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Cord
01-08-2010, 03:51 PM
Looking to sell my blackhawk drive. It has seen 0 hours since it was rebuilt by Gary Meisenburg. 1.5 ratio. Couple of scratches in the paint from a steering bracket that used to be mounted. Sorry, but I don't have the bracket. I do have 27, 29 and 31" props. Two sets are freshly rebuilt (thinned, sharpened, polished). The third set is like stock. I also have a custom set of Hoss 28" props. The person buying the drive gets first dibs on the props. If he doesn't want them, then they'll be available loose.

$4,000 for the drive
$1,000 for the rebuilt props
$800 for the other set
$1,200 for the Hoss set
$7,000 for everything

Prices are firm.

MDonziM
02-05-2010, 06:04 PM
I'm interested in the 29's if you have them. Where are you located?
Marshall

Cord
02-05-2010, 06:18 PM
I'm located just north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That said, I still need to sell the drive first.

mrfixxall
02-05-2010, 08:43 PM
I'm located just north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That said, I still need to sell the drive first.

to be honest and no offence your asking to much for the drive,theirs a guy @ the chain o lakes has new ones for 5 k..

Cord
02-05-2010, 09:11 PM
to be honest and no offence your asking to much for the drive,theirs a guy @ the chain o lakes has new ones for 5 k..

Actually, there was a guy down there a few years ago that was selling new ones for $1500. I bought my drive for that and then I spent 3500 on the rebuild. If it had a year of use, I'd sell it for less, but I never even mounted it.

fegettes
02-05-2010, 09:25 PM
Not to say that you asking to much, but I bought a new Blackhawk drive with the 1.5 gears last July off of this site as a spare drive for $3500. And Mike Miller needed it and passed it off to him for the same price.

If I were desparate, $5,000 used might be a good price. Maybe you have to wait for that desperate person.

MDonziM
02-06-2010, 08:19 AM
I'm located just north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That said, I still need to sell the drive first.
OK. Just curious what your application was and what the Hoss props were supposed to do better than the stock?

Cord
02-06-2010, 08:40 AM
I was going to mount the drive on my 26' cat. The boat was a splash of the American Offshore hull. I had been running a shortie lower and was looking to improve my midrange and top end. The props were purchased as an opportunity presented it's self. A 21' if I remember correctly. They are more of a chopper prop than a cleaver so they bring the cup around the tip. This should help carry the bow better.

MDonziM
02-06-2010, 02:03 PM
I was going to mount the drive on my 26' cat. The boat was a splash of the American Offshore hull. I had been running a shortie lower and was looking to improve my midrange and top end. The props were purchased as an opportunity presented it's self. A 21' if I remember correctly. They are more of a chopper prop than a cleaver so they bring the cup around the tip. This should help carry the bow better.
I have a chopper style small bh prop but have not seen a large prop in that style. Is the rear or large prop from hoss a chopper style also?
Thanks again, MDM

thriller
02-06-2010, 02:04 PM
any pics of the set up?
by set up I mean everything:)
Thanks

Cord
02-06-2010, 09:55 PM
I'm out of town this weekend, But I'll get both of your questions answered.

mrfixxall
02-07-2010, 11:48 AM
mr x in this trend and then mine below his..

http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57319

Cord
02-08-2010, 01:20 PM
As requested, pics of the drive and props and a close up of the Hoss prop.

MDonziM
02-14-2010, 01:50 PM
If the Hoss's or the 29's become avail. pm me. Thanks

michael belisle
02-21-2010, 05:44 AM
i am seriously thinking of putting this set up on my 05 22c 425 b1x could anyone here give some input has to what can be expected.i am not one to run wot all day but on occ and on cords set up is it the pitch or the prop dia that is diff in the diff set of props thanks in advance mike.

michael belisle
03-12-2010, 06:13 PM
any blackhawk props out there for sale just purchased a brand new blackhawk to try on my 05 22c b1x 425 hp thanks mike.any pitch suggestions.

yeller
03-13-2010, 12:51 AM
any blackhawk props out there for sale just purchased a brand new blackhawk to try on my 05 22c b1x 425 hp thanks mike.any pitch suggestions.Make sure you post your results. Very interested.

MDonziM
03-14-2010, 04:08 PM
any blackhawk props out there for sale just purchased a brand new blackhawk to try on my 05 22c b1x 425 hp thanks mike.any pitch suggestions.
Well I posted before on another thread and you didn't respond but I'll give you another shot... I put a blackhawk on a 94 22 with stock 502mpi. Maby 1 mph faster. Handles well at high speed but has other drawbacks. Does not handle sloppy water as well and obviously, comes out of the water sooner than a bravo. I put a 650 hp 540 in my boat so there are other advantages to the blackhawk. The standard 27" propset is prob what you want.

Marshall

michael belisle
03-15-2010, 04:36 PM
thanks marshall sorry i missed your post on the other thread i will take your advise and start with the 27s the guy i bought the drive from suggested going to up on the pitch on the rear prop as 27 on the frt and 29 on the rear or 29 frt and 31 rear does this make any sense to you.or should i run both props the same pitch.i am just playing around here and know nothing about this i am going on the less drag more speed theory thanks mike.

Cord
03-15-2010, 04:39 PM
They come staggered so run a straight pitch.

michael belisle
03-15-2010, 06:04 PM
cord thanks any chance you would sell me the 27s for the right price ? let me know what it would take if you would be interested thanks mike.

Cord
03-15-2010, 06:13 PM
I've gotten literally two dozen offers on the props. Very limited interest in the drive though. A couple of tire kickers and a few low ball offers. Anyways, if I can't sell the drive, then I might have a need for the props. Ultimately, until I can sell the drive, I can't be selling the props. For some prices, take a look at the #1 post...

MDonziM
03-16-2010, 06:09 PM
thanks marshall sorry i missed your post on the other thread i will take your advise and start with the 27s the guy i bought the drive from suggested going to up on the pitch on the rear prop as 27 on the frt and 29 on the rear or 29 frt and 31 rear does this make any sense to you.or should i run both props the same pitch.i am just playing around here and know nothing about this i am going on the less drag more speed theory thanks mike.

Like cord said, the prop sets come matched so my understanding is a 27" set is actually a 26 and a 28 roughly, so, there is no benefit to mixing up sets. If your x-dim is higher than my 22 you might gain a little rpm/mph over my results but I would still bet on a 27" set. I have also found that on my 22, the setup(bravo) likes cup so that would be like adding 1" of pitch. I'll be curious to hear what your results are.

michael belisle
03-17-2010, 05:55 PM
mdonzim thanks for your input. I am going to take the boat out of storage soon . I am going to run the dogsnot out if it at wot to see where it will run on good water, once I get some props. I think I may have found a set .I will giversome with the blackhawk and propset and will post my results, hopefully I wont find an immediate need for external steering . Thanks mike.:nilly:

VetteLT193
03-18-2010, 07:02 AM
I have read that they are hard on gimbals. That probably has to do with the length of the drive and the leverage they have. External steering will prevent that issue.

Rusty3
04-15-2011, 08:03 PM
Do you still have Blackhawk drive for sale? If so, please contact me at 707-888-8861. Rusty

MOP
04-16-2011, 04:03 AM
I have read that they are hard on gimbals. That probably has to do with the length of the drive and the leverage they have. External steering will prevent that issue.

Having run a BH for one season and part of another I could not disagree more, the counter rotating props neutralize steering torque there is no side to side pull. The drive also has very little trim effect, IMO it has less load compared to a Bravo in all respects.

younger
04-16-2011, 08:13 AM
Totally agree Phil. In some cases I was told by Dave Bostic that they would put a very small bend in the rear of the skeg to load up the steering. This was back in the early 90's when they were testing props and drives with cable steering.

roadtrip se
04-18-2011, 05:50 PM
I have been around a bunch of these boats and the gimbal wear is the achilles heal for this drive, if you truly run them at high speeds. The drive is semi-surfacing and there are two props, so the re-entry point puts incredible stress on the transom assembly of the boat. I wouldn't run one without full steering for very long, because the rams tend to spread out the load, not to mention give better control. I have talked to the developers of this rig, Gary Miesenberg and Mel Riggs, and they concur.

big bore
04-19-2011, 03:59 PM
hi
there was a member here with a 20 cig with a black hawk on it does any body remember him im thinking of putting one on mine and what kind of hp will they handle

Rusty3
04-19-2011, 05:15 PM
from rusty call asap 707-8888861

MDonziM
04-19-2011, 06:09 PM
hi
there was a member here with a 20 cig with a black hawk on it does any body remember him im thinking of putting one on mine and what kind of hp will they handle

I have a 22c with 625-650hp and about 75hrs on my drive. I have seen 20cigs with 700-800hp run them and with 1.35 ratio too. They can be built/rebuilt with xr bearings etc. Its all how you drive it.

lakematdude
04-20-2011, 03:23 AM
Do you still have Blackhawk drive for sale? If so, please contact me at 707-888-8861. Rusty


from rusty call asap 707-8888861Hello Rusty, We still have a few Blackhawk Drive for sale. Check your private message box if your still interested.:wink::) Thanks.:)

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