and never saw the sun. Rained every day. Saturday, the day of the show it rained 6, yes 6 inches. The really nice owner of the Bertram has either a house or a condo at OR......Bill S

Geez Bill, holy chit ...... 6 inches of rain! I have to say that the weather at OR was darn perfect. We just got very lucky. Wake up, 78 degrees, mid day 83 degrees. The Bertram was tied up behind a condo there. My friend Tom and I had to poke around a bit on the golf cart to find it after we told the gals we were going exploring. We stayed looking at the boat for a good 30 minutes as I knew I had stumbled onto a special piece of history. After we found the Bertram of course we had to reward ourselves with a Reef Cup before Dinner that day. Picture below from New Years Eve courtesy of our 7th grade daughter Cara Grace.

cadillacboats
08-08-2016, 10:37 PM
Originally most had in line 6 Merc I/O's. Later some had twin Volvo small blocks

Ghost
08-08-2016, 10:47 PM
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