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MOP
04-05-2011, 06:55 PM
Pardon the cut & Paste!


Senator Eyes Collector Cars as Revenue Source
New York Times article Mar.28, 2011

Auto Enthusiasts who dodge taxes are in Schumer's crosshairs

Washington, D.C. - AP. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) held a press conference today in the Capitol's rotunda and stated that he is in the process of drafting a bill that will create a federal tax on all collector, antique, historic, special interest, hot rods and race cars. "This country is operating at a huge budget deficit," said Senator Schumer, "thanks to the previous administration's failure to seek new sources of revenue. We can no longer continue to just raise the taxes we already have. We are reaching the point of diminishing returns. We must find new sources of revenue. "There are more than one million collector cars in this country,"said Schumer, "and many of them are unregistered and untaxed. These vehicles represent sometimes sizeable assets which often appreciate from sale to sale. Much of these capital gains remain untaxed. It's about time these collectors—all of whom are rich—begin to pay their fair share. I've never heard of a poor person owning a Corvette, Ferrari, Deusenberg or Cobra."Citing the results of this year'sautomobile auctions in Scottsdale,Arizona as an example,where reported sales were in the tens of millions of dollars,Schumer said, "We're not talking about rusty old clunkers, here. Some of these cars represent the pinnacle of automotive history. Collectors who buy and sell them often do so privately. Some transactions are in cash and others include trades. All of these are under the Internal Revenue Service's radar. Well, that will soon end."Each state has different laws and requirements for collector cars. Those which tax them as personal property often use outdated values. An owner can pay taxes on a car the state determines is worth $5,000 and then turn around and sell it for $100,000 or more. Until now, all of this has been the purview of each state. Schumer's law will sidestep all state laws by levying a federal tax in addition to anything the individual states do. This new federal tax will be similar to the present federal tax on gasoline, which is in addition to whatever a state assesses. Part of the Schumer law includes the IRS opening up a special department to deal with collector cars. Values will be calculated annually and owners will be required to list all cars they own on their 1040 tax form. Because not all vehicles are registered, and thus may not be known to the individual states' motor vehicles departments—especially race cars which are not driven on public roads—the IRS will make use of the existing network of individual collector car enthusiast organizations across the country. Many of these car clubs maintain accurate registries which detail each car by its vehicle identification number and present or last known owner and their location. Assembling an all-inclusive federal database in conjunction with these registries will be one of the first steps in implementing the new law. Once the database of owners is cross-referenced with an annual index of current collector car values, every collector or race car in the country can be taxed at a fair rate. Initially, Schumer says, it will be 10% but that would rise depending on the type of car, number produced and condition. "Collectors are willing to pay more for certain cars," said Schumer, "because of their history or the small number that were produced. These factors increase a vehicle's worth to buyers, so why should these cars not be taxed at a higher rate? It's no different than our current progressive income tax rate."It is estimated that an annual10% tax on all collector cars presently owned by American taxpayers—at their prevailing market value—would be more than $250,000,000. In four years the coffers of the federal government could be fattened by a billion dollars. "That's only a conservative estimate," saidSchumer. "Nobody knows exactly how many collector cars are out there. But by this time next year, WE will know. Owners of these cars will finally have to pay up.Their free ride—on the backs of the poor—is over."

Just Say N20
04-05-2011, 07:02 PM
I sent this reply to someone earlier today when I read this post.

What an *$$hole! This sentence clearly defines why he (and most of the others) shouldn't be allowed to hold a public office. "This country is operating at a huge budget deficit," said Senator Schumer, "thanks to the previous administration's failure to seek new sources of revenue.

These douchebags don't understand it isn't a REVENUE problem. It is a SPENDING problem. We are paying a gazillion times more taxes on EVERYTHING than our parents did, and they still claim not to have enough money.

And as far as I can tell, all the trillions of additional dollars in unconstitutional spending they have added over the last 50 years has only led to the more rapid collapse of our society. They haven't improved anything, except maybe their own personal wealth.

cutwater
04-05-2011, 08:06 PM
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62960

Tidbart
04-05-2011, 08:24 PM
Why do we never hear the words "stop spending" from any of these azzholes.

Tidbart
04-05-2011, 08:26 PM
And by the way, the people who profit from these collectibles are already bound by law to pay a capital gains tax.

Tidbart
04-05-2011, 08:27 PM
Even if it was a hoax....:wink:

LuauLounge
04-05-2011, 08:27 PM
Why do we never hear the words "stop spending" from any of these azzholes.

Because they are looking for new revenue streams...

Carl C
04-05-2011, 09:19 PM
Even if it was a hoax....:wink:

WTF? You can get into a used Corvette for $7,000 or so. I say hoax and if not, it will never pass. This reminds me of the rumors of making everyone list their firearms on their tax return.

MOP
04-06-2011, 05:16 AM
Glad this did turn out to be a hoax, but knowing Schumer the hoax may give that fool ideas he is whacked to the inth degree.

CHACHI
04-06-2011, 05:49 AM
While an motion like this wouldn't suprise me at all, personally I am breathing easier.

Thanks Cutwater.

Ken

Fishermanjm
04-06-2011, 07:23 AM
Hey,,, Schumer and his colegues are just working for us,,, RIGHT? SURE THEY ARE,,, Politicians, they know how to play and make us pay, it gives the media somethin to talk about at 6 pm everynight

Walt. H.
04-06-2011, 10:52 AM
Sorry Mop & N20,
I didn't know it was a fake proposed Law Bill, I took it to be legit especially when it had Schumer's name behind it. :confused:
My apology for any embarrassment I may have caused to those you forwarded to and to my fellow members here.

I just hope and pray that bad April Fools joke doesn't turn out to become true in the future, since i'm sure some dim light bulbs were set aglow and will impregnate the fat heads of these politicians when they get word of this phony law that isn't?

WH

cutwater
04-06-2011, 11:46 AM
Haha, no problem Walt! The scary thing is that it wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear something like this for real!

I got suspicious because of the wording and Googled it :)

Walt. H.
04-06-2011, 11:52 AM
Good catch!
What part of the wording caught your eye that threw a red flag up?

cutwater
04-06-2011, 12:35 PM
Good catch!
What part of the wording caught your eye that threw a red flag up?

Even thought it's not THAT far-fetched for a democrat to say, such phrases as
"It's about time these collectors—all of whom are rich—begin to pay their fair share. I've never heard of a poor person owning a Corvette, Ferrari, Deusenberg or Cobra."
and

"But by this time next year, WE will know. Owners of these cars will finally have to pay up.Their free ride—on the backs of the poor—is over."
would be overly-bold. Also, a reputable article would generally say "the proposed rate would be 10%" instead of "it WILL be 10%," since no bill has actually passed yet...
Initially, Schumer says, it will be 10% but that would rise depending on the type of car, number produced and condition.

zelatore
04-06-2011, 07:16 PM
Even thought it's not THAT far-fetched for a democrat to say, such phrases as

"It's about time these collectors—all of whom are rich—begin to pay their fair share. I've never heard of a poor person owning a Corvette, Ferrari, Deusenberg or Cobra."
and

"But by this time next year, WE will know. Owners of these cars will finally have to pay up.Their free ride—on the backs of the poor—is over."
would be overly-bold. Also, a reputable article would generally say "the proposed rate would be 10%" instead of "it WILL be 10%," since no bill has actually passed yet...

Initially, Schumer says, it will be 10% but that would rise depending on the type of car, number produced and condition.


I agree. I actually thought it was pretty well written for a hoax, but the wording didn't quite sound right.

Walt. H.
04-07-2011, 12:50 AM
Cutwater,
Now I see what you mean after you pointing it out, but I didn't before. :bonk:
If I ever have to sign a contract that contains fine print with possible hidden clauses, i'd want you to proof read it first for me. You'd Da Man!:yes::wink:

jl1962
04-08-2011, 05:31 AM
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/a-fake-tax-rattles-classic-car-buffs/?hpw


Every good hoax needs a shred of plausibility (OK - this one had more than a shred!), but as Bill Murray says in Stripes - "Lighten up, Francis".

:convertib:

:wink:



* Of course when they come after my '54 Stratocaster we'll find out how much of a sense of humor I have.






* Answer - Not Much!!!!!!!!

pipnit
04-08-2011, 09:44 AM
We'll see it first in Kaliforniastan, then you can get a little nervous.