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Jraysray
02-24-2010, 10:33 AM
This came to me via E-mail today. I cannot attest to the accuracy of it but I hope its true.


Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it?

Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio?

Didn't think so.!!!

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.



Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.'

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2009, United States vs. Reid.

Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.)

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed.. The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an aggregate fine of $2 million.. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence..

Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist.. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no big deal.'

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down

LeadSledMerc
02-24-2010, 11:45 AM
Yes...we can only hope it's true!

CJmike
02-24-2010, 11:59 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/

Carl C
02-24-2010, 12:02 PM
No virgins in heaven for the bungling bomber. He failed his god miserably. I think he will be doing hard time and maybe not live a long life.....

thehow33
02-24-2010, 12:36 PM
Amen!

zelatore
02-24-2010, 01:06 PM
hmmm...I was prepared to write this off as a hoax, but it looks to be real. I had no problem believing that Reid would make his statements, but I didn't expect the judge to make that long speech.

handfulz28
02-24-2010, 02:26 PM
January 30, 2009

All good except that it happened in January 2003, not 2009. That's why most have forgotten, unless you fly.

Jraysray
02-24-2010, 04:07 PM
This came to me via E-mail today. I cannot attest to the accuracy of it but I hope its true.

First line on thread.

Just Say N20
02-24-2010, 04:43 PM
It is true, and from 2003.

So?

I hadn't read what had happened with the Shoe Bomber, so I found it interesting. :yes:

silverghost
02-25-2010, 12:20 AM
Thanks to this idiot we all have to take our shoes off at the airport now ~
Will we now have to take our underwear off as a result of the last failed Christmas bomber now also ?
Where will it all end ?

We need to PROFILE !
We need to screen these folks before we issue them a flight ticket !

Just Say N20
02-25-2010, 08:35 AM
I believe it was Walt who sent me an e-mail the other day that had the solution.

Create a bomb proof booth that every passenger must walk through individually. As they walk through the booth the space will be "ignited" (don't know if this is technically possible) causing any explosive material to detonate. :yes:

Bad guys are vaporized, and everyone else is fine and has an amazing story to tell to friends about later.

Although, after a successful "bad guy event" there would be the necessary flight delay while booth sanitation occurred. I suspect passengers would gladly tolerate this delay, given what the alternative would have been.

joel3078
02-25-2010, 10:16 AM
I fly 1 to 2 times a month. I still like the nicknames for TSA:

Take shoes away :wink:
They seemed American :eek:

silverghost
02-25-2010, 12:17 PM
I ask you who really won in these two failed attempts?
Every time we fly now we must remove our shoes, be patted-down, scanned,sniffed, or X-rayed. We can not take liquids, or lighters, nail clippers, or pen knives with us on the plane. We must arrive two hours early for pre-flight inspections stealing our time~ The terrorists are slowly taking are freedoms away
One-by-One !
I say they are slowly moving toward their goal.
So far THEY are winning !

silverghost
02-25-2010, 12:26 PM
In Philadelphia , the birthplace of our freedom , everyone used to be able to walk in any time to see the Liberty Bell and Independence hall were our Liberty all started.
After Sept. 11 things have changed.
Now it's like an armed camp. You now need an appointment days in advance to view the Liberty Bell & Indepenence Hall after first being pre-screened !
God Bless America

Carl C
02-25-2010, 12:58 PM
In Philadelphia , the birthplace of our freedom , everyone used to be able to walk in any time to see the Liberty Bell and Independence hall were our Liberty all started.
After Sept. 11 things have changed.
Now it's like an armed camp. You now need an appointment days in advance to view the Liberty Bell & Indepenence Hall after first being pre-screened !
God Bless America

Things changed even before 9-11. I remember when there was no security at courts and of course we didn't have metal detectors and locked doors at school! I think every boy used to carry a pocket knife and it wasn't for use as a weapon. Has there been a steady decline in morality???

CHACHI
02-25-2010, 01:29 PM
I ask you who really won in these two failed attempts?
Every time we fly now we must remove our shoes, be patted-down, scanned,sniffed, or X-rayed. We can not take liquids, or lighters, nail clippers, or pen knives with us on the plane. We must arrive two hours early for pre-flight inspections stealing our time~ The terrorists are slowly taking are freedoms away
One-by-One !
I say they are slowly moving toward their goal.
So far THEY are winning !

I couldn't agree more.

Ken

thehow33
02-25-2010, 09:46 PM
Thanks to this idiot we all have to take our shoes off at the airport now ~
Will we now have to take our underwear off as a result of the last failed!

If thats the case there will be a lot more male applicants for TSA. Starting right here!!!:cool!:

tmh
02-26-2010, 07:41 AM
There are more unattractive ones than lookers and some will smell like an old fish. It will also be for both genders. The bad will outweigh the good.
T.M.

Carl C
02-26-2010, 07:46 AM
I'll be flying in a few months. Can't wait for the pat-down.....:nilly::nilly::nilly:

thehow33
02-26-2010, 06:59 PM
There are more unattractive ones than lookers and some will smell like an old fish. It will also be for both genders. The bad will outweigh the good.
T.M.

HAHA....now you just had to go and ruin my good idea.
In my mind there were only 10's waiting in my line.:party:

Walt. H.
02-27-2010, 12:06 AM
I believe it was Walt who sent me an e-mail the other day that had the solution.
Create a bomb proof booth that every passenger must walk through individually. As they walk through the booth the space will be "ignited" (don't know if this is technically possible) causing any explosive material to detonate. :yes:
Bad guys are vaporized, and everyone else is fine and has an amazing story to tell to friends about later.
Although, after a successful "bad guy event" there would be the necessary flight delay while booth sanitation occurred. I suspect passengers would gladly tolerate this delay, given what the alternative would have been.
Yep! This is the idea here:

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports. Have a bomb-protected booth for all passengers to step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you.
It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling and this method would eliminate a long and expensive trial. Justice would be quick and swift.
Case Closed!