Rebuilding the 460.....thoughts?

[CaribouLou]

Well, last season was the last run of the original motor in my boat...22 years of service had 3 holes down around 100#, and since the motor/drive are out right now to do some stringer work, no point putting a tired, leaky, rusty motor back in.....I'm trying to keep it as cheap as possible, big power really isn't a goal, but I'd like the boat to do 75 if possible.

My thoughts are:

IF the pistons are in good shape, possibly just hone and re-ring (motor only has 200 hrs)

Cam (not sure how big yet, or brand)

These manifolds to replace the HUGE cast OMC ones:
http://www.keitheickert.com/c-428-460-ford-manifolds.aspx

Possibly a set of DOVE heads, or aluminum heads, mainly for weight.

Engine has a new Edelbrock performer alum intake and a new Holley 750DP, so I'm going to leave those alone....anything else I'm missing?

[CHACHI]

Dove heads, very nice.

Ken

[MOP]

It is a good block, perf items are limited but 75 should be an easily attainable goal.

[gcarter]

If you run into a deal on BBC manifolds (like Stainless Marine), CP Performance/Hardin has spacers to adapt Chevy manifolds to Ford 460's
http://www.cpperformance.com/c-390-manifold-spacers.aspx

Ya never know, it happens.

[CaribouLou]

I've thought about that, could I run 496 manifolds with those adaptors?

[gcarter]

I don't know but Carl, Mike, or Jamie knows, I'm sure.

[blackboat]

Why dont you switch to a mercruiser or chevy engine. wouldnt that help your resale value if you decide to sell later? It seems more people lean away from big block fords in marine applications.
You could buy a rebuilt long block for a pretty reasonable price.

[CaribouLou]

I like the 460, and it keeps it different. Resale isn't a big deal, don't plan on selling it.

[Carl C]

Don't hone and re-ring. It doesn't cost that much to have the cylinders bored at an automotive machine shop. Order up some forged pistons from Summitt Racing. Keep compression at 9:1 max and definitely replace the heads. That is a big weak point on Ford big blocks. JMO based on a lot of years of wrenching on cars doing heavy repairs.

[blackboat]

When I redid my 351 Windsor in my donzi, I ended up buying a long block from RHS, racing head service out of Tennesse.
It actually came out cheaper than redoing mine and I believed my original block was getting a little rough.
The quality of their long blocks was great and very reasonable price.

[mrfixxall]

dove heads..

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=p3841.m39.l1313&_nkw=dove%20heads&_sacat=&rvr_id=221540071645&MT_ID=336&crlp=7435118656_9887&tt_encode=raw&geo_id=491&keyword=dove+heads&adgroup_id=754073416

[zelatore]

Well, I'd target about 500 hp if you want 75 mph. Not sure...maybe the KC on the back of your boat would do it on a bit less power. Aren't they a bit more efficient than Bravos?

I never built a big Ford, but any Ford project always starts with heads. Looks like you've got some ideas there. Exhaust is going to be an issue unless you can make the adapters work. The rest of it should be pretty easy.

Definitely cheaper than swapping to a Chevy/Bravo combo and like you said - different/more interesting.

[zelatore]

If you run into a deal on BBC manifolds (like Stainless Marine), CP Performance/Hardin has spacers to adapt Chevy manifolds to Ford 460's
http://www.cpperformance.com/c-390-manifold-spacers.aspx

Ya never know, it happens.


Hole - E - Crap...

$470 for 5 lbs of aluminum (pre-cooked weight) and a few minutes of milling time.

They're making some good margin on those suckers! I guess they know they've got a captive audience!

[gcarter]

Hole - E - Crap...

$470 for 5 lbs of aluminum (pre-cooked weight) and a few minutes of milling time.

They're making some good margin on those suckers! I guess they know they've got a captive audience!

Yep, you're right.

[Rumblefish]

Nice thread..

The 460 is a great geometric torque engine.. as as others have stated Cylinder heads and exhaust are the greatest upgrade.


If your going to change your cylinder heads, and yes that is were all the power is going to be made (keep it simple)

With a margin of 5200 rpm in mind and the hopes you can use 91 octane fuel. Might I make a suggestion.

Pick your cylinder heads first (if your are changing them)
Look at edelbrock as well as others ( dont get too carried away because 5200 rpm is the top and you wont be there all the time) and some heads are too lazy down low 3-3500 rpm

New pistions are a must have to insure compression.(even more so when heads are changed)

Compression makes horsepower. keep it safe once your head chamber is picked

9.5-9.8 compression with the right cam wont detonate on 91 octane

Camshaft ..Reversion is always a factor as is valve train longevity.

Comp Cams series xm such as a xm270h or of that type (easy on parts. no reversion)

Change your timing chain set to a cloyes ( ford timing chains have a certain amount of retard built in and not that much is needed)

And last.. exhaust. Tough one but worth every $$ ! if adapters are the ticket to some good emi or etc.. do it. Nothing gained on the above unless you do upgrade the exhaust..



Exhaust......compression... camshaft....Cylinder heads(optional)...

Should be a great combo with everything you already have... Prop shopping in your future im sure !!

[MOP]

Being as the boat has a King on it it will turn better top speed than a Bravo boat, stock 385hp 22 get into the bottom of the 70's. IMO the 460 is a torque monster bring the hp to 450 it should make 75 and keep its reliability. The 454 is 4.250 stroke X 4 bore the 460 is 4.360 stroke X 3.850 bore, the longer stroke relates to more torque.

[CaribouLou]

With the tired motor, the boat saw 73 on gps empty tank, glass water, 25p Tempest, and just me in the boat. Normal top speed was closer to 65-68 heavy on fuel with people on board.

[mrfixxall]

Being as the boat has a King on it it will turn better top speed than a Bravo boat, stock 385hp 22 get into the bottom of the 70's. IMO the 460 is a torque monster bring the hp to 450 it should make 75 and keep its reliability. The 454 is 4.250 stroke X 4 bore the 460 is 4.360 stroke X 3.850 bore, the longer stroke relates to more torque.


you got it backwards their mop!! but your close ;)

4.250 bore x 4.00 stroke

[b.guggenmos]

Except for the advice of changing to a Chevrolet you are getting some good advice here. My 460 in my Testarossa had piston issues with the stock pistons. I ran a race from Olympia to the San Juans and was virtually wide open most of the trip. I put in 53 gallons of gas. Close!

On the trip home I just cruised and noticed some black on the transom on the starboard side. I did not think much of it until I checked the oil level. Not on the stick. I used a bore scope and the engine had #8 cylinder with severe scuffing. I don't remember the hrs.

Definately go with a forged piston and a good roller timing chain. Money well spent. Like others said the cam really depends on the cylinder heads and the exhaust. On my 1988 Ford used a Super Cobra Jet intake that had a huge port mismatch with the cylinder heads but still made more horsepower. It is a great intake manifold for marine use.

Aluminum heads are a great idea but not really available when I did mine in the early 90's. The OMC exhust manifolds hold the engine back the most in my opinion. If you use the stock heads there is a big bump in the exhaust ports you can grind out. It was used for egr in other applications and is solid cast iron.

My advice would be to set your budget for the rebuild and go from there.

Good luck and maybe we can have a Washington get together this year. My best friend has a 90 Classis 22 that needs to see the water. Brian

[CaribouLou]

I plan on using those manifold adapters and factory 496HO manifolds and risers, and doing a "full" rebuild, unless the motor looks THAT good inside (which it won't)

Yanking it saturday, I'll bring my camera and post pics

[b.guggenmos]

It is pretty easy to pull out the engine. Just big with all the marine stuff. There might be some shims on the mounts? Make sure you keep track of where they came from. Good luck, Brian

[CaribouLou]

Totally!

[zelatore]

With the tired motor, the boat saw 73 on gps empty tank, glass water, 25p Tempest, and just me in the boat. Normal top speed was closer to 65-68 heavy on fuel with people on board.

That's an impressive number. That KC must really work - my stock 502/B1 could only just match that on it's best day!

[CaribouLou]

That's an impressive number. That KC must really work - my stock 502/B1 could only just match that on it's best day!


I honestly think it might have been a fluke, 70 was normally all it would do @ 5200rpms

[MOP]

Kings like their late Volvo counter parts are faster than Bravo units this has been borne out many times.

[b.guggenmos]

Long live the OMC King Cobra!

[CaribouLou]

The King Cobra was just completely gone thru, and given a clean bill of health, along with a new paint job. I will post pics of the sorry condition of the old motor tomorrow when I tear it out. Wish me luck boys.

[MOP]

I bet it will be better than you think!

[CaribouLou]

Here's the boat Friday before my buddy Chris and I yanked the motor Sat AM:

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/fd495578.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/d29483bd.jpg
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http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/0a1ec409.jpg

[CaribouLou]

Whoops, guess I'm block shopping LOL

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/f4b3502d.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/39b700a8.jpg
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http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/e58974da.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/1b95e4af.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/de3cd7cb.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/466219cc.jpg

[CaribouLou]

and now the fun part, cleaning this mess up, and taking care of all the cracks/rot.

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/7fbe471e.jpg

[glashole]

now would be the time to beef up the stringers and put in some heavy duty motor mounts

[CaribouLou]

now would be the time to beef up the stringers and put in some heavy duty motor mounts


Yup, its at Cabo Marine right now getting a ton of glass work done in there.

[b.guggenmos]

Bummer on the block. So what are you thinking now? Brian

[CaribouLou]

used block, continue as planned

[gcarter]

used block, continue as planned

You reckon it froze?

[TXDONZI]

Check with the marine guys here http://www.460ford.com/forum/ they will get you there the right way for the right price.

[CaribouLou]

You reckon it froze?


No, I'm pretty sure the front of the block just fell off for no reason sitting all winter ;)

[glashole]

just a little bit of advice

you may want to price out what a used merc would be worth at this point

might not work out because you can obviously reuse all of you existing exhaust etc but you were considering doing some major changes to the 460 which you will still have to do

by adding the additional cost of a new block it might make the used merc motor more attractive

[mrfixxall]

No, I'm pretty sure the front of the block just fell off for no reason sitting all winter ;)


any interest?

http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/boa/2294470449.html

[CaribouLou]

Um, 100$ isn't going to make a 4000$ difference. Good try tho.

[yeller]

CaribouLou, I guess I'm just stupid or blind.....or both :bonk: ....but I can't see where your block is damaged?

[mrfixxall]

CaribouLou, I guess I'm just stupid or blind.....or both :bonk: ....but I can't see where your block is damaged?


post 30 last pic,,see the big gaping hole in the fron next to the timing cover..look for a big rust spot.

[MOP]

Buy this then drop a big block Chevy in!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OMC-COBRA-BELL-HOUSING-GM-V6-AND-V8-/230571857409?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item35af275601

[CaribouLou]

No. I'm sticking with ford power. I don't want to buy all new everything.

[mrfixxall]

No. I'm sticking with ford power. I don't want to buy all new everything.


how about the first 22 with diesel power ??

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/2284890828.html

http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/2296476120.html

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/boa/2303813057.html

[CaribouLou]

I thought about a 12v or a 4bt, but the RPMs aren't there, and the weight would be a killer.

[Rumblefish]

how about the first 22 with diesel power ??

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/2284890828.html

http://maine.craigslist.org/boa/2296476120.html

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/boa/2303813057.html


Stick with the Ford 460 ( still a good combo with all the components you all ready have)

Unless you found a complete Merc as some recent 502mpi's have came up from ecu to exhaust I would remain with swapping out a block that needed boring anyway. No big deal


I do like the diesel idea.. 1300 ft pounds of torque.. single screw 38p prop spinning a hard 2800 rpm.. Be the talk of the town.

[mrfixxall]

I thought about a 12v or a 4bt, but the RPMs aren't there, and the weight would be a killer.

the older detroit 2 stroke engines put out some rpm's i think the 8v71's reved to 3600?and they sounded cool as hell..

[gcarter]

I thought about a 12v or a 4bt, but the RPMs aren't there, and the weight would be a killer.

I've thought about a 600-700 HP Diesel (maybe a Yanmar)in a 26'-28' performance hull as a replacement for twins........weight wouldn't be as big an issue. It could be run @ 80% of full throttle all the time if you wish.
It would probably need a Weissmann drive though.

http://www.weismann.net/offshore.html

[fogducker III]

Kelly, stick with the plan, find a cheap replacement block, have it machined and install a decent cam, crank and pistons, not sure what of those you can use out of the old engine?

You already have the rebuilt drivetrain and bolt ons like alt, water pump, wiring etc.....just change out the exhaust and intake manifold and your good to go...:yes::wrench:

[CaribouLou]

I already have an Edelbrick performer 460 intake and a new Holley double pumper. I just am going to find a bloak, and continue as planned.

[b.guggenmos]

Good plan. Don't listen to the people who keep wanting you to switch to a Merc/Chevrolet. A good 460 block should not be to hard to find. Brian

[maddad]

What does a performance exhaust for a 460 cost? The cost and availability of exhaust manifolds is a big part of why I switched from a 351c to a SBC.

[MOP]

What does a performance exhaust for a 460 cost? The cost and availability of exhaust manifolds is a big part of why I switched from a 351c to a SBC.

There are adapter plates to use BB Chevy stuff.

[zelatore]

Yes - stay Ford/KC! It's a winner just for the unique factor :yes:

As for diesels, some of the Volvo and Yanmar stuff is turning 4000 rpm these days, and weighs about the same as a 454. Of course, you don't have the hot rod support you do with a 12v Cummins.

[CaribouLou]

The Ford is staying, and so is the King Cobra. When the drive dies, John at Eastside Offshore in Kirkland, Wa has bolted Bravo's on to OMC bellhousings (there's a '91 22classic at his shop right now with a 454OMC/Bravo1). He said its pretty inexpensive, so that's what I'll be doing.


Talk about unique, a built OMC 460 and a Bravo 1 :D

[yeller]

post 30 last pic,,see the big gaping hole in the fron next to the timing cover..look for a big rust spot.I don't know.....I guess I am blind and stupid...........I still can't see the problem. The only rust I see is in the heads water passages....and the last pic is to blurry for me to make anything out.

Please....Help Me Out! It's driving me nuts! Give better me directions. "In the base of the galley, distributor side, beside the first lifter,....etc"

Man...do I feel stupid.

[CaribouLou]

The front of the motor under the head is missing 4x3 chunk of cast.

[Rumblefish]

The Ford is staying, and so is the King Cobra. When the drive dies, John at Eastside Offshore in Kirkland, Wa has bolted Bravo's on to OMC bellhousings (there's a '91 22classic at his shop right now with a 454OMC/Bravo1). He said its pretty inexpensive, so that's what I'll be doing.


Talk about unique, a built OMC 460 and a Bravo 1 :D

Good too hear!! Thats a great combo.. keep us posted

[yeller]

The front of the motor under the head is missing 4x3 chunk of cast.

Seeing as no one else says they don't see it, it must be me. I know engines, but this one is making me feel real :bonk:. To me, the front of the motor under the head looks no different than the back of the motor under the head.

I now officially give up.

[CHACHI]

Seeing as no one else says they don't see it, it must be me. I know engines, but this one is making me feel real :bonk:. To me, the front of the motor under the head looks no different than the back of the motor under the head.

I now officially give up.

Glen, post #30, pics #4 and #8. To the left of the water pump.

Ken

[gcarter]

Glen, Lookey here!
Look for the water in the jacket :

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/466219cc.jpg

[zelatore]

Now with even easier viewing!

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz85/zelatore/busted460.jpg

[CaribouLou]

What hole?? :wink:

[MOP]

Frosty did his job!

[mrfixxall]

What hole?? :wink:


lou,, i cant believe it happened again,,i remember the last time you had to put freeze plugs in it??

[gcarter]

.....maybe it could be welded up! :nilly::)

[gcarter]

You may be a candidate for closed cooling.....

[CaribouLou]

lou,, i cant believe it happened again,,i remember the last time you had to put freeze plugs in it??


The block was junk anyways, there was so much corrosion around the distributor its not even worth trying to save. Its getting FWC with the new motor, so this won't be an issue anymore.

[mrfixxall]

You may be a candidate for closed cooling.....


G.. i think he needs closed cooling...

[fogducker III]

Guys, be gentle with ole Glenn...he is from Canada eh.....:boggled::bonk::yes::kyle::stan::biggrin::c anada:

[b.guggenmos]

Glen. You have to be able to see it now? Right?

I had a fresh water cooler on my 460. It was the first thing I put on becuase I only ever ran in salt. Good investment. Brian

[gcarter]

Its getting FWC with the new motor, so this won't be an issue anymore.

You'll like it!
The remote system I'm using will work for you.

[mrfixxall]

Guys, be gentle with ole Glenn...he is from Canada eh.....:boggled::bonk::yes::kyle::stan::biggrin::c anada:


i am being gentle,,o BTW im watching your old dushbag chugging some tube yogurt:boggled:

[fogducker III]

i am being gentle,,o BTW im watching your old dushbag chugging some tube yogurt:boggled:

Number one, your a pig, number two, I guess she will have to find somewhere for a real meal to make up for the appetizer..... number three, your a pig....:yes:

[Ghost]

G.. i think he needs closed cooling...

Probably could run air-cooled now.

[CaribouLou]

Picking up my 'new' 1988 motor with 60k mines Friday am for 200$

[blackboat]

Sounds like a great deal ! Iwould still pressure check block ,:crossfing: have seen some rebuilds with pin holes in castings!

[zelatore]

.....maybe it could be welded up! :nilly::)


JB Weld, baby. JB Weld and Duct Tape.

It's allllll good.

[CaribouLou]

JB Weld, baby. JB Weld and Duct Tape.

It's allllll good.

The thought did cross my mind

[yeller]

Glen, post #30, pics #4 and #8. To the left of the water pump.

KenOk..........I know you guys aren't going to believe me.........because I'm having a hard time believing it myself....but.....this is the first time I have been able to see pics 4 to 8. Every other time I looked, only pics 1 to 3 showed up.

Believe it or not..............I'm calling Ripley's :kingme:

Anyways, that's my story...and I'm sticking to it!! :yes:

[CaribouLou]

Ok..........I know you guys aren't going to believe me.........because I'm having a hard time believing it myself....but.....this is the first time I have been able to see pics 4 to 8. Every other time I looked, only pics 1 to 3 showed up.
Believe it or not..............I'm calling Ripley's :kingme:
Anyways, that's my story...and I'm sticking to it!! :yes:



You must still have a 14.4 dialup connection up in the arctic circle.

[Ghost]

Ok..........I know you guys aren't going to believe me.........because I'm having a hard time believing it myself....but.....this is the first time I have been able to see pics 4 to 8.

I couldn't see it either at first. The hole was so big, when I tried to open the pics, my laptop fell through it.

[yeller]

You must still have a 14.4 dialup connection up in the arctic circle.
Easy there CL...I once threatened to leave my igloo and beat someone on this site with my whaling spear when he slagged the Great White North. Don't you be the first to actually make me do it!

[gcarter]

Easy there CL...I once threatened to leave my igloo and beat someone on this site with my whaling spear when he slagged the Great White North. Don't you be the first to actually make me do it!

Don't worry CL, he'd never see you! :)

[yeller]

Now with even easier viewing!
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz85/zelatore/busted460.jpg

Guys, be gentle with ole Glenn...he is from Canada eh.....:boggled::bonk::yes::kyle::stan::biggrin::c anada:

Glen. You have to be able to see it now? Right?

You must still have a 14.4 dialup connection up in the arctic circle.

I couldn't see it either at first. The hole was so big, when I tried to open the pics, my laptop fell through it.

Don't worry CL, he'd never see you! :)C'mon now...you guys are starting to hurt my feelings. :bawling: I knew I should have used a PM. :D

[CaribouLou]

Picked up the new motor. Will tear it down and post pics Monday.

[CaribouLou]

Craigslist is awesome, the guy was too lazy to take the C-6 off the back of the motor, so I got everything :D
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/ecf44cb6.jpg
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/cariboulouwj/a079490d.jpg

[b.guggenmos]

It looks like he took everything loose with a torch? I hope it checks out for your Donzi. Brian

[CaribouLou]

Starter is still on it. Has good compression. I just need the block, for 200$ I couldn't say no

[MOP]

I would say you grabbed a deal! Sell the C6 and get your bucks back. Phil

[CaribouLou]

Which cam do you guys think?

http://www.cpperformance.com/p-11681-comp-cams-cam-lifter-kit.aspx

or

http://www.cpperformance.com/p-11679-comp-cams-cam-lifter-kit.aspx
:checkered:

[mrfixxall]

Which cam do you guys think?

http://www.cpperformance.com/p-11681-comp-cams-cam-lifter-kit.aspx

or

http://www.cpperformance.com/p-11679-comp-cams-cam-lifter-kit.aspx
:checkered:


neither!! call bob @ marine kinetics,,trust me he knows his chit and will give you good advise..he can also custom grind you one for a little bit more..Ask over at oso for about his recomendations..
585-654-8583

[mrfixxall]

all that cp is selling you is a comp cam,,save the money if your in a pinch and search the net for This cam..
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=1001&sb=0

[CaribouLou]

Doesn't seem too bad then

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=CC&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=K34-236-4

[CaribouLou]

this one is probably better?

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=K34-232-4&Category_Code=FHFTCXM

[mrfixxall]

Doesn't seem too bad then

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=CC&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=K34-236-4


This would be a better cam,,you dont need alot of low end torque with the 460..

[gcarter]

I'm wonderin' that if you wanted to buy a transmission, if you would have gotten a free engine????? :)

I bet not.

[pipnit]

neither!! call bob @ marine kinetics,,trust me he knows his chit and will give you good advise..he can also custom grind you one for a little bit more..Ask over at oso for about his recomendations..
585-654-8583

I'll second working with Bob @ M.K., what a nice, helpful guy. A fountain of knowledge and willing to share!

[CaribouLou]

Just got off the phone with Bob, he's going to call me back tomorrow so we can go over the build of the motor and figure out whats needed.

[pipnit]

Just got off the phone with Bob, he's going to call me back tomorrow so we can go over the build of the motor and figure out whats needed.

Cool, he's very helpful. I was happy to buy a lot of my parts from him for some of his knowledge, he's been around the block and will eliminate a lot of ambiguity and guesswork out of the process. MrFixxall reccomended him and I hadn't heard of the guy and a day later, my friend with a 1000hp NA big block told me to call Bob Madera at Marine Kinetics. Tell him we're bragging about him on the Donzi forum.

Jeff in Indiana

[CaribouLou]

Cool, he's very helpful. I was happy to buy a lot of my parts from him for some of his knowledge, he's been around the block and will eliminate a lot of ambiguity and guesswork out of the process. MrFixxall reccomended him and I hadn't heard of the guy and a day later, my friend with a 1000hp NA big block told me to call Bob Madera at Marine Kinetics. Tell him we're bragging about him on the Donzi forum.
Jeff in Indiana


Yessir. Also got a recommendation from a friend on a local offshore board.

[CaribouLou]

Got the "new" motor stripped down last night.....hopefully this boat will be running for the memorial day festivities!