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HallJ
08-11-2010, 04:10 PM
A 28 Arrow, Magnum, and a Bat boat!

Jeff

gcarter
08-11-2010, 06:07 PM
Neat boats Jeff.
The bat boats may have been designed by Sonny Levi.

lars
08-12-2010, 05:42 AM
The Arrow 830 just took part in 2010 Stockholm Shootout and with a 600 hp

Merlin 509 did 78.5 mph. A Donzi 22 Classic with ~600 hp 540 motor did a

very impressive speed of 86 mph, see photo.

Morgan's Cloud
08-12-2010, 11:44 AM
Is that some kind of European export market rail on the 22 ?

'''George ... the 'Bat Boats' are Ocke Mannerfelts ...

And don't ding a dock with one .. haha

HallJ
08-12-2010, 02:10 PM
The Arrow 830 just took part in 2010 Stockholm Shootout and with a 600 hp

Merlin 509 did 78.5 mph. A Donzi 22 Classic with ~600 hp 540 motor did a

very impressive speed of 86 mph, see photo.

Frickin' Cool!

lars
08-12-2010, 04:51 PM
Sent a question about the rail to the 22 Classic owner and We'll see what

comes out of that. A few more high res. photos of the boat for You fellows

that like it. There's a lot about this boat I like, including the rail :yes:

1996Z15
08-13-2010, 07:42 AM
Never heard of an Arrow before; can you tell me more about that boat?

Ed Donnelly
08-13-2010, 10:57 AM
Laars What does the name on the back of the 22 mean???

Rocka Fett translates to Rock Fat on my translater............Ed

HallJ
08-13-2010, 11:31 AM
Never heard of an Arrow before; can you tell me more about that boat?

I believe it is a licensed copy of a Magnum. they now have stepped pad.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/classic-offshore/147934-aronow-28-sweden.html

Jeff

lars
08-14-2010, 01:32 AM
The Arrow is an evolution of the Magnum 27 Sport and are as Jeff said among other things stepped and cut for a lower profile. Very nice riding boats with a big following among the Swedes. The orange boat is owned by a nice fellow Mange who also has run his boat with Gulf graphics. Mange has for several years run his boat with a 572 with 900 hp plus. A good thread on the boats on OSO and a few videos. The 6 minute video is showing fotage from a yearly friendly race to determin the Archipelago of Stockholm's fastest boat. These modern vikings are getting a little too pretentious for my taste, but that's just my take on it :cool: The ladies are cute though :pimp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewtr4YuLrOM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzgfb06ZkwM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okb6dezGAHQ&feature=channel
OSO thread link; http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/magnum/158374-28-arrow-magnum.html

lars
08-14-2010, 01:50 AM
Laars What does the name on the back of the 22 mean???
Rocka Fett translates to Rock Fat on my translater............Ed

I'm not up to date with the latest slang expressions in Swedish these days

Ed, but there's a Swedish version of 'American Idol' in Gothenburg that's

called ' Rocka Fett' and I guess the Donzi owner rightly believes to have

some talent of his own and that the sound from his boat is kind of 'fat' :wink:

Ghost
08-14-2010, 06:07 AM
Good stuff. All the videos are worth watching.

The Gulf paint job is superb. The still shot of that boat is a GREAT pic. I love the back of the helmets--classic.

Mike

axelkloehn
08-17-2010, 09:46 AM
The Gulf paint is a classic!! I have a little speedster which I painted in Gulf-colors, it makes people turning their heads :cool:

lars
08-17-2010, 04:55 PM
WOW...

Is that an A110 1300S Axel? What incredible lines! Makes a Bizzarrini or even

some of the Zagato designs look clumsy. Is the little rascal street legal?

axelkloehn
08-18-2010, 01:29 AM
WOW...

Is that an A110 1300S Axel? What incredible lines! Makes a Bizzarrini or even

some of the Zagato designs look clumsy. Is the little rascal street legal?


thanks Lars and yep, it's an A110 1600 racing body with which some frenchmen were racing in south france , not really street legal but I drive it with dealer plates very often. It really looks nice but you can't see how small it is- when I sit in there I almost have my head and shoulders between my knees :hyper:

lars
08-18-2010, 02:21 AM
Well Axel, if You ever grow out of it I hope You contact me, I'm in love with

this stunner! Hmmh, dealer plates? Put together a wishlist of cars and maybe

I'll be able to tease You with a trade :hyper:

axelkloehn
08-18-2010, 06:09 AM
I would trade with the Miura :)

Dealer plates are something special here in germany, not easy to get. You can almost drive everything with them without registering it and without getting trouble with the officials...
This is me in my other car with the "dealer plates", also interested?? :hyper:

lars
08-18-2010, 06:58 AM
It looks great in yellow! Have seen plenty of Diablos in yellow, but never a

Countach. Had a yellow Scalextric Miura as a kid, so if the Jota was truly

mine I would never trade or sell. I appreciate the offer and must say I really

like Your taste in cars Axel :yes:

P.S. Mixed feelings about this part of a great movie, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpq1_AphUSY

D.S.

axelkloehn
08-18-2010, 08:27 AM
Thanks Lars, I wanted to paint it red but there are so many red countach around, so I decided to paint it yellow- never regretted the decision.

The movie is great- god, cannot believe they really crashed a Miura, doesnot look like a dummy to me when it falls apart... :nilly:

Conquistador_del_mar
08-18-2010, 11:40 AM
It looks great in yellow! Have seen plenty of Diablos in yellow, but never a

Countach. Had a yellow Scalextric Miura as a kid, so if the Jota was truly

mine I would never trade or sell. I appreciate the offer and must say I really

like Your taste in cars Axel :yes:

P.S. Mixed feelings about this part of a great movie, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpq1_AphUSY

D.S.

I guess the viewers never questioned the fact that the dozer would stand out like it was in daylight at the end of the tunnel with daylight in the background as the guy approached the end of the tunnel. :boggled:
You guys have expensive tastes in cars. There was an 18 year old guy at my college (SMU) in 1971 who had a new yellow Miura SV as his college car - talk about being spoiled - :yes: Axel, your yellow Countach is a dream! Here is my favorite car in my back yard. Bill

gcarter
08-18-2010, 12:17 PM
Sorry, but my favorites are from another generation...no big surprise there.

But this is one of my all time favorites.
I'd love to own this car;

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58023&stc=1&d=1282151637

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58024&stc=1&d=1282151637

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58025&stc=1&d=1282151637

axelkloehn
08-18-2010, 01:12 PM
I know my taste of cars is expansive but I got both cars quiet cheap in horrible condition and I restored both cars myself- and both actually were ebay-deals some time ago. Today you will never find these cars at ebay anymore.

George, that car is cool but I can't figure out what it is? Is it a Jag?

Bill, your Cobra is also stunning, love that yellow!

A friend of mine, also yellow:

Conquistador_del_mar
08-18-2010, 01:20 PM
I know my taste of cars is expansive but I got both cars quiet cheap in horrible condition and I restored both cars myself- and both actually were ebay-deals some time ago. Today you will never find these cars at ebay anymore.

George, that car is cool but I can't figure out what it is? Is it a Jag?

Bill, your Cobra is also stunning, love that yellow!

Thanks, Axel. It is painted Corvette millenium yellow with Dupont Chroma One. The painter did a wonderful job on the prep and paint work - probably better than I could have done. Yes, George - what is it? :yes:

gcarter
08-18-2010, 01:38 PM
It is a 1954 Talbot Lago T26 Grand Sport.
Only 26 (I think) were built in a 3 or 4 year period.
At the time, it was the most powerful production car in the world,
developing about 190 HP from a 4.4 L hemi head 6.
It also used a 4 speed Wilson preselector transmission.
Talbot Lago either won, or came in second at Le Mans
for several years in the early 50's.
Talbot Lago was just one of the French luxury car mfgr's
forced out of business in the post war years, like Bugatti,
Delage, Delahaye, and Hotchkiss, due to high taxation created
by the pro-comunist French government of the time.
I think this is one of the most beautiful cars ever built.

axelkloehn
08-18-2010, 01:49 PM
Cool, I just knew Talbot Lagos with very aerodynamic bodies like the old Bugattis- this T26 looks much more like a british racer. I agree, a real classic to dream of!

gcarter
08-18-2010, 02:40 PM
Cool, I just knew Talbot Lagos with very aerodynamic bodies like the old Bugattis- this T26 looks much more like a british racer. I agree, a real classic to dream of!

Yes, you're thinking of the "Teardrop" cars built in the '30's.
I think only 6 were built. What are left are valued @ $millions!!!!!
The T26's are cheaper, maybe $200K.

lars
08-18-2010, 05:32 PM
BIG fan of Bizzarrini's creations and the yellow one looks as fantastic as Bill's Texas brute. That You George like Talbot Lago is of no surprise to me since You always showed refined taste when it came to boats discussed.

Another boating fellow, Ron Spindler, owner of Schiada Custom Boats with his son Lee since the late 70's is a lover of cars and he has a soft spot for Bizzarrini automobiles. He has two Bizzarrini 5300GT Strada that he has restored. One functions as a driver and the second is a show queen. On top of that he purchased the famous Bizzarrini Manta ItalDesign in 2005. He re-restored that, since I know the car was restored in Sweden in the 1980's and before the car was appearing in magazines, nobody had seen 'the lost exotic' for more than a decade!

Link to great article about Ron Spindler's first Bizzarrini;

http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0205ec_bizzarini_5300_strada/index.html

gcarter
08-18-2010, 06:28 PM
Bizzarini (or maybe Iso) built one or two coupes w/BBC's.
I've read about them and saw one at an auction at Amelia Island a few years ago.
Talk about an exercise w/o a point! :boggled:

Conquistador_del_mar
08-19-2010, 11:28 AM
It is a 1954 Talbot Lago T26 Grand Sport.
Only 26 (I think) were built in a 3 or 4 year period.
At the time, it was the most powerful production car in the world,
developing about 190 HP from a 4.4 L hemi head 6.
It also used a 4 speed Wilson preselector transmission.
Talbot Lago either won, or came in second at Le Mans
for several years in the early 50's.
Talbot Lago was just one of the French luxury car mfgr's
forced out of business in the post war years, like Bugatti,
Delage, Delahaye, and Hotchkiss, due to high taxation created
by the pro-comunist French government of the time.
I think this is one of the most beautiful cars ever built.

How about this one George?

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1158686&icid=autos_0711&GT1=22028#6#q=Cars%20that%20Go%20Cha-Ching%3A%201938%20Talbot-Lago%20T150-C%20Lago%20Speciale%20Teardrop%20Coupe

gcarter
08-19-2010, 12:36 PM
How about this one George?

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1158686&icid=autos_0711&GT1=22028#6#q=Cars%20that%20Go%20Cha-Ching%3A%201938%20Talbot-Lago%20T150-C%20Lago%20Speciale%20Teardrop%20Coupe

There you go Bill! :yes:
Back in the mid '70's, I found a teardrop body for sale in Hemmings for $1,400.00. It's amazing what's happened to prices.

dammmagnum
08-19-2010, 04:37 PM
BIG fan of Bizzarrini's creations and the yellow one looks as fantastic as Bill's Texas brute. That You George like Talbot Lago is of no surprise to me since You always showed refined taste when it came to boats discussed.

Another boating fellow, Ron Spindler, owner of Schiada Custom Boats with his son Lee since the late 70's is a lover of cars and he has a soft spot for Bizzarrini automobiles. He has two Bizzarrini 5300GT Strada that he has restored. One functions as a driver and the second is a show queen. On top of that he purchased the famous Bizzarrini Manta ItalDesign in 2005. He re-restored that, since I know the car was restored in Sweden in the 1980's and before the car was appearing in magazines, nobody had seen 'the lost exotic' for more than a decade!

Link to great article about Ron Spindler's first Bizzarrini;

http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0205ec_bizzarini_5300_strada/index.html


Hello Lars,

Good Day
Back in 1983, I had a 1967 Iso Grifo with a 327 Corvette engine. it was a really insteresting car. I found it by accident as I was looking to purchase another Detomaso Pantera or Mangusta. The guy that had the Iso rebuilt Panteras and Mangustas for a living. He had just finished the Iso. The only Mangusta he had was basket case and the Panteras all need major work. So I got a deal on the Iso.
Was a Interesting car to have for while

Thank you
jim

lars
08-24-2010, 05:19 AM
Good to hear that You enjoyed Your Grifo Jim. 1967 was an early one and with the 327 it's still fast enough. The Grifo is supposed to have an almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution and even though the 427 and 454 in later cars are a lot heavier, they were also positioned close to the fire wall for a pretty good set up. The chassie is very responsive and even provides well damped suspension that gives a comfortable ride.

George, I don't know how come You didn't like the BBC cars You saw, but keep in mind that the 327 SBC and the 427 & 454 BBC engines all got dis-assembled after arriving to Italy. Engines were blueprinted and my favorite is the L71 engine which after assembly cranked out well in excess of the original 435hp.

Link to nice 7 litri Grifo in registry; http://www.isoregistry.com/html/_7l329.html

Grifo brochure; http://www.isoregistry.com/Prospekt_7Litri.pdf

By coincidence George, I did spot a Talbot for You when I was driving down a boulevard in Santa Monica yesterday. It's a 1956?(probably1957) Talbot-Lago with a V8 in it. However it's a BMW V8, so the price will be much more interesting than the close to $500,000 that has been paid for perfect T26 special coupes from around 1950. Maybe $50,000 will buy this one?

Link to Talbot-Lago 1956 car for sale; http://www.carsclassic.com/stock/1956%20TALBOT%20LAGO%20V8.htm

gcarter
08-24-2010, 08:18 AM
Lars, when I was in high school, I was a typical hotrodder and there was no answer like a few hundred more cubic inches. Here we are, nearly 50 years later, my tastes have changed.
In the case of the Grifo, I never understood, in the day, why add 150 extra lbs or so for a power increase of 50-75 HP. If it had been an all aluminum fire breather, maybe, but it wasn't. It was just a torque monster.
It's just an opinion and worth just what it is.
The Talbot T26 moniker had to do w/the taxable HP which is what killed the French auto industry.....too much taxable HP = 100% tax or so. No one would buy any new French luxury car.
The company came out w/the "Baby" w/a 2.6 L 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder engine. It had all the bad features of any large (2+L) 4 cylinder engine and it would vibrate horribly at over 2000 RPM.
The answer was the BMW 2.5 L V-8 built for the 507 sports car, another favorite. I think they had 2 Solex downdraft carbs and produced about 150 hp. The "Baby" was a 7/8 scale (or so) T26. It was tight. Many people couldn't fit in them. Also, a lot of corners were cut. No roll up windows on some cars, and the back window was plastic. Only a very few of these were built as Talbot couldn't afford the BMW engines. In fact BMW probably never got all their money. It really was the end of the line for them.
Here's a contemporary Road & Track road test for them;

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58160&stc=1&d=1282655752

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58161&stc=1&d=1282655752

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58162&stc=1&d=1282655752

lars
08-24-2010, 09:32 AM
Too bad about the French car industry. This little Talbot seem delightful and if I had been contemporary I would have loved to have a Citroen Familiale wagon.
As far as the Grifo goes I agree with You in general, but since the Grifo is a very sporty GT car I think the 427 is a 'cool' contribution to the car's character. However the lines on the earlier 327 cars are lovelier and in general I tend to agree with You on the advanteges of the SBC engines. I never could understand why anybody would prefer a BBC in a Stingray Vette, so I guess the same goes for here, well G.T. car? I think I'm still ambivalent unfortunately.
This Winchester blue favorite of mine has also over 400 hp, but from a 5.3 liter engine and I hope to catch one before they're out of my price range :yes:
'My name is Lars, Lars The Swede', I think I could get used to introduce myself with those words stepping out of an Aston Vantage like this one!

gcarter
08-24-2010, 09:52 AM
It's funny you mentioned the Aston, as there seems to be a lot of "less than perfect" Astons on the market for $35-$50K. Maybe even less for the sellor that needs the money.

gcarter
08-24-2010, 10:18 AM
Neat boats Jeff.
The bat boats may have been designed by Sonny Levi.


Is that some kind of European export market rail on the 22 ?

'''George ... the 'Bat Boats' are Ocke Mannerfelts ...

And don't ding a dock with one .. haha

The reason I thought Levi might have done the design work was because of this page from his book published in '71.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46182&d=1243023788

tmh
08-24-2010, 11:28 AM
The Aston V8 around 1976-1979 is a car I look at all the time. They never shot up in price a few years back and they are now $30k-45k for a pretty nice condition car. They have a very muscular look to me. I watched the restoration of a 1978 Vantage 5 speed car about 15 years ago and the car was restored to an immaculate standard. It was a beautiful car. They had to re wrap all the aluminum panels where it met up with steel with a linen like material to minimize corrosion. The car was reasonably fast, heavy, and consumed mass quantities of fuel. I'd love to have one in the garage.

lars
08-24-2010, 10:46 PM
Thank You George for pointing out what many Swedes have voiced in the past with regards to Ocke Mannerfelt's designs. There's nothing to be ashamed of to be a good student of a Royal Designer of Industry. Renato 'Sonny' Levi is a one of a kind designer and I get a kick out of the Italian blog; http://www.altomareblu.com/

P.S. Many of the articles on the blog is written by Professore Levi himself! D.S.

gcarter
08-25-2010, 06:25 AM
Thank You George for pointing out what many Swedes have voiced in the past with regards to Ocke Mannerfelt's designs. There's nothing to be ashamed of to be a good student of a Royal Designer of Industry. Renato 'Sonny' Levi is a one of a kind designer and I get a kick out of the Italian blog; http://www.altomareblu.com/

P.S. Many of the articles on the blog is written by Professore Levi himself! D.S.

Thanks for that link Lars.
Fascinating stuff.

HallJ
08-27-2010, 10:55 AM
Let's get back on track,

I met up with Jeppe and his brother as well.
It was pretty damn sweet!

Jeff

Conquistador_del_mar
08-27-2010, 11:35 AM
Let's get back on track,

I met up with Jeppe and his brother as well.
It was pretty damn sweet!

Jeff

Very nice boat! The second picture shows why I built a subfloor to stand in while driving. Even though he is bending over, it still looks dangerous and has to feel a little awkward. Bill

BUIZILLA
08-27-2010, 11:52 AM
I love the shot of the little girl taking pic's... awesome...

lars
08-28-2010, 02:22 AM
Thanks for sharing Jeff. Wonderful phtos. You sure making me home-sick. Found a couple of videos that Jeppe posted on youtube.

Here's the link; http://www.youtube.com/user/TopKnotsRacing#p/u/0/7WhlnokTh7w

P.S. Love the color of this boat. Heck I love it period! D.S.

HallJ
08-30-2010, 11:24 AM
The first video is with my co-worker and me!
He didn't quite know what he was in for. I told him we were going to Stockholm for a nice boat ride.:)

The color is super cool.

Jeff

MDonziM
08-31-2010, 07:56 AM
Thanks for sharing Jeff. Wonderful phtos. You sure making me home-sick. Found a couple of videos that Jeppe posted on youtube.

Here's the link; http://www.youtube.com/user/TopKnotsRacing#p/u/0/7WhlnokTh7w

P.S. Love the color of this boat. Heck I love it period! D.S.


I love the color of that sport too. Just wondering... I'm starting to dial in my starfire and am curious what all the numbers are (hp, prop, mph, etc). I have 454's, trs's in the 425- 450 hp range and turn a 3blade 25p mirage (w/ cup added) to ~ 4800rpm and 70mph.

Thanks - Marshall