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Buddyc
04-12-2011, 06:11 PM
We all know how sweet everyones boat is, How much you clean it and how detail oriented we all are.
What do you tow your boats with? 4x4 Pickup, a vintage GTO or an illegial old box van... Im sure we all have a story to tell? I used to remember my dads old 225 Olds pulling our little fishing boat around... It was a beast of a car.
Pics encouraged...Would love to see

Buddyc
04-12-2011, 06:20 PM
sorry forgot mine. GMC Sierra

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188919_1851082125194_1484990906_2028960_3464882_n. jpg

Rumblefish
04-12-2011, 06:22 PM
Chevrolet Duramax CrewCab Dual rear wheel...

Over kill for most of the trailers and boats I tow. but it has

Zero movement in the back end at any speed.

Dual wheels for great traction on slippery ramps.

And since your forced to take up three parking places, I have no door dents or scratches.....

Offset
04-12-2011, 06:45 PM
2010 Ford F150 5.4 liter 4x4 to pull my Donzi 22'. I must say I am very concerned about using either the boat or truck right at the moment, the price of gas is going to limit what I can do with either one.

DonziJon
04-12-2011, 07:36 PM
2007 Prius Hybrid with posi. :yes: DJ

justleft
04-12-2011, 08:12 PM
front hitch on the Bronco II will put this gal in the way back in the corner !

Yea, it's like cheating

62978

Just Say N20
04-12-2011, 08:38 PM
Dodge Magnum, HEMI :smile:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/streb2005/MagnuminJax.jpg

Carl C
04-12-2011, 09:12 PM
Here's mine:
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/411/pics070medium.jpg (http://img862.imageshack.us/i/pics070medium.jpg/)

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Buddyc
04-12-2011, 10:37 PM
Like that Magnum... Must be a beast with the Hemi?
Geeeze Carl... thats a chit load of snow

Carl C
04-13-2011, 06:52 AM
Geeeze Carl... thats a chit load of snow

It took awhile to find some open water that day ;).

gcarter
04-13-2011, 07:50 AM
Expedition.
Ya go in comfort in one of these.
The picture is dated July, '07.
If only I'd known what I was in for!!!!!!!!!

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30298&d=1184460339

CHACHI
04-13-2011, 08:25 AM
2007 Prius Hybrid with posi. :yes: DJ

DJ, didn't you "spring" for the 8-D cell boost package just for towing? :wink:

Ken

CHACHI
04-13-2011, 08:32 AM
'08 F-150 Lariet.

It just rolled 20K miles


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39649&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1224177939 (http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39649&d=1224177939)

Buddyc
04-13-2011, 08:48 AM
I have a 10 hour drive this weekend to go pickup my 1966 18 2+3 ( rootsys old boat).
I dont even mind getting 12mpg, Its been a long twisted road getting to this point but I cant wait to dig in and get busy. Rootsy has been great through everything... Its refreshing. Cant wait to have a few cold ones talk chit.

Buddyc
04-13-2011, 08:51 AM
'08 F-150 Lariet.

It just rolled 20K miles


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39649&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1224177939 (http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39649&d=1224177939)
Looks great and ill bet tows even better. Nice trailer

Rootsy
04-13-2011, 09:45 AM
07 first half 2500 HD Sierra Duramax is my tow vehicle... Just shy of 19 mpg summer, about 16 mpg winter and will do 14 1/2 with a 30 ' gooseneck w/ 8000 lbs on the deck.

BobinCovington
04-13-2011, 10:05 AM
I think I already posted our picture in another thread...We tow with our "glorified toyota", (Lexus GX 470) but it works great for our little Donzi and isnt too bad on gas mileage.


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60676&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1294199717

DonziJon
04-13-2011, 10:55 AM
DJ, didn't you "spring" for the 8-D cell boost package just for towing? :wink:

Ken

:nilly: :nilly: YUP: I also got the Overdrive and Leather. I didn't want to look like a whus while drivin this bad boy. :bonk: DJ

CHACHI
04-13-2011, 10:56 AM
Looks great and ill bet tows even better. Nice trailer

Trailer tows great.

Hauled the boat from Little Rock to the Thousand Islands (different truck)
and there wasn't even a hint of sway.

Ken

Conquistador_del_mar
04-13-2011, 11:29 AM
I think I already posted our picture in another thread...We tow with our "glorified toyota", (Lexus GX 470) but it works great for our little Donzi and isnt too bad on gas mileage.


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60676&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1294199717

Does your GX 470 get better than 13.5MPG without a load around town? Bill

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 11:38 AM
1998 Dodge 2500 quad cab long bed 4x4. Dynomite Diesel Performance Competition built 12v motor (steel pistons, custom cam, custom fire ringed head and block, 60# valve springs, etc), built 215 P7100 Bosch injection pump (4k springs, DV's, with some secret work done), Custom DDP injectors, twin turbo's, 5" turbo back exhaust, and a very expensive automatic tranny backing it all. Not to forget onboard air in cab adjustable airbags, and 1 ton rear springs. 2.5" Leveling kit, and 35" E rated Toyo M/T's. Needless to say, it does its job pulling the boat.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/fd495578.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/d29483bd.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/12b6454f.jpg

roadtrip se
04-13-2011, 12:25 PM
All the goodies and one of the last ever made. C22 feels like a tinkertoy behind it.

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 12:48 PM
Sixleaker!!!

roadtrip se
04-13-2011, 01:56 PM
Sixleaker!!!

I work with Ford every day. The early 6.0s were iffy, as everyone knows. The Job Two versions were fine. Now, skip maintenance intervals and run twice the rated weight behind them every day, and all bets are off. I'll keep my Ex, over anything else out there today.

BobinCovington
04-13-2011, 02:56 PM
"Does your GX 470 get better than 13.5MPG without a load around town? Bill "

The GX gets anywhere from 15 to 18 I suppose, maybe better on a flat highway (with a tailwind and a small sail on the roof). With the Donzi it doesn't impact the MPG much, but with our 19 foot camping/travel trailer I stopped looking at the MPG gauge readout when it went below 5 going up over the pass. But, coming back down the pass, if I take my foot off the gas, the MPG readout says I'm getting 279 mpg!!!

But it's sure comfortable and easy to drive on a long haul.

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 04:36 PM
I work with Ford every day. The early 6.0s were iffy, as everyone knows. The Job Two versions were fine. Now, skip maintenance intervals and run twice the rated weight behind them every day, and all bets are off. I'll keep my Ex, over anything else out there today.

That's why both ford and international have a class action suit filed against them over the 03-07 6.0? Sorry, they're all anchors, and need about 8k worth of work to even make them right. I'd take a OBS 7.3 over a 06 6.0. I see 10 in the shop a week. Oh, and we had a optioned out 06 with 45k miles it had already gone thru 4 sets of headgaskets, and 3 turbos. 110% pure junk.

roadtrip se
04-13-2011, 04:51 PM
That's why both ford and international have a class action suit filed against them over the 03-07 6.0? Sorry, they're all anchors, and need about 8k worth of work to even make them right. I'd take a OBS 7.3 over a 06 6.0. I see 10 in the shop a week. Oh, and we had a optioned out 06 with 45k miles it had already gone thru 4 sets of headgaskets, and 3 turbos. 110% pure junk.

Dude, I work with the Ford Customer Service Division which includes the warranty and digital imaging groups that work with problem vehicles, both in and out of warranty. So, I see the numbers on the 6.0. They are not as bad as you describe, by any means. Are there issues? Yep. Are they as bad as you describe? Nope. I'll keep mine until Ford or Chevy start building a diesel wagon as an alternative. My "junk" seems to be holding up just fine.

Buddyc
04-13-2011, 05:34 PM
I drove the new Superduty with the 6.8L and it was a beast... Just couldnt see spending that kind of coin if I didnt need all the power. It was an amazing truck

BUIZILLA
04-13-2011, 06:09 PM
I have a GOOD customer down the street from me that I sell parts to that has between 20-30 6.0's in his facility on any given day of the week, in fact I was there yesterday, and there was over 20 in the building and about 8-10 outside... he has 5 on lifts right now with the body's off, and 10-12 just waiting on those to get done.. I had 2 VT365's (6.0's) Navistar 4200 box trucks in my shop this past week, one the week before, and another coming tomorrow...

gmcars10
04-13-2011, 06:38 PM
Chevrolet 3500 Duramax Dually. Can't tell if there's anything behind me ....except when I make a sharp turn!

sweet 16 1966
04-13-2011, 06:40 PM
My Pathfinder -4.0 - pulls the 22 just OK. 20mpg w/no boat and 12-13 with boat.
147,000 SO FAR.

I use our work truck some- -2002 7.3 powerstroke - WOW. The thing gets 15 towing. Does not break a sweat- what a beast.

zelatore
04-13-2011, 07:13 PM
'05 Ram 1500, 2wd, hemi, quad cab.

No real problems with the 22, but the 33 Regal was a challenge getting up the ramp...


However, I expect I'll sell this next year and be reduced to towing with her company car: 2011 Chevy Traverse awd. I haven't pulled more than 500 lbs with it yet so no real input, but just driving it without a load it can't maintain highway speeds without downshifting, so I expect it will bring the suck.

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 07:34 PM
I drove the new Superduty with the 6.8L and it was a beast... Just couldnt see spending that kind of coin if I didnt need all the power. It was an amazing truck
v-10 or 6.7 diesel?

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 07:36 PM
I have a GOOD customer down the street from me that I sell parts to that has between 20-30 6.0's in his facility on any given day of the week, in fact I was there yesterday, and there was over 20 in the building and about 8-10 outside... he has 5 on lifts right now with the body's off, and 10-12 just waiting on those to get done.. I had 2 VT365's (6.0's) Navistar 4200 box trucks in my shop this past week, one the week before, and another coming tomorrow...


6.0's have made many people rich, just not anyone who owns one.

Buddyc
04-13-2011, 08:05 PM
v-10 or 6.7 diesel?
Im sorry it was the new Diesel. I dont think they make the V10 anymore.
The diesel was a beast and had balls

roadtrip se
04-13-2011, 08:09 PM
I have a GOOD customer down the street from me that I sell parts to that has between 20-30 6.0's in his facility on any given day of the week, in fact I was there yesterday, and there was over 20 in the building and about 8-10 outside... he has 5 on lifts right now with the body's off, and 10-12 just waiting on those to get done.. I had 2 VT365's (6.0's) Navistar 4200 box trucks in my shop this past week, one the week before, and another coming tomorrow...


The Job One 6.0 build, 2003, 2004, and early 2005 was a mess. The Job Two 6.0 was not. This was MY2005 and 2006 in HD Truck and 2007 in HD Van. The Job 2 had less, that is LESS, warranty claims than any other engine in the Ford line. The lifecycle numbers also continue to back this up. My Ex is a Job 2 6.0 and has given great service, as most have. And the statistics back it up. But being in the business, you probably knew this already.

BUIZILLA
04-13-2011, 08:40 PM
Todd, the 3 VT365's this month already were all 2007's and belonged to the School Board, no less than 4 mandatory TSB's outstanding, every one needs between 1-3 injectors, 2 FICM's, 2 ICP's and mileage is under 49,000 on one, and 35,000 on 2....

MDWS alone has 27 2005ish F450 6.0's, every single one has had debillatating failiures of sorts, every one, especially fuel tanks, EGR coolers, oil coolers, and FICM's, at one point last summer 75% of the fleet was down for a month to 3 months each..

the ambulance/rescue service in Grand Cayman has a few 6.0's, every single one is parked right now, every one... they bought other brand vehicles,,, Antigua, Nevis, and St Kitt's all have their own fire / rescue truck malady's right now

virtually no rescue or ambulance services in the country use this package for reliability reasons..

i'm glad to put you in touch with the MD-GSA or MDWS fleet mgr's for his opinion of the absolute worst engine in the history of Miami Dade GSA fleet

and we have a 2008 6.4 that ate a cam lobe and lifter..

don't even get me started on 2007 6.7 Cummins Utilimasters with DPF canister failures.. 2 this week already

come one down, i'll show you some facts :)

you just got lucky

Fishermanjm
04-13-2011, 08:41 PM
98 2500 ram truck here. Did the drive train
over four years ago now. The taxes are low on
it an it pulls like a bitch. Have to stop at every
gas station. Drinks it up fast

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 11:01 PM
Todd, the 3 VT365's this month already were all 2007's and belonged to the School Board, no less than 4 mandatory TSB's outstanding, every one needs between 1-3 injectors, 2 FICM's, 2 ICP's and mileage is under 49,000 on one, and 35,000 on 2....

MDWS alone has 27 2005ish F450 6.0's, every single one has had debillatating failiures of sorts, every one, especially fuel tanks, EGR coolers, oil coolers, and FICM's, at one point last summer 75% of the fleet was down for a month to 3 months each..

the ambulance/rescue service in Grand Cayman has a few 6.0's, every single one is parked right now, every one... they bought other brand vehicles,,, Antigua, Nevis, and St Kitt's all have their own fire / rescue truck malady's right now

virtually no rescue or ambulance services in the country use this package for reliability reasons..

i'm glad to put you in touch with the MD-GSA or MDWS fleet mgr's for his opinion of the absolute worst engine in the history of Miami Dade GSA fleet

and we have a 2008 6.4 that ate a cam lobe and lifter..

don't even get me started on 2007 6.7 Cummins Utilimasters with DPF canister failures.. 2 this week already

come one down, i'll show you some facts :)

you just got lucky



I've got a great solution for DPF's, its called a sawzall and a tuner. MPG doubles, power goes way up, and they don't have the problems. Illegal, who cares, DPF's are a joke.


And don't tell me ANY 6.0 is the most reliable motor Ford has ever put out. I'd rather own a V-8 Super Duty then a 6.0, atleast it will stay running more then 10k miles at a time.

You got lucky, there's people who never had problems with their Audi's too, that doesn't mean they're reliable.

CaribouLou
04-13-2011, 11:02 PM
The Job One 6.0 build, 2003, 2004, and early 2005 was a mess. The Job Two 6.0 was not. This was MY2005 and 2006 in HD Truck and 2007 in HD Van. The Job 2 had less, that is LESS, warranty claims than any other engine in the Ford line. The lifecycle numbers also continue to back this up. My Ex is a Job 2 6.0 and has given great service, as most have. And the statistics back it up. But being in the business, you probably knew this already.


Just to stress this, I'm going to send you atleast 5 "job two" 6.0's that are unabused stock units with major failures every week until you understand you won the lotto.

BUIZILLA
04-14-2011, 07:08 AM
I've got a great solution for DPF's, its called a sawzall and a tuner. MPG doubles, power goes way up, and they don't have the problems. Illegal, who cares, DPF's are a joke.
the UtiliMaster DPF canister is a 3 stage unit with honeycomb in all 3 stages, not going to state what I did, but there is now ZERO backpressure across the 3 stages.... which the ECM has now flagged a code because it's SUPPOSED to have backpressure :mad: but boy does this aluminum garbage can haul a$$ now... :convertib: and it saved the customer $3000 per truck..

Ed Donnelly
04-14-2011, 09:46 AM
Been doing a fine job for 11 yrs now....Ed

zelatore
04-14-2011, 09:54 AM
You got lucky, there's people who never had problems with their Audi's too, that doesn't mean they're reliable.


Hey now, no need to go baggin' on Audis....even if we did have to do all the injectors in our A4 3.0

mrfixxall
04-14-2011, 10:16 AM
me..1992 Gmc suburban 2500 4x4 c6p pkg 7.4 liter big block tbi..heavy duty everything...10 mpg around town,10 mpg towing,in town or the hwy,, if i keep it @ 69 mph i will get 14 mpg on the hwy..i have watched the o meter roll over a few times,,this has been the best vehicle i have ever owned and even tho it has a ton of miles on it i would drive it to cali and back and never have a second thought weather its going to make it or not..

CaribouLou
04-14-2011, 10:47 AM
Hey now, no need to go baggin' on Audis....even if we did have to do all the injectors in our A4 3.0


Just thank the lord you don't own a B5 S4 :D

Craig S
04-14-2011, 11:22 AM
You got lucky, there's people who never had problems with their Audi's too, that doesn't mean they're reliable.

Thats funny!!!

Rootsy
04-14-2011, 12:34 PM
Our F350 6 liter shop truck is on it's 3rd set of injectors... Has had countless re-flashes... Barely wants to start below 80F....

zelatore
04-14-2011, 02:32 PM
Just thank the lord you don't own a B5 S4 :D

Hey, I'd be willing to put up with some annoyance for an S4. Well, maybe for and RS4. :kingme:

But back to the topic at hand, what's the hot pick these days for HD trucks?

We know the old 6.0s are, uh, not the favorite. But I haven't heard anything about the new F-series diesels yet. Perhaps just not enough in service so far.

All I ever hear about Dodges these days is the new stuff isn't half the engine the old 12v was.

And GM...well, I figure there's a reason no actual work trucks are based on GMs. :wink:

This is purely curiosity. I'm in no position to buy a new truck right now, and don't need a 1-ton even if I were. I'm just thinking ahead to when I win the powerball and need to to a goose-neck 2-car hauler for my track days.

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 03:24 PM
Hey, I'd be willing to put up with some annoyance for an S4. Well, maybe for and RS4. :kingme:

But back to the topic at hand, what's the hot pick these days for HD trucks?

We know the old 6.0s are, uh, not the favorite. But I haven't heard anything about the new F-series diesels yet. Perhaps just not enough in service so far.

All I ever hear about Dodges these days is the new stuff isn't half the engine the old 12v was.

And GM...well, I figure there's a reason no actual work trucks are based on GMs. :wink:

This is purely curiosity. I'm in no position to buy a new truck right now, and don't need a 1-ton even if I were. I'm just thinking ahead to when I win the powerball and need to to a goose-neck 2-car hauler for my track days.

Duramax + Allison = No substitute. Same engine going on 12 years. No other HD truck can say that. 396hp 765 Ft lbs of proven work truck.

bertsboat
04-14-2011, 03:49 PM
I know its a 1/2 ton (really a 1/4 ton) but it tows like a bear. It only gets 10 MPG though. AWD 6.0 liter. Love them.

roadtrip se
04-14-2011, 04:16 PM
because they invariably go in the same direction. Frankly, I find it interesting to see what people use to pull their pride and joys, even though alot of them would not be my first choice in a tow vehicle.

Caribou Lou, I think I got the point that you don't like the 6.0. One derogatory statement was enough, ie. your "Sixleaker" comment, even though it wasn't necessary. If there was ever a quota for going over the line and calling somebody a certified dumb ass here, I think you are over it with five total comments directed at my postive comments about the 6.0. I will call it like I see it and you have been overtly obnoxious and generally unfriendly to someone that shares a common interest with you in Donzis. You can stop any time you like, as I think you have more than made your point and at this point I am tuning out your comments any way, because I don't particularily like being called a dumb ass in a public forum by someone I don't know.

Buizilla, while I respect your opinion, your sledgehammer approach to the arguement reminds me of a statment credited to Stephen Wright. "Two people can argue about room temperature, but in the end it will still be room temperature". My "luck" is backed up by Ford Customer Service Division statistics. I am not the one happy 6.0 customer out there, and amazingly enough fleets are still buying Ford diesel trucks by the thousands, so the bomb of the 6.0 could not have been as dramatic as a lot of folks like to spout on about. I have the stats, to back it up, but they are not mine to share on a public forum, as they belong to Ford. You would be very surprised by the low number of buy backs for the entire 6.0 program and the warranty record for the MY and post-2005. Happy to discuss it this weekend with you, but you will have to leave your sledgehammer in Miami.

I, for one, would love to see a Donzi behind an Audi!

CaribouLou
04-14-2011, 04:18 PM
Duramax + Allison = No substitute. Same engine going on 12 years. No other HD truck can say that. 396hp 765 Ft lbs of proven work truck.


Um, the Duramelt has been redesigned 5 or 6 times, and the 'Allison' is just a crappy GM unit that's just more expensive to replace. Sorry, that's far from proven. The 1/2 tie rods also scream heavy duty.

Give me a 07 F350 with a 12v and a ZF6 in it.

CaribouLou
04-14-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm not saying you're a dumbass. What part of I owned one don't you understand. I love those excursion's, wonderful tow rig, just seen so many of those motors fail over and over again. The fact you are so quick to defend it with all your 'facts' tell me you already know what everyone is going to say. I've owned 6 diesels in the past 8 years. 3 7.3 fords, the 6.0 Ex, my 24v Cummins and my 12v. I'll be the first to tell you the Fords were way better trucks, just couldn't match the power, durability and economy of the Cummins.


because they invariably go in the same direction. Frankly, I find it interesting to see what people use to pull their pride and joys, even though alot of them would not be my first choice in a tow vehicle.
Caribou Lou, I think I got the point that you don't like the 6.0. One derogatory statement was enough, ie. your "Sixleaker" comment, even though it wasn't necessary. If there was ever a quota for going over the line and calling somebody a certified dumb ass here, I think you are over it with five total comments directed at my postive comments about the 6.0. I will call it like I see it and you have been overtly obnoxious and generally unfriendly to someone that shares a common interest with you in Donzis. You can stop any time you like, as I think you have more than made your point and at this point I am tuning out your comments any way, because I don't particularily like being called a dumb ass in a public forum by someone I don't know.
Buizilla, while I respect your opinion, your sledgehammer approach to the arguement reminds me of a statment credited to Stephen Wright. "Two people can argue about room temperature, but in the end it will still be room temperature". My "luck" is backed up by Ford Customer Service Division statistics. I am not the one happy 6.0 customer out there, and amazingly enough fleets are still buying Ford diesel trucks by the thousands, so the bomb of the 6.0 could not have been as dramatic as a lot of folks like to spout on about. I have the stats, to back it up, but they are not mine to share on a public forum, as they belong to Ford. You would be very surprised by the low number of buy backs for the entire 6.0 program and the warranty record for the MY and post-2005. Happy to discuss it this weekend with you, but you will have to leave your sledgehammer in Miami.
I, for one, would love to see a Donzi behind an Audi!

CaribouLou
04-14-2011, 05:13 PM
Infact, since you're having such good luck, just remember if you do ever have to do headgaskets, make sure you do ARP studs and get rid of that EGR cooler. No hard feelings!

HOWARD O
04-14-2011, 05:21 PM
I lucked out on my '03 F250 6.0 152k miles on it now, been tuned for about 100k of those and aside from a few injectors, it has without a doubt been the most dependable vehicle I've ever owned. It's fast, too! I plan on keeping it a loooooonnnggggg time! (it's PAID for) :wink:

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 05:45 PM
Um, the Duramelt has been redesigned 5 or 6 times, and the 'Allison' is just a crappy GM unit that's just more expensive to replace. Sorry, that's far from proven. The 1/2 tie rods also scream heavy duty.

Give me a 07 F350 with a 12v and a ZF6 in it.

Saying they have been redesigned is a stretch to say the least. Modified....adjusted....updated would be more accurate. Yes, the GM truck has evolved, better breaking, more power,

6 speed Allison trans, better tie rods. Here is a little reading to back up my claim, and oh yea.......... 2011 Motor Trend Truck of the Year. Ford builds a very good truck. One day they will have a power train to match.



http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010-heavyduty-shootout.html

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html

HOWARD O
04-14-2011, 05:51 PM
Um, the Duramelt has been redesigned 5 or 6 times, and the 'Allison' is just a crappy GM unit that's just more expensive to replace. Sorry, that's far from proven. The 1/2 tie rods also scream heavy duty.
Give me a 07 F350 with a 12v and a ZF6 in it.

Obnoxious much? :confused:

gmcars10
04-14-2011, 06:01 PM
http://www.chevrolet.com/hd-to-hd-truck-comparison

Ouch!

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 06:07 PM
http://www.chevrolet.com/hd-to-hd-truck-comparison

Ouch!


That is a nice comparison also. I did not want to post it simply based on it being a GM site. I figured there would be negative feed back. But it does tell a tale.

gmcars10
04-14-2011, 06:17 PM
I know what you mean. No hiding the fact Chevy hired the independent testing agency and will only air what serves their purpose. Still interesting. No different when you see Toyota's haulling what appears to be litterly tons of cargo up and down steep imaginary courses.
All entertaining and we will believe what we believe :angel::angel:

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 06:24 PM
I know what you mean. No hiding the fact Chevy hired the independent testing agency and will only air what serves their purpose. Still interesting. No different when you see Toyota's haulling what appears to be litterly tons of cargo up and down steep imaginary courses.
All entertaining and we will believe what we believe :angel::angel:
But the nay sayers have gone quiet. 63055

BobinCovington
04-14-2011, 06:24 PM
Roadtrip, hopefully you don't take things the wrong way, I have had my Donzi in the same water with Caribou and he has been a good guy (and helped me out of a few jams).
I don't want to speak for him, but I am pretty sure it was just some good ol' fashioned ribbing. We are all brothers on here with a common thread of our love for these great boats. Think of it as a compliment, kind of like when your sibling or best friend gives you a hard time. Heck I pull my boat with a Lexus "sissy" rig and get some flack once in a while, but I still have fun.

Giving people crap is part of the "friend code" isn't it?

<please don't flame me, I'm just trying to keep the peace.>

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 06:27 PM
Giving people crap is part of the "friend code" isn't it?

I think so. 63056

GBond
04-14-2011, 06:38 PM
06 Denali 6.0 AWD 38k with no issues. As a primary tow vehicle for a classic anything heavier, I feel would be overkill... IMO.

CaribouLou
04-14-2011, 06:46 PM
Believe what you want. My best friend tows his 25' Mirage 257 with his 07.5 GMC 2500. It has 56,000 miles, is stock and babied, and is on its 3rd tranny. Granted, ATS did mess up on the first one. I love the truck, quiet, great power, tranny is nice when it works, but its already showing signs up front of heavy wear. I did hear the 2011 has a much better front end design, and the new "version" of the Duramax is hard to beat for out of the box power.


I wouldn't call it obnoxious, you have to understand this is what I've been doing for years. I eat, sleep, and breathe diesel. That could possibly explain the brain damage ;).

Thanks for sticking up for me Bob, if you ever want to trade that "sissy" Lexus for a real truck, I'd be happy to take you up on that. I'll be at Scotties on Saturday if you want to stop by.

If/when we all meet, beers will be on me :yes:

BUIZILLA
04-14-2011, 06:51 PM
uhh Todd, let's have a discussion on whats OUT OF WARRANTY, and what people are hung out to dry with...

under warranty stats mean nothing, because if they fixed them under warranty, which they could track, they wouldn't grenade OUT OF WARRANTY

commercial vehicle warranty dies at 36k...

my customers and fleets have stacks of customer paid invoices to back it up :)

in fact, we had another one come in today :pimp: another EGR cooler and oil cooler on the way.. :kingme: 39,448 miles, this will be the third EGR cooler, nasty job

and we sold two 6.0 turbo's today, cash and carry

if there wasn't so many failures, then why does EVERY major vehicle lift manuf. make Ford specific cab lifting kits?? now, that's an unprecendented fact that Ford isn't tracking :bighug:

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 07:00 PM
Believe what you want. My best friend tows his 25' Mirage 257 with his 07.5 GMC 2500. It has 56,000 miles, is stock and babied, and is on its 3rd tranny. Granted, ATS did mess up on the first one. I love the truck, quiet, great power, tranny is nice when it works, but its already showing signs up front of heavy wear. I did hear the 2011 has a much better front end design, and the new "version" of the Duramax is hard to beat for out of the box power.


I wouldn't call it obnoxious, you have to understand this is what I've been doing for years. I eat, sleep, and breathe diesel. That could possibly explain the brain damage ;).

Thanks for sticking up for me Bob, if you ever want to trade that "sissy" Lexus for a real truck, I'd be happy to take you up on that. I'll be at Scotties on Saturday if you want to stop by.

If/when we all meet, beers will be on me :yes:

I will be the first to admit there are good and bad in every design. I think the key to the Chevy sucsess is that instead of reinventing the wheel every couple years they have refined and improved on what they have. When you start all over from scratch,............. well........... you have started all over from scratch.

CaribouLou
04-14-2011, 07:08 PM
uhh Todd, let's have a discussion on whats OUT OF WARRANTY, and what people are hung out to dry with...

under warranty stats mean nothing, because if they fixed them under warranty, which they could track, they wouldn't grenade OUT OF WARRANTY

commercial vehicle warranty dies at 36k...

my customers and fleets have stacks of customer paid invoices to back it up :)

in fact, we had another one come in today :pimp: another EGR cooler and oil cooler on the way.. :kingme: 39,448 miles, this will be the third EGR cooler, nasty job

and we sold two 6.0 turbo's today, cash and carry

if there wasn't so many failures, then why does EVERY major vehicle lift manuf. make Ford specific cab lifting kits?? now, that's an unprecendented fact that Ford isn't tracking :bighug:

Ever done 6.0 heads on an Ex or a Econoline? Worst thing I've ever seen :bonk:



I will be the first to admit there are good and bad in every design. I think the key to the Chevy sucsess is that instead of reinventing the wheel every couple years they have refined and improved on what they have. When you start all over from scratch,............. well........... you have started all over from scratch.


I totally agree. Where I'll give Dodge that same credit is the Cummins, and a very similar 4link coil solid axle setup up front. Ford I'll give credit to the Super Duty is still the same basic truck it was in '99, just more 'refined' as you put it.

To be honest, in 2011, I'd be more then happy to own a 6.7 Ford, 6.7 Dodge, or a 6.6 Chevy/GMC. I'd probably go with the Denali or the King Ranch. Hard to go wrong these days :crossfing:

BobinCovington
04-14-2011, 07:11 PM
While we are at it, I think my dad's first tow vehicle for our 16 footer back in the 60s was quite possibly a 64 Ford Thunderbird and then followed by I think a 68 Thunderbird way before we ever had a family "SUV" or truck.

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 07:23 PM
When I was a kid, dad pulled the Welcraft with a Bonneville. Now that was a sweet tow vehicle! :bonk:

roadtrip se
04-14-2011, 07:23 PM
uhh Todd, let's have a discussion on whats OUT OF WARRANTY, and what people are hung out to dry with...

under warranty stats mean nothing, because if they fixed them under warranty, which they could track, they wouldn't grenade OUT OF WARRANTY

commercial vehicle warranty dies at 36k...

my customers and fleets have stacks of customer paid invoices to back it up :)

in fact, we had another one come in today :pimp: another EGR cooler and oil cooler on the way.. :kingme: 39,448 miles, this will be the third EGR cooler, nasty job

and we sold two 6.0 turbo's today, cash and carry

if there wasn't so many failures, then why does EVERY major vehicle lift manuf. make Ford specific cab lifting kits?? now, that's an unprecendented fact that Ford isn't tracking :bighug:

Okay, so you don't think every major fleet lease company, and I mean majors like PHH or GE, doesn't call the OEM when they see a trend in failures across their vehicles, even when out of warranty, expecting reimbursement? Implied threat is, we won't order any more of your vehicles or a lot less of 'em. It happens all of the time.

Davidmnc
04-14-2011, 07:28 PM
Okay, so you don't think every major fleet lease company, and I mean majors like PHH or GE, doesn't call the OEM when they see a trend in failures across their vehicles, even when out of warranty, expecting reimbursement? Implied threat is, we won't order any more of your vehicles or a lot less of 'em. It happens all of the time.


I'm sure they do. We are a large GM (top 5) fleet dealer. And most fleet companies don't run the trucks much past warranty any way. And most run gas engines to boot.

mrfixxall
04-14-2011, 07:35 PM
Our F350 6 liter shop truck is on it's 3rd set of injectors... Has had countless re-flashes... Barely wants to start below 80F....


needs a idm ;)

Bobby D
04-14-2011, 07:49 PM
Although I don’t have a picture of my dad’s 1963 421 tri power Pontiac Grand Prix towing a 1955 21 foot Trojan that’s the vehicle I will always remember.

yeller
04-14-2011, 08:30 PM
I had a 78 Bronco 400ci auto to tow my 16.

I was going to use the yellow bronco (460, C6) for my 22C but never finished the project. Please don't blast me for the garage......I know it's a mess. Wife told me that every single day :nilly:

I now use a 2007 Nissan Frontier. Not the one pictured, but same thing. Although it's smaller and lighter than the Ram 1500 it replaced, it has more power and even brakes better. I was concerned it might be too small, but it's turned out to be a great tow vehicle. Slows down somewhat one the major hills, but overall does real well

Phil S
04-14-2011, 10:42 PM
I tow with my amphibious vehicle ! :) Just kidding...I put bumpers everywhere and on everything when I launch ! :)

Call it a sissy vehicle if you want, but this one has 247k on it. Brakes, batteries, belts & fluids have been replaced. Oh, and one window roller thing-ama-jig. The cd player is the only thing on it that doesn't work, which really pisses me off, 6-disc changer and it ate my favorite Herb Alpert cd !!!

16-17 mpg around town....averaged 11 and 12 mpg pulling the boat to FL & back last week.

I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.....anybody got the 5.7 litre version ?

Phil S.

Buddyc
04-14-2011, 10:51 PM
I tow with my amphibious vehicle ! :) Just kidding...I put bumpers everywhere and on everything when I launch ! :)

Call it a sissy vehicle if you want, but this one has 247k on it. Brakes, batteries, belts & fluids have been replaced. Oh, and one window roller thing-ama-jig. The cd player is the only thing on it that doesn't work, which really pisses me off, 6-disc changer and it ate my favorite Herb Alpert cd !!!

16-17 mpg around town....averaged 11 and 12 mpg pulling the boat to FL & back last week.

I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.....anybody got the 5.7 litre version ?

Phil S.
Thats great. Love the pic

gcarter
04-15-2011, 06:06 AM
I know nothing about the last three or four generations of Diesel pickups available in the market. I couldn't afford one anyway, they seem to be very expensive compared to the gas versions.
But I'm w/Don on this.......
If I won the Lotto Saturday and wanted to buy one, what would be the best to purchase?????
In the first reading of everything above, it seems like they all suck.
Either engines, head gaskets, engine accessories, or transmissilns are all a pile of dog poop.
Could it be the mfgrs are trying to extract too much from them? The HP figures I read above seem astounding to me, particularly when you're thinking of 6.0L. Race cars don't do so well.

Rumblefish
04-15-2011, 09:13 AM
I know nothing about the last three or four generations of Diesel pickups available in the market. I couldn't afford one anyway, they seem to be very expensive compared to the gas versions.
But I'm w/Don on this.......
If I won the Lotto Saturday and wanted to buy one, what would be the best to purchase?????
In the first reading of everything above, it seems like they all suck.
Either engines, head gaskets, engine accessories, or transmissilns are all a pile of dog poop.
Could it be the mfgrs are trying to extract too much from them? The HP figures I read above seem astounding to me, particularly when you're thinking of 6.0L. Race cars don't do so well.

Yes .. new Diesel Truck ratings are with a doubt wowing to say the least.. But very realistic.

The days of Burnt rear end covers and transmission horror stories are becoming a thing of the past.. Better components and the need for Manufacturers to say "just put gas in and go" have created less warranty in the industry. as result They all build a better Mouse trap.

I am a Service Manager for a Large GM dealer in Northern California, and although I am dedicated to the GM line of trucks, all of the Big three Diesels have thier place.

Failures are due mostly to the consumer modifications of what was already a set standard by the Manufacturer. Exceeding gvwr and installing power adders are the most common thing we see in regard to failure.

I cant speak for the other Brands but in the competition to be the best , they like I said all have there place now in realistic towing capacity and reliabilty.

zelatore
04-15-2011, 11:49 AM
Yes .. new Diesel Truck ratings are with a doubt wowing to say the least.. But very realistic.

I don't have any real experience with 1 tons; my last three trucks have been 1/2 tons (two Fords and my current Dodge).

What kills me is how much the new 1/2 tons are rated to tow.

F150 - 11,300
Ram 1500 - 10,450
Chevy 1500 - 10,700

I know 1/2 ton trucks (just like every other vehicle, much to my disappointment) are bigger every year but 10,000+ tow ratings seem a tad optimistic.

My current Dodge is rated at 8500 lbs. I've had it over that for very short tows (you've seen my pics with the 33 Regal, but I towed it about 4 blocks from the ramp to my office lot where a 1 ton dually Dodge took over). I've towed closer to that 8500 lb rating in a couple of 28' flybridge boats up to about 60 miles at a go. And it wasn't fun. The truck was really struggling up relatively modest grades at only a few hundred feet elevation.

While the new half tons offer more power than my '05, they also weigh more themselves. I just can't imagine towing that kind of weight with a half ton truck. Seems to me like the marketing people have really ratcheted up the competition knowing that the average truck buyer never actually tows more than his lawn mower but likes to brag about statistics. They are (I assume) betting that anybody who actually tows serious weight will jump up to the bigger trucks anyway.

As for Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge.....I grew up a Ford guy. If I don't buy a Ford, I can accapt a Dodge (neutral), but I could never buy a Chevy (the enemy).

But just between you and me, the GMC Denali has been turning my head recently.

Rumblefish
04-15-2011, 12:07 PM
I don't have any real experience with 1 tons; my last three trucks have been 1/2 tons (two Fords and my current Dodge).

What kills me is how much the new 1/2 tons are rated to tow.

F150 - 11,300
Ram 1500 - 10,450
Chevy 1500 - 10,700

But just between you and me, the GMC Denali has been turning my head recently.

Hey Don!.. Come over to the GM side.. They do have air conditioned seats In the Denali plus the 6.2L 403hp Motor.

Remember on tow rating.. Manufacturers mostly use Weight distribution capacity as the rating.. not just on the tounge.. it includes the Weight distribution hitch etc..

zelatore
04-15-2011, 12:29 PM
Hey Don!.. Come over to the GM side.. They do have air conditioned seats In the Denali plus the 6.2L 403hp Motor.



I'll think about it, but i don't think it would be worth it when I factor in the cost of the doorman.

I'll need him, because if I buy a GM truck I'll be scared to answer my own door knowing one day I'll open it and my brother will be standing there waiting to sucker punch me then ask 'what were you thinking?' :wink:

mrfixxall
04-15-2011, 01:09 PM
http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/smart-monster-car.jpg


:kingme::kingme::kingme:

Davidmnc
04-15-2011, 01:18 PM
One other thing most don't know is how a tow rating is generated. It's a hypothetical number dreamed up by engineers. So it's pretty much BS any way. BUT in 2013 the government has mandated a common formula for calculating tow ratings. I can't wait to see how the numbers shake down then.

Davidmnc
04-15-2011, 01:22 PM
I'll think about it, but i don't think it would be worth it when I factor in the cost of the doorman.

I'll need him, because if I buy a GM truck I'll be scared to answer my own door knowing one day I'll open it and my brother will be standing there waiting to sucker punch me then ask 'what were you thinking?' :wink:

When you get back up, take him for a ride, and let the cooled seats do the talking for you!!! They are GREAT!

osur866
04-17-2011, 11:12 PM
02' Chevy 2500 HD 8.1 Allison transmission has served me well, I pretty much get 11-12 mpg's pulling the 18 or just driving down the highway @ 70 ish.
Not my daily driver so don't care much on the fuel.
Steve

mrfixxall
04-18-2011, 01:12 AM
02' Chevy 2500 HD 8.1 Allison transmission has served me well, I pretty much get 11-12 mpg's pulling the 18 or just driving down the highway @ 70 ish.
Not my daily driver so don't care much on the fuel.
Steve

Put 285/75/16 tires on it,jack the front torsion bars 5 turns and you will get about 2-3 more mpg's,,when calculating your mpg use a gps and you will see :)

Tom Davis
04-20-2011, 03:33 PM
I thought this thread was supposed to be about "what do you tow your Donzi with..." NOT who makes the crappiest Diesel :shocking::nilly:

So here it is: 2001 Dodge 1500 Custom with 2500 drivetrain heavy duty everything and the biggest V8 (GAS) they offered at the time! Short bed , short cab, tow vehicle... Matches the boat in every way right down to the licence plate (DONZI)!

Tom Davis
Winni Bandit

MOP
04-20-2011, 08:15 PM
Cool thread that does run the gambit of tow toys! My last two have been GM subs a 98 and now a 2002 both with two wheel and posi, I have been on some great and some super poor ramps with -0- issues. If I am easy on the pedal I get 15+ in town ans a shave under 21 hwy, towing through mostly hilly stuff going upstate NY to the 1K runs 13 on both. My kid has the same 02 Chevy with 4X4, babying it he gets 11 town 16 hwy not sure about his towing mpg.

Greg Guimond
04-20-2011, 08:56 PM
Well, you could always do what I do and tow with a rag top. Front wheel drive, enough torque to rip the wheels out of your hands, 23 towing and 28 cruising and bought all day long in mint condition for under $10k.

2002 Saab Viggen Convertible - 2.3 HO Turbo
230HP
258TQ
With Factory Hitch Rated at 3300lbs