Haiti

[oledawg]

All should be thinking of the people in Haiti that have NOTHING, hardly even hope, and sending a minimum $25 donation to the charity of your choice to help them survive.

A good safe start is:

http://www.redcross.org/.

This site has some great people on it, so we need to step up and help those that can't help themselves!

[oledawg]

I think that it is interesting that absolutely no one on the Donzi Registry seems to be interested in the least about the tragedy in Haiti. Not even a reader, my, my, oh my. We can take time to talk about our expensive toys, but not even a second for folks that have nothing. Very strange to me.

[BUIZILLA]

I think that it is interesting that absolutely no one on the Donzi Registry seems to be interested in the least about the tragedy in Haiti. Not even a reader, my, my, oh my. We can take time to talk about our expensive toys, but not even a second for folks that have nothing. Very strange to me.you might be surprised what I/we do behind the scenes.... I, for one, don't need to broadcast what I do to help people... I do it because I want to, not for bragging rights on a forum..

[oledawg]

1) I certainly wasn't "bragging", have no reason to do so
2) wasn't looking for anyone to "broadcast" their good deeds.

Sorry that I brought it up.

Have a great day.

[BUIZILLA]

there is a LOT going on down here, that's for sure... everybody is cleaning out their garages and closets and dropping stuff off...

if stuff doesn't get there quick, they are going to start eating each other.. :eek:

[Just Say N20]

Additionally, there are a LOT of ways people can help, and this has been going on for several days now, so "perhaps" people have already gotten involved through other channels.

[MOP]

George I think most of us are still in the stunned stage, this is on the order of the tsunami. The donations are are coming and I am sure will increase. The hardest part of what has happened will be protecting innocents and aid workers, most people have no clue just how bad a place Haiti is. It is totally lawless, the government is a sham the country is run by criminal gangs. We will need far more troops from many nations to keep the peace, the magnitude of this is well above what many can understand. This can slip into mob rule and a virtual war zone in the blink of an eye, I pray for the innocent. You can donate on the Red Cross site with your credit card, they should establish a Pay Pal account as many are reluctant to put the card numbers on the net. I have sen them an email about them doing so, mean while they will have to wait for my snail mail!

[oledawg]

And that is all that I was suggesting, that people get involved in whatever way suited them. Lots of good ways to do so and hopefully all are doing so. Just "beating the pan" to make sure all do what they can do, nothing more. Sometimes on a forum some great ideas come up. If all are covered, then this group is way ahead of the curve.

[Cuda]

I think one problem is the way the world looks at the United States as bullies. The US has defended more countries from tyranny and tragedles than any other country, now Haiti looks to the US for help, and they are getting it.
A friend of mine worked as a supervisor on two construction jobs down there. He said they'd kill a kid to steal a quarter from him. He said you couldn't pay them more tha three dollars a day, or they'd just spend it all on liquor. I like the news reports they say how many people don't have clean drinking water. They fail to point out that over half of them didn't have it anyway. The US sent in paratroopers last night to protect the humanitarian aid. You can't help people who won't help themselves. My buddy said they tried paying them with food, but they would find the a couple hours later, selling the food to buy liquor. What we have is another Somalia on our hands.

[fogducker III]

I think Haiti is looking to the "world" for assistance, not just the US. Like Buiz stated, not everybody broadcasts their actions, including other countries, they just do what they can to help....

I agree with MOP, not many people outside of Haiti realize the turmoil the country was in BEFORE the earthquake, now it is on the edge of total break-down, I just hope the different agencies that go into the country concentrate on the important issues in the correct order, help the innocent with the basic survival needs, assist rebuilding and then have a look at the political set-up, or at least lack of it....

[BUIZILLA]

gotta wonder where the 800 MILLION that Hilary sent last year went to... :bonk:

[Walt. H.]

I think one problem is the way the world looks at the United States as bullies. The US has defended more countries from tyranny and tragedles than any other country, now Haiti looks to the US for help, and they are getting it.
A friend of mine worked as a supervisor on two construction jobs down there. He said they'd kill a kid to steal a quarter from him. He said you couldn't pay them more tha three dollars a day, or they'd just spend it all on liquor. I the news reports they say how many people don't have clean drinking water. They fail to point out that over half of them didn't have it anyway. The US sent in paratroopers last night to protect the humanitarian aid. You can't help people who won't help themselves. My buddy said they tried paying them with food, but they would find the a couple hours later, selling the food to buy liquor. What we have is another Somalia on our hands.
Sorry but I agree with Joe 100%, its just throwing good money after bad with that little criminal island nation!

Dawg, even though your intent was ment as a good gesture, I take offense and i'm somewhat sure that others also do when someone tells me with a dollar amount that we should open up our wallets to give.
Charity is a personal thing and I do so without expecting others to join me, but now because of those in other countries that would rather see our nation fall and us dead within, my financial donations stay within the boarders of this country!
Sorry but I Support us here in America first and foremost, those are my views and i'm sticking to it!
But I will send my prayers to Haiti..........

[Cuda]

I think Haiti is looking to the "world" for assistance, not just the US. Like Buiz stated, not everybody broadcasts their actions, including other countries, they just do what they can to help....

I ....
There has never been a more benevolent country on this earth that the US. Who do you think Haiti is looking for help from? Venezuala?

[Cuda]

There are people in need in this country also. I think we should take care of our own first.

[Cuda]

Haiti is half an island called Hispanola. The other half is the Dominican Republic. I had a half dozen guys work for me that were from the Dominican. They were all good people with good family values.

[oledawg]

OK, I did succeed in getting some discussion, some good, some not so good. Those that took offense, sorry but it is important that we all ignore insensitivity to suffering if in countries other than the US. That is not what makes America great, indifference to others in need is not a value that this country was founded on. Yes, giving is personal, but if anyone of the folks on this site can't afford the amount that I merely suggested, then they don't need to be indulging in a hobby such as our beautiful Donzi's. Flag waving and self righteousness do not help people, donations do. Yes, the folks in Haiti were already poor, living on less than $2 per day, no they didn't have water, etc., but does that make them bad people, does that make them love their families any less? I don't think so.

[fogducker III]

There has never been a more benevolent country on this earth that the US. Who do you think Haiti is looking for help from? Venezuala?

I did not say the US was not generous, at times, I do think you need to read some "world" news though.....do you not think that countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, France, China, Germany etc etc do not care and contribute to world disaters?

Qoute:



A US army spokesman said the first members of a brigade of 3,500 US troops would begin arriving in Haiti on Thursday, while the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson was also set to arrive with destroyers and more Coast Guard ships.
"Things are in motion," army spokesman Gary Tallman said. "We're getting folks there as fast as we can to provide humanitarian assistance."
A Chinese aircraft bringing relief workers and 20 tonnes of aid reached Haiti and was unloaded by UN Chinese soldiers.
Planeloads of rescue teams and relief supplies were also sent from countries including Belgium, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Spain and Switzerland.
European development ministers will hold emergency talks in Brussels on Monday to discuss how best to help Haiti.
The European Commission has already pledged three million euros ($A4.71 million) in aid, with other offers in cash or kind coming from individual member states.
The Red Cross launched a $US10 million ($A10.82 million) appeal for donations, the World Food Program offered 15,000 tonnes of food and the World Bank pledged an extra $US100 million ($A108.23 million) in aid.
The International Monetary Fund also offered $US100 million, its head Dominique Strauss-Kahn announced.
"We are entering a critical period. There must be massive humanitarian aid arriving this evening," said Olivier Bernard, president of the medical relief organisation Medecins du Monde.
Britain said it would donate close to $US10 million, as a rescue team it sent touched down to help the hunt for survivors.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown described the disaster as "a tragedy beyond imagination".
Aid group Medecins sans Frontieres (MSF) said it was sending an inflatable field hospital including two operating theatres, 100 beds and medical staff to Haiti where it should be up and running by the weekend.
The International Red Cross said that it was sending 40 tonnes of medical supplies while the International Organisation for Migration called for "tents, tents and more tents" to shelter the homeless.
Neighbouring Cuba, which felt the quake, sent 30 doctors to join staff already in Haiti.
Brazil said it was providing $US10 million in immediate aid, while Chile, Colombia, Guatemala, Mexico, Peru and Venezuela also promised help.
The Canadian government said it was ready to match its citizens' donations for Haiti up to a combined total of $100 million Canadian dollars ($A104.8 million).
Ottawa also readied two warships, helicopters and planes with supplies, as well as a large relief and rescue force.
From the Asia-Pacific region, Australia pledged $A10 million while Japan, well used to quakes, pledged $US5 million ($A5.41 million) and offered tents and rescuers.
Taiwan, South Korea and New Zealand also offered aid.
The World Health Organisation is deploying specialists to help handle mass casualties and corpses, warning of the danger of communicable diseases.

[oledawg]

Certainly am not going to try to account for the $800 million supposedly sent to Haiti by the US last year ( if valid ), no more than I can account for the almost $200 billion spent by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan last year. Point is that whatever we spent is for sure gone now, as is anything else those folks had. They didn't have much, and now they have nothing. No where to sleep, nothing to eat, no water, no health care, and on. If those conditions make you feel good as an American, blessings on you.

How much has been spent in the past is irrelevant. They need help now.

[Cuda]

Charity begins in the home.

[Cuda]

Certainly am not going to try to account for the $800 million supposedly sent to Haiti by the US last year ( if valid ), no more than I can account for the almost $200 billion spent by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan last year. Point is that whatever we spent is for sure gone now, as is anything else those folks had. They didn't have much, and now they have nothing. No where to sleep, nothing to eat, no water, no health care, and on. If those conditions make you feel good as an American, blessings on you.

How much has been spent in the past is irrelevant. They need help now.
Past actions predict future behavior.

We've spent a buckful of money in Haiti, that they did nothing with. I'm telling you, it's like the warlords in Somalia. That didn't turn out so well did it?

[oledawg]

It is ridiculous to compare Somalia with Haiti. I worked in the Dominican Republic for almost 20 years starting and running factories to employ folks that weren't much better off than the Haitians at that time. DR is still very, very poor, but most folks are light years better off than their neighbors in Haiti. People will work if there are jobs, there are few jobs in Haiti. Monies that have gone there recently went to building an infrastructure and jobs. Neither of which obviously exists after the earthquake. There are very few people in the US that are as poor as in these countries; there is no comparison. Yes, we always need to take care of our own, but that doesn't mean that we should stick our heads in the sand as far as tragedies in the rest of the world.

OK, I am going to slow down on this posting, feels like it is trying to turn political. Harbormaster will not be pleased.

Give if you so choose, do not if you do not want to.

[oledawg]

www.samaritanspurse.org (http://www.samaritanspurse.org/)

Another good organization where you can be sure of what your money is going to be used for. Watch the video's and decide what you want to do.

[Forrest]

. . . and before anyone sends money to that compelling looking charity on the web or anywhere else for that matter, you should check out their track record or "overhead" costs. Many charities are not all what they appear to be, and some are outright frauds.

http://www.charitywatch.org/

. . . and BTW, Samaritan’s Purse was ranked among highest by charitywatch.org.

[oledawg]

Always good to be vigilant, particular during a tragedy like this, there are always going to be folks trying to make an easy buck. However I had no doubts about Samaritan's Purse. Wouldn't have suggested it if I didn't personally know of their good works. Same with the Red Cross.

Thanks for posting the great info!

[Walt. H.]

OK, Yes, giving is personal, but if anyone of the folks on this site can't afford the amount that I merely suggested, then they don't need to be indulging in a hobby such as our beautiful Donzi'.
Well this is just great, another Obamanite tell us what we can own and how to distribute someone else's money.
O.Dawg, you're way outta line with that phrase, you have no idea with what any of us have or how we get by financially, many of us are regular people have children in college to supporting ill aging parents with jobs and businesses in question.
Thats why I said earlier, you shouldn't tell someone else by shaming them what to do.
Nuff said!

[MOP]

I have lost faith in one of my favorite actors, Danny Glover!! He was on the radio ranting about we are not doing enough, Ok I was fine with that then he said it would not have happened if Obama had signed the Oslo treaty. Has he like many other actors taken to drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could a signature have stopped an earth quake?

The burden of what has happened should be shouldered by all nations through the UN! Not that many have noticed but there is little to nothing coming from the vast majority of countries, that to me is wrong why so few have to bear the burden. Plus more than likely this will go the route of 2004! God help the people helping out I pray as much for them as I do the Haitians, that place has the worst history of any nation !

[oledawg]

Just love personal attacks on forums, don't you? But I am not going to be drawn into that cesspool. However, just a few clarifications:

1) I am a life long Republican, did not vote for Obama ( not that it is anyone's business whether I did or not ), and do not support his policies. I do support him as the President of our country.
2) common sense says that if you own a Donzi you are doing OK no matter what you are supporting otherwise, it is definitely not a necessity of life ( although some would argue that! )
3) giving is discretionary, no one forces anyone to do anything that you don't want to do, so if you choose not to, don't.

Have a wonderful day and just don't even think about those homeless, hungry, hurt folks down there in Haiti.

[Cuda]

1) I don't support bankrupting this country
2) I don't support the redistibution of wealth
3) I don't support anyone telling me where my discretionary funds go

[fogducker III]

I have lost faith in one of my favorite actors, Danny Glover!! He was on the radio ranting about we are not doing enough, Ok I was fine with that then he said it would not have happened if Obama had signed the Oslo treaty. Has he like many other actors taken to drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could a signature have stopped an earth quake?

The burden of what has happened should be shouldered by all nations through the UN! Not that many have noticed but there is little to nothing coming from the vast majority of countries, that to me is wrong why so few have to bear the burden. Plus more than likely this will go the route of 2004! God help the people helping out I pray as much for them as I do the Haitians, that place has the worst history of any nation !


Sorry MOP but what didn't you get about my last post? The ENTIRE world is bucking up! INCLUDING Canada at the SAME amount as the US!!! Christ you guys crack me up.......it is like you are the only ****ing country in the world!

I am REALLY tired of this, "We are the best contry in the world attitude, take a look at your unemployment rate, value of the almighty US dollar, house prices etc etc etc... READ the news agency reports OUTSIDE of the good ole USA....it might open your eyes and minds...


I for one am not really 100% about supporting Haiti to rebuild in the style they were, I agree helping people who have nothing and need food, shelter etc...but the country itself is screwed up and needs a major overhaul, but not US style...IMO....the US needs to concentrate on internal politics, economy and financial matters....:popcorn:

[oledawg]

To those of you that want to stick your heads in the sand, go for it as that just leaves your you-know-what exposed and talking to the rest of the world, the world that apparently cares and is providing much needed support for Haiti. Obviously few Christians on this forum, need to apply some forgotten teachings here. AND, lest you get the wrong idea, Pat Robertson is an idiot! I promise that I am not telling you what to do with your money, keep it, enjoy it. Just remember your level of giving the next time a tragedy strikes your community and becomes personal. I thought I was finished with this posting, but now I know that I am. Can't talk about anything but our boats rationally.

[Barry Eller]

:popcorn: :drinkbeer:

[fogducker III]

:popcorn: :drinkbeer:


lmfao........:wink:

**** happens eh?

[BUIZILLA]

and then there's Danny Glover... :puke:

[Walt. H.]

Dawg,
We all have our cross to bear, you go and try to save the world if that's what you think is best for you to do with your extra money and my wife and I will just try to help where we think its best served to those here among us thruout the neighborhoods in this country with our monthly contributions to the children of St. Jude and The American Cancer Society.

And your president not mine that I refuse to support because of his marxist ways will give some more of my hard earned tax money to another ungrateful corrupt government in my behalf.
If you now think i'm just a mean old S.O.B. you're absolutely correct, while others might disagree.......:cool!:
Hopefully this has just been a friendly debate and we can move on from here..
WH.

[Cuda]

To those of you that want to stick your heads in the sand, go for it as that just leaves your you-know-what exposed and talking to the rest of the world, the world that apparently cares and is providing much needed support for Haiti. Obviously few Christians on this forum, need to apply some forgotten teachings here. AND, lest you get the wrong idea, Pat Robertson is an idiot! I promise that I am not telling you what to do with your money, keep it, enjoy it. Just remember your level of giving the next time a tragedy strikes your community and becomes personal. I thought I was finished with this posting, but now I know that I am. Can't talk about anything but our boats rationally.
How can you call yourself a Christian if you believe any of the dog crap Obama is trying to force feed us? You say your don't want to turn this into a political post,then in the next breath you do and then close the debate (with you winning of course), If I were the leader of this country, you'd never see me bowing to a Suadi King, or rubbing elbows with the likes 9f Hugo.

[Donzi Vol]

:popcorn: :drinkbeer:

No joke. I'm so confused here...

[oledawg]

“What's the matter with the world? Why, there ain't but one thing wrong with every one of us -- and that's selfishness. (http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/what-s_the_matter_with_the_world-why-there_ain-t/332527.html)”http://en.thinkexist.com/i/sq/as4.gif Will Rogers (http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/will_rogers/)

Ummm, can't seem to be like Forest Gump and do the "and that's all I have to say"!

If ONLY one person on the Donzi Registry felt motivated to give to these unfortunate folks then I am glad that I posted it, but I sure do see why the Harbormaster pulled the plug on political posts. This shouldn't even have been political, but somehow turned that way. Whoa!

For those that care, although I have been a lifetime Republican, I am now a conservative Libertarian and actually voted that way in the last election, so there! This event is beyond politics.

And, I am not a "hater", so not to worry about any hard feelings, I don't go there, blessings on all.

[Cuda]

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken

[BUIZILLA]

For those that care, although I have been a lifetime Republican, I am now a conservative Libertarian and actually voted that way in the last election, so there! This event is beyond politics. I am now a Libertarian as well, only I saw the light after the last election...
if you have customers and specific friends in Haiti, like I do, there are courier options that I use to get product down there, you would need specific direction of supplies though.... I am tight-tight with the Director of the courier co. that owns ALL of the planes... IBC Courier

sea traffic entry has stopped, maybe for a year or more, the ENTIRE seaport loading dock collapsed, and the trucks and trailers went under water, i'm talking a 1/4-3/8 mile long x 250' wide dock.. study the CNN pic's of the big green crane with it's leg bases under water... sea traffic is strangled...

we do work for the Embassy contractors/consulates who bring them their items for us to repair and return, thru the Embassy, sometimes 8-10 jobs a week, this assures that the Haitian Govt thieves won't steal/hijack/barter/negotiate your items on return... it is THE most corrupt Govt in the western hemisphere, almost rivals Somalia, and has been since Baby Doc days...

Brazil has been a wonderful, and resilient, AID partner there..., Venezuela has been the opposite...

the trash gangs are in Miami now, over 1,000 gangs at last count, and growing, i'm sure more are already on the way...

remember the Mariel boat lift of 1980 courtesy of Jimmy Carter??? now maybe we'll have the Haitian boat lifts, courtesy of Hilary...

ever wonder why the USCG anchors in the harbor??? check the pic's everywhere for years, and this week, they were NOT allowed to dock at the docks...

so Dawg, don't underestimate who knows what here, on the undercurrent missions...

[MOP]

Looks like this should be moved to "Get Out The Popcorn" site is has gone quite political!

[Cuda]

The illegal Haitians in Florida are benefiting from this disaster.
Dawg, how do you know that only ONE member has worked for the disaster?

How Will Haiti's Crisis Affect the Immigration Debate in the U.S.?
The U.S. has temporarily stopped the deportation of Haitian immigrants, at the request of lawmakers and relief workers who hope the move will ease the strain on Haiti's overburdened resources. But by granting temporary protective status (TPS) to Haitians living illegally in this country, the Department of Homeland Security appears to have inflamed the country's already heated debate over immigration. Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies -- which opposes increased immigration -- said he wondered just how temporary the program would be. "The question is, When things sort of get back to normal in a few months, do we end TPS -- and I wouldn't hold my breath," he told the National Journal. "The Haitians in Florida are certainly upset about this tragedy ... but this is going to end up benefiting them immensely."

[BUIZILLA]

there is now an 18 month deportation freeze on Haitian's...

i'm sure the ACLU will want to make sure all the other nationalities are granted equal status

[Cuda]

there is now an 18 month deportation freeze on Haitian's...

i'm sure the ACLU will want to make sure all the other nationalities are granted equal status
No doubt.

[oledawg]

Cuda, feeling lots of anger from you my friend. Just to clarify, what I said if you take time from bashing me to read it, is that "If ONLY one person on the Donzi Registry felt motivated to give to these unfortunate folks then I am glad that I posted it".

Hope that you have a great day. :salute:

[Cuda]

Cuda, feeling lots of anger from you my friend. Just to clarify, what I said if you take time from bashing me to read it, is that "If ONLY one person on the Donzi Registry felt motivated to give to these unfortunate folks then I am glad that I posted it".

Hope that you have a great day. :salute:
Any anger you feel is of your own making. I just point out what I see as wrong. Nothing personal. If you think that dumping money into this black hole is the answer, by all means follow what you think. A man must have the courage of his convictions.

[oledawg]

:popcorn:

[Cuda]

You win. I don't want to debate it with you. As Dale Carnegie said in the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" said, the more you argue your point, the more sure the other person thinks they are right.