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gcarter
12-30-2009, 09:22 PM
Brian Guggenmos (BGuggenmos) bought this TR during '89 new and untitled in the Seattle area.
But what's unique about it is it may be the only Ford 460/King Cobra powered TR built.
I told Brian it's really inspiring to me to see some pictures of one that's as new and unmolested.
I know it's only a matter of time, but it's easy to think it'll never be finished so it's good to see one all together.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52967&stc=1&d=1262229328

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52968&stc=1&d=1262229328

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52969&stc=1&d=1262229328

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52970&stc=1&d=1262229328

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52971&stc=1&d=1262229328

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52972&stc=1&d=1262229328

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52973&stc=1&d=1262229328

axelkloehn
12-31-2009, 04:29 AM
...on the last pix it looks like the Fujiyama in the background, nice area...

...and a beautiful boat!!

Happy new years eve to all of you!

Axel :germany:

Carl C
12-31-2009, 08:12 AM
Thanks for sharing. Don't worry about yours not getting finished. Everyone in the Donzi community knows how good your work is. I'd like to see someone put some serious power in your boat. Hold out and it WILL sell; don't give away all that hard work.

gonzojessie
12-31-2009, 09:36 AM
Love pic #6

fogducker III
12-31-2009, 12:05 PM
I believe that is Mt.Baker in the background...? We have that as a "back-drop" here as well....

mrfixxall
12-31-2009, 12:08 PM
For a minute their george i thought you worked your tail off and got your boat done! :)

b.guggenmos
01-01-2010, 01:37 PM
I am glad you liked the pictures. The mountain is Mt. Rainier and did any of you eagle eyes catch the Space Needle in the background of #5 I think it is.

If anyone is wondering what is going on with the person on the deck with the screwdriver that is Brian Main. A current 22C owner. We had run a race from Olympia Wa to Roche Harbor in the San Juans which is a pretty long run. It took about 53 gallons of gas and about 2 1/2 hours. We ran flat out most of the way and it was really rough in places. A bunch of the deck screws were falling out and Brian was tightening them back up.

Thanks George for posting these. Brian

donzi racer
01-01-2010, 02:29 PM
Just for info, I know of only one 460 w/cobra TR which is the one pictured,(is yours a King Cobra drive or what they call the beginning of the King Cobras?)

I know of 1 350 GM/cobra Minx TR which is a Donzi board members, and a 350 GM/cobra TR 18 classic. Just wondering if anyone knows if there were more Testa Rossa's that had OMC drives? Are these near the end of the run, closer to when OMC bought Donzi? Kind of neat if there was only one of each model that had a OMC drive but?

Finally, George neat thread, I am looking for some more pics of 22 TR's I have somewhere. Will post if I can find them. Would really be neat to know how many are still out there. Have you started a spreadsheet like you did on the Minx?


Thanks, Tom

gcarter
01-01-2010, 02:39 PM
A very rough one, missing about half of the hull numbers, and some of the owners names are geographic locations.
Brian told me he found the boat in Seattle, new and unregistered, and single digit hours on the engine in '89.

fogducker III
01-01-2010, 05:16 PM
I am glad you liked the pictures. The mountain is Mt. Rainier and did any of you eagle eyes catch the Space Needle in the background of #5 I think it is.

If anyone is wondering what is going on with the person on the deck with the screwdriver that is Brian Main. A current 22C owner. We had run a race from Olympia Wa to Roche Harbor in the San Juans which is a pretty long run. It took about 53 gallons of gas and about 2 1/2 hours. We ran flat out most of the way and it was really rough in places. A bunch of the deck screws were falling out and Brian was tightening them back up.

Thanks George for posting these. Brian

Well knock me down with a feather, they both have a similar profile...I guess if we could see Rainier from here I would have known...:frown:

That run to Roche IS a long way........:cool:

gcarter
01-01-2010, 06:29 PM
Brian sent me a few more:

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53024&stc=1&d=1262391922

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53025&stc=1&d=1262391922

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53026&stc=1&d=1262391922

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53027&stc=1&d=1262391922

BUIZILLA
01-01-2010, 07:24 PM
wasn't Greg K's boat a Testa with KC?

Planetwarmer
01-01-2010, 09:19 PM
I saw a Lambo Countach the other day. It was all red with all white interior. It looked amazing. It had such a clean look. Your boat is making me think about painting my red. It sure looks good

donzi racer
01-01-2010, 10:03 PM
A very rough one, missing about half of the hull numbers, and some of the owners names are geographic locations.
Brian told me he found the boat in Seattle, new and unregistered, and single digit hours on the engine in '89.

George, send me what you have, I have 3 more to add to it and a minx TR and a 18 if you are keeping up with those.

Am including pics of one here. Notice the KILLER ROBOT on the rear hatch. I know, I know, but the boat is really something else! One of the WILDEST things about it, is the horn button by where the passengers left knee would be. It was explained to me that the button is hooked up to a 450 HP Nitrous Shot System for when the driver had too much going on to be able to hit the button at his right knee. I cannot believe there would be anyone that would sit there & hit that button, but it is a cool looking concept. Lets see, over 1000 Horse Power with no hydraulic steering, no Parachute, and who knows what you would be able to hold on to, after you hit that silly button. WHEEEEEEEE! There went LeRoy right out the back of the boat! Would have been a clean shot except he hit and is hanging off that silly Killer Robot looking thingy. Tom

PS Ok, I would drive it, if we can find someone crazy xxxx DUH, I mean BRAVE enough to hit THAT button!

gcarter
01-01-2010, 10:25 PM
Fast Donzi DMRCD267G788

Don Neubauer DMRCD270G788 454/Bravo

Pete DMRCD271G788? 454 Bravo?


Metraman DMRCD273H788 468/Bravo

Mid Ohio

Gus

For sale in CA

gcarter DMRCD276H788 454/Bravo


98 Shovel DMRCD280I788 460 BBF/King Cobra

Jamie DMRCD286J788 454/Bravo

Hull#280 is the boat pictured above, 98 Shovel is the current owner. We thought it was the last built until Jamie bought his.
And yes, #280 and #286 would be OMC boats I believe.

donzi racer
01-02-2010, 01:40 AM
Thanks George, will get back with you on any additions. I think you have 2 of the ones I was talking about but can deliver some more info on them. So in your opinion, is there other 1988 22 classics in between some of these hull #'s or does that look there was at least 20 of them between those hull #'s? If you have 9 and I have at least one more that would be 10 that you know of, would we not think that maybe there were 25 of them made? I will get back with some more info on 1 or 2 of the ones you have there. Thanks, Tom

PS check out the one below, wonder what hull # it is? LOL T

PSS when you say #280 & #286 are OMC, you mean OMC era, not that they both have OMC King Cobra drives, right?

gcarter
01-02-2010, 07:02 AM
I do not think the numbering was sequential. I don't think there were more than 10 or 12 built.
And yes, OMC era, not drives.

mattyboy
01-02-2010, 09:19 AM
I do not think the numbering was sequential. I don't think there were more than 10 or 12 built.
And yes, OMC era, not drives.

280 and 286 are staples era are they not being built in 87??

plus not all ,all red boats are testa's correct???

gcarter
01-02-2010, 09:48 AM
280 and 286 are staples era are they not being built in 87??

plus not all ,all red boats are testa's correct???

Matty, you're correct, not all red boats are TR's. These are supposed to be confirmed.....but you know how that goes.

So help me out.....when was the transition to OMC?
I'm just making some assumptions here.

mattyboy
01-02-2010, 10:15 AM
unofficially very late 87, 88 is what is believed officially.

Dick Genth was courting OMC during 87 . Genth was doing this with out authority and the knowledge of the Chairman and majority owner at the time Jack Staples.


In 87 Staples planned to take the company public. Genth wanted to buy out Staples just before the unknown OMC deal then sell to OMC( just like in all the westerns the guy who buys up all the land before the railroad came thru). Staples learned of this and sold his shares directly to OMC.



Staples and Genth had different visions for Donzi. Staples wanted what we know Donzi for stylish well made boats, quality and small production, Genth on the other hand wanted to be the biggest boat company at the expense of quality and style.

in 1988 when Genth had the reigns under OMC ownership his vision became evident in the donzi model lineup.hence the regazza

during the OMC courtship I am sure there were a few OMC powered boats produced.

gcarter
01-02-2010, 10:43 AM
.during the OMC courtship I am sure there were a few OMC powered boats produced.


That's what I was wondering.....

donzi racer
01-02-2010, 10:52 AM
280 and 286 are staples era are they not being built in 87??

plus not all ,all red boats are testa's correct???

Just curious, I have heard that comment before about not all red boats being TR's but what would make it a TR? 1988 model year, all red, no center racing or water line stripes, stainless Italian windshield, grey upholstery w/red piping (same as Limited Edition in 1987 & Special Edition in 1988). Am I missing anything? Hull # maybe? Seems like I remember some of the 18 TRs being in order. Do we know a total production # for all the 1988 22 foot classic boats? I only know of 4 18 foot TR's and 3 TR Minx' so I think it is cool, that there is at least 10 22 foot TR's that seem to be semi Documented or Found. Tom

PS for what it is worth, I know of only 1 in each or the 3 TR models to be equipped with OMC drives. Of course that only means that I have only found that # up to now. Would be neat to know if that was on purpose or just coincidence. It also does not look like those 3 OMC drive boats were the last ones made, since Jamie's or Lakeside's is the highest # found so far in a 22 and it is a Bravo. Just something to ponder. T

gcarter
01-02-2010, 10:58 AM
The only place it says it is right here;
As you can see, it was a pretty expensive boat....if I remember correctly, allowing for inflation, it comes to more than $80K.


http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31261&d=1187747955

donzi racer
01-02-2010, 11:17 AM
Thanks so much for posting that George, it is great. Tom

Donzi Vol
01-02-2010, 11:34 AM
This is incredibly interesting. Thanks, george and matty for the info.

oledawg
01-02-2010, 02:13 PM
Agreed, totally interesting thread! I don't have a TR but do have a '88 22C hull number 274 with the Bravo One. It has the Italian SS windshield of course but is standard paint scheme of red hull, white deck with red stripe.

donzi racer
01-02-2010, 08:15 PM
Agreed, totally interesting thread! I don't have a TR but do have a '88 22C hull number 274 with the Bravo One. It has the Italian SS windshield of course but is standard paint scheme of red hull, white deck with red stripe.

I do believe you have answerred one of the puzzles which is whether the #'s were sequential for the Testa Rossa's. Now it would be great to see a (what they refer to as a red boat) that is, I guess all red that IS NOT a Testa Rossa. Everyone that I have seen has the things we have talked about earlier, being the seating, the windshield, & no stripes and has been a TR whether it was a Minx, 18 or a 22, whatever that is worth. Tom

PS I would say the Testa Rossa option $1995 is a bargain compared to the $995 cassette radio. Just an observation. T

BUIZILLA
01-02-2010, 08:29 PM
the librarian has all the info.. :wink:

gcarter
01-02-2010, 09:11 PM
PS I would say the Testa Rossa option $1995 is a bargain compared to the $995 cassette radio. Just an observation. T

That's a true statement. I don't remember the brand, but it really wasn't much of a radio. I was glad to toss it.
I would guess there was about $750.00 profit in it.

mattyboy
01-03-2010, 12:41 AM
there are 2 things that make a testa a testa

the build sheet and the sales invoice

otherwise it is just a red boat :yes:

donzi racer
01-03-2010, 03:18 PM
there are 2 things that make a testa a testa

the build sheet and the sales invoice

otherwise it is just a red boat :yes:


Thanks Matty, well in that vein, I think I finally have seen my 1st red boat from that era that is not a TR. It is hull # DMRCD348E989. It is advertised as a Testa Rosa and has had a lot of upgrades to the interior, dash & gauges, new paint and does have the 7.4 litre motor and the Bravo outdrive. All red with grey interior originally (they think). It would be good for anyone that likes the looks of the Testa Rossa but wants one that is updated. It was on craigslist in New Jersey for $17,500 and was reported a 1989 model. Tom

PS MATTY, WHAT IS YOUR OPPINION OF WHAT THE EXTRA $1995 CHARGE FOR THE TESTA ROSSA'S WAS FOR?

donzi racer
01-03-2010, 03:37 PM
[quote=gcarter;552299]Fast Donzi DMRCD267G788

Don Neubauer DMRCD270G788 454/Bravo

Pete DMRCD271H788? 454 Bravo?


Metraman DMRCD273H788 468/Bravo

Mid Ohio

Gus


gcarter DMRCD276H788 454/Bravo


98 Shovel DMRCD280I788 460 BBF/King Cobra


Not for sale in California DMRCD283I788


Jamie DMRCD286J788 454/Bravo


George, I did some get you some more info and a hull # for the one in California. It seems it came from Arizona originally and even though it still is incorrectly listed for sale on a site, it sold over a year ago. Very low hours (260) Basically sounds like an original TR with a 7.4 engine and bravo drive. orig interior and dash. Still in California and the hull # is DMRCD283I788. Sale price was around asking price on the ad or $18000. Tom

PS George, also Pete's TR was off just a bit in your hull #. I corrected it on the listing above. It was DMRCD271H788 instead of the G before the 788. T

Greg K
01-03-2010, 04:41 PM
wasn't Greg K's boat a Testa with KC?
Is a solid red built 22 in 1992-3, KC yes...Testa no

gcarter
01-03-2010, 08:27 PM
Well, if they built 10 of them, this covers it.
Of course, some of these may NOT be real TR's but the ones w/hull #'s probably are.

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 07:50 AM
Well, if they built 10 of them, this covers it.
Of course, some of these may NOT be real TR's but the ones w/hull #'s probably are.

George, I agree with the ones with the hull #'s are probably TR's. This is just an observation that I had is that every boat that I have ever seen in 1987 or 1988 that had grey interior with red piping was a special edition type boat. For instance the 1987 Limited EDITION, THE 1988 SPECIAL EDITION, & the Testa Rossa Edition, each made in three models, (classic 18, Minx, & classic 22). Has anyone seen that Grey interior with the red piping used on any non special type edition boats? Lastly the 1989 model boat that I found with a 347 or whatever hull # had Testa Rossa on the side of the boat. Maybe someone that had seen a 1988 Testa Rossa asked Donzi to build them a similar boat in 1989 to the earlier Testa Rossa's and then added the Testa Rossa name to the side? Has anyone ever seen any indication of the words Testa Rossa anywhere on the TR's that have been documented? Like the way the Limited Edition had that on the side and on the front stripe. Anyway some stuff to think about. Tom

PS George what do we know about the mid ohio TR or the Gus TR? Maybe I can track down the hull #'s on them like the California Boat. Just a thought, T

gcarter
01-04-2010, 08:24 AM
Smoothie know something about the "Mid Ohio" boat and posted a picture of it. It's around somewhere.

"Gus" was a boat i was told about....kind of like the California boat.

There was also a boat that sold in NJ two weeks ago on Craig's List, at least the ad expired, whether it sold or not. I emailed the poster but received no response.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53069&stc=1&d=1262614555

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53070&stc=1&d=1262614555

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53071&stc=1&d=1262614555

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53072&stc=1&d=1262614555

mattyboy
01-04-2010, 08:34 AM
what is a special edition???? there is no such model in 88 that i have ever seen or know of??? the special editions didn't come out until 02 or 03 ???? do you mean the silver grayish 25th (silver)anniversary editions

plus not all limited editions came with grey interior some were produced in all red as well.

they did use gray interiors starting in about 85-86 the piping always tied in to a color in the hull so I have seen grey with red ,blue,burgundy and black piping as well al all gray used mainly on 18's.
They seemed to use a wider variety of colors with the 18 than on the minx or 22 probably more affordable custom orders on the 18 coming in than the minx or 22.


most of these "limited/special/higher retail models got there cues from custom orders or what was going in the Donzi world at the time.

blueliners custom AE boat after that the GT and Shelby came the same way. the 40th Anniv. boats with the prop logo on the hatch taken from Pearson's world class pumkin.

BUIZILLA
01-04-2010, 09:00 AM
the Akron Ohio TR was a neglected piece of sh!t

gcarter
01-04-2010, 09:47 AM
Yes it was;

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30109&d=1183851978

gcarter
01-04-2010, 09:53 AM
What's interesting is my boat originally came from PA and then sold to someone in Ohio, it was on the registry list......, until it sold to Jerry Eisele who sold it to me.
It looked exactly like this boat at the time I bought it, except cleaner, other than the cockpit cover was gray and not red like this one.
Regardless, it's still very sad.

BUIZILLA
01-04-2010, 10:21 AM
the water line on the inside was as bad as the outside... :frown: :boggled:

I have some Buick racing friends that live on that lake..

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 11:33 AM
what is a special edition???? there is no such model in 88 that i have ever seen or know of??? the special editions didn't come out until 02 or 03 ???? do you mean the silver grayish 25th (silver)anniversary editions

plus not all limited editions came with grey interior some were produced in all red as well.

they did use gray interiors starting in about 85-86 the piping always tied in to a color in the hull so I have seen grey with red ,blue,burgundy and black piping as well al all gray used mainly on 18's.
They seemed to use a wider variety of colors with the 18 than on the minx or 22 probably more affordable custom orders on the 18 coming in than the minx or 22.


most of these "limited/special/higher retail models got there cues from custom orders or what was going in the Donzi world at the time.

blueliners custom AE boat after that the GT and Shelby came the same way. the 40th Anniv. boats with the prop logo on the hatch taken from Pearson's world class pumkin.

Matty, you are right about it being the 25th Anniversary edition instead of Special edition. That always confuses me, cause what is it the 25th anniversary of, in 1988? I slipped and said special edition, but it is the Grey boat you are referring to. Now as far as the interior color goes, it was just an observation that in the 1987 and 1988 boats of the 18's 20's & 22's I have seen in those 3 special edition type boats that we are talking about, they have always either been Grey w/red piping or were originally that color combo, if they had been changed. I have not seen all of them of course, but 11 TR's in different sizes, 3 Anniversary Editions, & 10 of the LE boats & all had that interior. Now keep in mind that the 1987 to 88 models had the red piping no matter what the colors of the boats or stripes were. I do believe the Anniversary and the Limited Editions had the small red pin stripes along the deck stripes though & the TR was all red so that would seem right. I have not ever seen any other boats in the 1987 or 1988 model boats in the 3 sizes we are talking about that had that same interior combo. If there are some, wonder what their significance is? Just thinking outloud mostly but it is curious, Tom

PS If anyone has ever seen other color interiors in any of those three edition boats, that would be good to know. Of course if the interior was original. t

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 11:39 AM
What's interesting is my boat originally came from PA and then sold to someone in Ohio, it was on the registry list......, until it sold to Jerry Eisele who sold it to me.
It looked exactly like this boat at the time I bought it, except cleaner, other than the cockpit cover was gray and not red like this one.
Regardless, it's still very sad.


I have heard of crazier things George but 2 boats from Ohio that both have that crazy hood scoop out of only 10 known boats, does sound more than a coincidense. Do you think they are the same boat? We would have to scratch one off the list if that is the case. It would be neat though to see it go from that condition to what it is going to be when you get er done. Tom

PS seems it would be better if this is the case instead of leaving one in that condition sitting in the water. T

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 11:48 AM
[quote=gcarter;552451]Smoothie know something about the "Mid Ohio" boat and posted a picture of it. It's around somewhere.

"Gus" was a boat i was told about....kind of like the California boat.

There was also a boat that sold in NJ two weeks ago on Craig's List, at least the ad expired, whether it sold or not. I emailed the poster but received no response.


George, I talked with him the other night and this is the one that was the 1989 boat. I Mentioned it earlier in this thread and it has a 348 hull #. I thought it was one of the ones they might be talking about that is all red and not a TR. It did have the Grey seats w/red piping though like the other TR's out there. I thought someone saw a TR from 1988 and wanted a boat the same color & Donzi made it for them. Same interior and all. It has been updated and has been recently Painted. They redid the interior also. Now it is red & grey like a 2 tone. Tom

PS any other info on Gus boat? location or ? where we can include it or write it off. T

Sweet Cheekz
01-04-2010, 03:45 PM
the Akron Ohio TR was a neglected piece of sh!t

You would make a good movie reviewer!
Parnell

Bamboo Loui
01-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Wasn't there a TR for sale last year from the Bellville Mi area???
couple of people looked at it-- he tried hard to sell it but if I remember, someone looked at it and trashed his ad???

If I remember- he started at around 20 and ended under 15 and no sale?

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 04:42 PM
Wasn't there a TR for sale last year from the Bellville Mi area???
couple of people looked at it-- he tried hard to sell it but if I remember, someone looked at it and trashed his ad???

If I remember- he started at around 20 and ended under 15 and no sale?

I believe you are talking about the Metraman TR close to Detroit Mich. It is a good reminder that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The boat was purchased from New York for 25k plus around 2k for transport. Then the fresh built monster motor blew up, because the crankshaft was not balanced correctly. The new owner put another 6k in having that same motor redone by a very reputable machine shop in Detroit Mich and the motor had a total of less than 20 hours on it when offered for sale. The boat was replaced by a 100+ mph outboard cat and sat around storage at the shop for around 3 years. When he 1st offered his $33,000 invested Testa Rosta for sale, it was $25,000 which he thought would be a pretty good deal. It is a perfect candidate of when someone does not know about something, then there must be something wrong with it. Especially when it takes 3 years to get rid of it. It sat for 3 years and the price was lowered from the original 25k to 23,500, 22,500, 21,000, 20,000, 18,000, 17,500, 16,000, 15,000 & finally BELOW. The person that owned the boat in the New York area had a TR of each size, 18, 20, & the 22, which I think is a neat thing if you can afford it. All I can say is the boat was fantastic for a 20 year old boat with a fresh motor in it. Put in New batteries, fresh fuel, oil change, shined her up, and WOW what a runner & looker. There were a few larger gel cracks that had to be repaired from someone trying to put new snaps in around the rear of the cockpit. Easy fix though & the boat was relatively stock, original except the motor, pipes, and the hydraulic steering. Stupid roller trailer though, not anymore. The 1st time I saw it, I just shook my head and smiled ear to ear. Knock on wood, runs like a scalded dog with no issues mechanically. One mans Junk is another mans treasure but that boat was a treasure anyway you looked at it. Tom

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 05:40 PM
I read on an older thread this statement from Don (My Number Is Dmr00270g788 , I Was Told ( Donzi Dealer ) Pete's Boat Is One Number From Mine.)

Somehow it was assumed that the 1 spot from Don's # was 271 and was PETE's? That threw me, since it is true that a Pete from Florida does now own #271 but it is not the Pete that you mention, I don't believe. I believe #269 could be the one that Don is speaking of. The 271 TR was a one owner boat special ordered that was up on a mountain lake in west Maryland for 21 years and recently moved to Florida, now a two owner. It is also the Lingenfelter motor one I referred to earlier. It is # 271. That snafu may be that we have found # 10 again George if yours is the one from Ohio with the hood scoop? What do you think? I thought I had found another one in Lake Tahoe from 2007 but it is the same one that was from California that sold over a year ago & is hull # 283. I love this kind of stuff. When you search out these rare ones, it is amazing that we have found as many as we have after 20 years. Sorry to keep posting but get excited everytime I find or realize that we figured out another one. Tom

PS just remember if we find 2 more, we can do a doozy of a calender. ha ha T

PSS What ever happened to the All red boat advertised as a Testa Rossa in Mobile Alabama that was offered for $28,000 & was for sale for a real long time. Seems like it was around 3 to 5 years back. Just one I had forgotten about. T

PSSS GEORGE, New List might look like this now, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Fast Donzi DMRCD267G788

? Pete DMRCD269G788? or even possibly DMRCD272H788?

Don Neubauer DMRCD270G788 454/Bravo

TESTA ROSSA Pete DMRCD271G788? 496 LINGENFELTER/BRAVO "Confirmed" FLORIDA

Metraman DMRCD273H788 468/Bravo "Confirmed" FLORIDA

GCarter DMRCD276H788 454/Bravo- "Confirmed" FLORIDA

98 Shovel DMRCD280I788 460 BBF/King Cobra "Confirmed"

Not for sale in California DMRCD283I788 "Confirmed" CALIFORNIA

Jamie DMRCD286J788 454/Bravo

? Gus

? Mobile Alabama $28,000 TR from 3 to 5 years ago?

gcarter
01-04-2010, 08:33 PM
Well, here's what mine looked like when I bought it....
Keep in mind that several of these boats had the large scoops including Metraman.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29047&d=1179720209

And here it is w/the deck off.....it looks grungy, not water logged.
If what Jim says is true, someone could have cleaned out the engine compartment, but not the bilge under the deck.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31700&d=1190046501

gcarter
01-04-2010, 08:44 PM
And # 280, Brians old boat is confirmed as Brian did have all the paperwork as he bought it new.

BUIZILLA
01-04-2010, 08:46 PM
there HAS to be enough water inside to equal the waterline outside.. sure looks like the waterline intrudes inside the exhaust flanges :eek:

b.guggenmos
01-04-2010, 08:54 PM
This is really turning out to be a great thread and it looks like you guy's are going to figure and verify each TR. Keep up the good work.
I think when I bought mine there was an invoice like the one George posted but I don't remember if I got it or not when I picked up the boat. That was almost 22 years ago. It did have the Donzi pouch full of all the goodies that I should have kept and a Momo steering wheel cover. I sold it on consignment at the then Seattle Donzi dealer. It also was in pretty poor condition at one time. EricG had some pictures of it with nasty water lines and looked really sad.
I am not sure who 98Shovel bough it from.
It seems strange how many of these boats got left to go to crap but it is good to see them come back. Brian

donzi racer
01-04-2010, 09:00 PM
George, I still have your Scoop, maybe I should keep that as a collectors item. Metramans TR never had a scoop in all the pics that I have seen. The hatch still looked original when it was picked up in Michigan. That thing really hauls coal. Very Very Strong. Wonder about the time frame of when the one that looks so ruff in Ohio was or is still there? Would Jerry not know if it was the same boat? Any other TR's that had the scoop? Wonder what happen to the one in Mobile, AL? Do you have states that some of them are located in now? Will add it to the list. Really taking shape now. So glad you started this thread. Great stuff. Tom

PS George do you have some pics of the rear outside of the boat before you started the teardown? Also the front hull area would be good. I believe it is the boat from Ohio from the pics. I am sure it had dual ram hydraulic steering with that big motor in it, right? Now I see why people were telling me that motor had some GO JO in it. I do believe when we get this list completed, it is going to be very very rare to find one of these TR's in original condition. Maybe 2 or 3 out of the 10 to 12? I guess that would be about right for 20 someodd years. T

Brian Main
01-05-2010, 01:54 AM
EricG had some pictures of it with nasty water lines and looked really sad.

Brian, I have copies of the pictures from when it was sitting up at Wilson Marine with that nasty smuck on the bottom and the deck all pink from oxidation. One shows the Orca fresh water cooling system you added.
They're out that the house, I'll burn then to disk and drop them by. My dial up would take a week to send them.
I think I may have some others from Mayfield.
Brian.

Bamboo Loui
01-06-2010, 01:46 PM
I believe you are talking about the Metraman TR close to Detroit Mich. It is a good reminder that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The boat was purchased from New York for 25k plus around 2k for transport. Then the fresh built monster motor blew up, because the crankshaft was not balanced correctly. The new owner put another 6k in having that same motor redone by a very reputable machine shop in Detroit Mich and the motor had a total of less than 20 hours on it when offered for sale. The boat was replaced by a 100+ mph outboard cat and sat around storage at the shop for around 3 years. When he 1st offered his $33,000 invested Testa Rosta for sale, it was $25,000 which he thought would be a pretty good deal. It is a perfect candidate of when someone does not know about something, then there must be something wrong with it. Especially when it takes 3 years to get rid of it. It sat for 3 years and the price was lowered from the original 25k to 23,500, 22,500, 21,000, 20,000, 18,000, 17,500, 16,000, 15,000 & finally BELOW. The person that owned the boat in the New York area had a TR of each size, 18, 20, & the 22, which I think is a neat thing if you can afford it. All I can say is the boat was fantastic for a 20 year old boat with a fresh motor in it. Put in New batteries, fresh fuel, oil change, shined her up, and WOW what a runner & looker. There were a few larger gel cracks that had to be repaired from someone trying to put new snaps in around the rear of the cockpit. Easy fix though & the boat was relatively stock, original except the motor, pipes, and the hydraulic steering. Stupid roller trailer though, not anymore. The 1st time I saw it, I just shook my head and smiled ear to ear. Knock on wood, runs like a scalded dog with no issues mechanically. One mans Junk is another mans treasure but that boat was a treasure anyway you looked at it. Tom

Tom-- no diss from me regarding Metramans boat. I talked with him. I liked what he had to say. Too me he was as honest as you could hope for. For me- since I knew nothing about Donzis at the time ( now I know next to nothing) I opted to buy a newer boat. But --- today, if I had the money I would buy it in a second and do a restore.
I thought someone here ( .net ) really put his boat down. I cannot find the post but was surprized. I know his boat was in the shape he described and felt his price was in line.

doug

gcarter
01-06-2010, 02:14 PM
PS George do you have some pics of the rear outside of the boat before you started the teardown? Also the front hull area would be good. I believe it is the boat from Ohio from the pics. I am sure it had dual ram hydraulic steering with that big motor in it, right? Now I see why people were telling me that motor had some GO JO in it. I do believe when we get this list completed, it is going to be very very rare to find one of these TR's in original condition. Maybe 2 or 3 out of the 10 to 12? I guess that would be about right for 20 someodd years. T

Tom here's a picture of the side and notice the cockpit cover is gray and not faded red.
And this cover is used and not new.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53130&stc=1&d=1262808825

VetteLT193
01-06-2010, 02:16 PM
Tom-- no diss from me regarding Metramans boat. I talked with him. I liked what he had to say. Too me he was as honest as you could hope for. For me- since I knew nothing about Donzis at the time ( now I know next to nothing) I opted to buy a newer boat. But --- today, if I had the money I would buy it in a second and do a restore.
I thought someone here ( .net ) really put his boat down. I cannot find the post but was surprized. I know his boat was in the shape he described and felt his price was in line.

doug

I was pretty interested in his boat a couple years back... when I was shopping and finally bought the Minx. I never read anything bad about it... loaded with everything you need.

donzi racer
01-06-2010, 02:27 PM
Thanks George, I really do believe that is that boat. Newer Grey cockpit cover to match the carpet instead of an old raggedy faded red one that someone would have gotten rid of when cleaning up the mess the other boat was. I noticed a few other things in the pictures that show it is the same that I will go over when I see you. I think it is cool to have one that looked like that one used to, & now to be George Carter CUSTOM BUILT Testa Rossa coming out the other end. Can't get much better than that! Now, how do we get in touch with the other pete, you mention in your list and find out about his hull # for sure. The Pete I put there is accurate. Any more pics of the rear of yours would be good before the undo. Tom

PS maybe do a calling all Testa Rossa's thread on the WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT section to get some of the TR 18 footers, minx's, & the rest of the 22 TR's locked up. Thanks, George for starting this thread, I have something to keep me busy while getting over a devil of a COLD. Did I mention it is COLD in Florida? Oh yea, you already know that. ha ha T

donzi racer
01-06-2010, 03:27 PM
Tom-- no diss from me regarding Metramans boat. I talked with him. I liked what he had to say. Too me he was as honest as you could hope for. For me- since I knew nothing about Donzis at the time ( now I know next to nothing) I opted to buy a newer boat. But --- today, if I had the money I would buy it in a second and do a restore.
I thought someone here ( .net ) really put his boat down. I cannot find the post but was surprized. I know his boat was in the shape he described and felt his price was in line.

doug
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Doug, no problem. There weren't any real bad reviews, but as happens sometime, we get people looking for boats that are 20 years old and in basically original condition except the drive line they somehow forget the age of the boat. That boat definately did not need restoration, it needed a day or two to be fantastic. We have 2 of the 22 TR's here and 1 is a 200 hour kept in a covered lift & garage fresh water original owner all its life and it looks like Brand New. The other one is the Metraman TR and most people cannot tell the difference in the 2 boats NOW! One has Dynoed 781 Horsepower & the other has aprox. 570 HP. Both are much faster than most people want to drive. The Metraman TR was definitely the buy of the century as far as I was concerned. I always look at the older ones as what does it take to make them nice, not new, and what would it cost to replace with a new one. I just found it amusing that when a Donzi does not sell for whatever reason over a period, people just automatically think there is something wrong with it. That particular boat when purchased by Metraman in 2004 was thought to be a fantastic boat & cost right at $32000. 4 years later after it was put away just like it was when it was thought to be fantastic,with only 20 hours on the new motor, it then is considered to be a poor example? SAME BOAT stored away in a large warehouse with dust on it. That is why I smiled ear to ear when I saw it. Great boat just misunderstood. When I researched the engine & builder, talked with him, he gave me a lot of great info on the motor and the owner and how he took care of his things. The owner asked me to set the record straight on the boat, but when I went back to the thread to do so, thread was gone. I believe the boat will be in some of the get togethers here in FLorida soon and others will get to see the ole girl. She is truly a really nice survivor with fresh 20 hour Hi Po motor along for the ride. I really enjoy the histories on the older Donzi's and that is why this Thread is so great, it is like going back in history. I only wish we could do this for some of the other rare Donzi's. I just hate that I am so long winded, but that is the way I talk and write. Thanks for the question though Doug, Tom

PS neither TR boat is for sale, just in case anyone thinks I was writing a sales ad. It is just the way I write.

Ed Donnelly
01-06-2010, 04:02 PM
DR E-mail me please

donzi racer
01-06-2010, 04:33 PM
DR E-mail me please


Ed, I know I had your email addy, but cannot find it. Hit me at 256-777-0844 or mishunaire@aol.com Thanks, Tom

LKSD
01-18-2010, 08:35 AM
I, Dont know how I missed seeing this thread.. Oh well , better late than never.. lol :) J

gcarter
01-18-2010, 08:38 AM
I, Dont know how I missed seeing this thread.. Oh well , better late than never.. lol :) J

So Jamie, post some pictures of yours!

LKSD
01-18-2010, 08:49 AM
Currently I'm pulling mine apart here & there. I am planing to freshen up a lot of stuff & make some upgrades.. :)

Here are some pics from when I went to pick it up & when I got it home.. :) J

LKSD
01-18-2010, 08:51 AM
A couple more :)

breeze400
01-18-2010, 12:06 PM
TRs
Wasn't there a TR for sale last year from the Bellville Mi area???
couple of people looked at it-- he tried hard to sell it but if I remember, someone looked at it and trashed his ad???

If I remember- he started at around 20 and ended under 15 and no sale?

Hi guys! It's been A while since I've spoken hear on this sight! I've been following Georges progress with his TR for A long time now. Came accross this thread today and read through it. I'm the one that went to Detroit last spring and was very very interested in metraman's TR. I fell in love with it from first glance! I've been going through some rough finacial times so I could not come up with the 15 grand to buy her. I though she was A steel for the money. I'm glad to see that someone has finally got her. Allthough I would have bought her this Spring if she was still for sale. Haveing saved up for the last year to buy her! LOL. Oh well!! :frown::frown::frown:

Anyway I can't remember who it was but I'm the one who the bad comments were made to regarding Metraman's TR. Something about cracks in the hull that I did not see. Exsept for around the engin hatch. I talked to George about the boat last year. All in all like I said If I could have got the finances I would have snatched her up in A heart beat!!! I have some Pics that Metraman sent me still with the NY# on the hull if anyone wants to see them I'll post them but they have been on this sight before! Sam. :wink::wink::wink:

LKSD
01-18-2010, 12:14 PM
Mine was From The Grand Haven area of MI, but was not Metraman's.. It was still owned by the original owner & had all of the original books & stuff with it.

I remember seeing Metraman's boat & the discussion here though.. :)

Jamie / Lakeside

breeze400
01-18-2010, 12:38 PM
Mine was From The Grand Haven area of MI, but was not Metraman's.. It was still owned by the original owner & had all of the original books & stuff with it.

I remember seeing Metraman's boat & the discussion here though.. :)


Ya Jamie, I was under the impression that Donzi Racer bought Metraman's TR. Sam:yes::yes::yes:

donzi racer
01-19-2010, 11:30 AM
Ya Jamie, I was under the impression that Donzi Racer bought Metraman's TR. Sam:yes::yes::yes:

Sam, glad you chimed in on this. I was like you when I saw the TR in Detroit, what a steal. It has an awesome engine and runs like a top, & looks fantastic for a 20 year old red boat. A few cosmetic items taken care of and it is great. It is definitely a keeper and that is what happened. Would you please post the pictures you have and I will get some of her in the water when I can. You are welcome to come down to Florida and take a run in her anytime you can. Other than the cosmetics and closed cooling system, she is just the same as you saw her. Thanks, Tom

PS I will keep an eye out for you one, now that you are ready. I think George Carters would make one of the best values out there, especially if you can do some of the finishing touches. T

PSS We are close to a completing a deal on a TR Minx. That would complete the set. One of each 18,20,& 22. Now guess what color my hair was before it started turning grey? LOL

breeze400
01-19-2010, 02:17 PM
Sam, glad you chimed in on this. I was like you when I saw the TR in Detroit, what a steal. It has an awesome engine and runs like a top, & looks fantastic for a 20 year old red boat. A few cosmetic items taken care of and it is great. It is definitely a keeper and that is what happened. Would you please post the pictures you have and I will get some of her in the water when I can. You are welcome to come down to Florida and take a run in her anytime you can. Other than the cosmetics and closed cooling system, she is just the same as you saw her. Thanks, Tom

PS I will keep an eye out for you one, now that you are ready. I think George Carters would make one of the best values out there, especially if you can do some of the finishing touches. T

PSS We are close to a completing a deal on a TR Minx. That would complete the set. One of each 18,20,& 22. Now guess what color my hair was before it started turning grey? LOL

LOL Ok Tom I'm sure you have seen thease pics before but here they are! Sam.

donzi racer
01-19-2010, 07:38 PM
Thanks Sam and I ask you, is that not a good looking red boat? Nice pictures. Thanks Again, Tom

breeze400
01-19-2010, 08:29 PM
Now I'm suprized you did not get the pics from Metraman. If you want me to E-mail them to you let me know!:cool::cool::cool:

Sam

donzi racer
01-20-2010, 09:58 PM
Now I'm suprized you did not get the pics from Metraman. If you want me to E-mail them to you let me know!:cool::cool::cool:

Sam

Thanks Sam, mishunaire@aol.com Tom

donzi racer
03-16-2010, 11:41 PM
Ok, I believe we have got another Testa Rosa documented that is on ebay this week. They are wanting $24,000 including a nice Jet Ski. It is in Mass. It has a Hood Scoop & rather new high performance Engine. They do not seem to know it is a TR. It is a few past Jamie's TR. That would be the newest one we have found. Just thought I would put this in there & bring this one back to the top. Hull # DMRCD289K788 Tom


Freshened list would look like this.


Fast Donzi DMRCD267G788

? Pete DMRCD269G788? or even possibly DMRCD272H788?

Don Neubauer DMRCD270G788 454/Bravo

TESTA ROSSA Pete DMRCD271G788? 496 LINGENFELTER/BRAVO "Confirmed" FLORIDA

Metraman DMRCD273H788 468/Bravo "Confirmed" FLORIDA

GCarter DMRCD276H788 454/Bravo- "Confirmed" FLORIDA

98 Shovel DMRCD280I788 460 BBF/King Cobra "Confirmed"

Not for sale in California DMRCD283I788 "Confirmed" CALIFORNIA

Jamie DMRCD286J788 454/Bravo

Ebay Ad from Osterville, Ma DMRCD289K788 Custom Hatch Souped Eng.

? Gus

? Mobile Alabama $28,000 TR from 3 to 5 years ago?

LKSD
03-17-2010, 12:54 PM
Wow, that must be the Ghetto edition!.. It has been pretty botched up IMO if it is a TR edition.. Only 1 picture, and a mismatch of stuff, wrong graphics, etc... The listing sounds a bit weird to me & has some mis-information in it.. Makes me wonder if it was just repainted all red.. It may or may not be a real TR.. Either way it looks like it needs to be toned down a bit with who knows what else to be done.. 1 picture when you are trying to sell something like that makes me think that it is either not as represented or a scam.. But thats just me.. J ;)

thehow33
03-17-2010, 11:14 PM
Wow, that must be the Ghetto edition!.. It has been pretty botched up IMO if it is a TR edition.. Only 1 picture, and a mismatch of stuff, wrong graphics, etc... The listing sounds a bit weird to me & has some mis-information in it.. Makes me wonder if it was just repainted all red.. It may or may not be a real TR.. Either way it looks like it needs to be toned down a bit with who knows what else to be done.. 1 picture when you are trying to sell something like that makes me think that it is either not as represented or a scam.. But thats just me.. J ;)

thats exactly what I was thinking and said in the For Sale section....I would bet its a scam although in todays economy some are to the point where some money is better than no money, but I'm still leaning towards a scam

donzi racer
03-18-2010, 02:24 PM
I see what you mean about the ad & the only one picture, but sometimes it is just the 1st time someone has ever put something on ebay. It can be confusing 1st time out. I agree that if you are really trying to sell one, it is best to have as many pics as possible. But if it were a scam, I would think the price would be more unbelieveably low instead of rather high compared to what these have been for sale at recently. I don't even think the owner has any idea that this may be a Testa Rossa or even what that means. Of course I was jumping to the conclusions that it was a TR because of the red color, the grey interior w/red piping, & the hull # was so close to some of the other TR's. I was just glad to maybe find another one of the TR's out there. If there are only 12, it is amazing that we have been able to find and know where 10 of them are. With a couple more possibilities. The Mobile TR, I cannot even remember the year of it, but just remember that is was for sale for a long time & was in Mobile Alabama many years ago, & seemed to be asking a lot of Money. I also find it amazing that of all the TR's I have seen or heard about, there is only 1 that is still original gel, motor, drive, interior, & dash. I don't own it but wish I did. ha ha Overall though it seems that if you were trying to scam, you would have a price level that would attract some attention, which this one did not look like it did. Just my 2c. Tom

LKSD
03-18-2010, 02:28 PM
Mine is currently all original from stem to stern.. But I am going to make some small mods..:boat:

VetteLT193
03-18-2010, 04:26 PM
Mine is currently all original from stem to stern.. But I am going to make some small mods..:boat:

Based on the pictures and description you may have the last truly original Testa.

donzi racer
03-24-2010, 10:08 PM
Mine is currently all original from stem to stern.. But I am going to make some small mods..:boat:


Sorry Jamie, I took it for granted that yours would not come thru, all original. Like George Carters, drop dead gorgeous, but not original. Seems like all the ones with the hood scoops, it is WAY hard to keep or find one all original in good shape. Something that sharp, most Donzi owners "NEED MORE POWER SCOTTIE". They are all cool though. Tom

Greg Guimond
03-24-2010, 10:20 PM
Donzilla?

thehow33
03-25-2010, 07:33 AM
I tried quoting DonziRacer but it keeps double quoting.

I'm more of a glass half empty kind of guy when it comes to buying almost anything on Ebay. So with that mindset that's how I look at Ebay ads. And this one is just popping with red flags. Although, you did mention a good point and it may be his first time, but the price is with a PWC too. so its not that cheap and he may just be a greedy scammer. He may have done this successfully multiple times. And a handful of people are only trying to scam you out of a deposit. The 2 biggest clues that I look for are poorly written descriptions and lack of pictures. One last thing that may not be a clue at all, but I think is odd. This guy bought a Florida tax lien certificate on ebay and he only has 8 transactions on ebay, at least on that username. I told you the glass is half empty when it comes to ebay.

donzi racer
04-09-2010, 07:18 PM
You bring up some good points How33 but I cannot get past the asking Price. It is not that it is extremely high with the Jet Ski included but pretty much the most expensive I have seen in a long time. If he is a scammer, I think he would be more a STUPID SCAMMER than a Greedy one. I just do not think you would get many offers, calls, deposits, or interest at that price range. I bet legit, but that is my oppinion. To sell it though, he would need many more pics and an adjustment on the price, downward. Lose the Jet Ski or put it on it's own auction. It would probably sell much easier than the Donzi anyway. Many more people looking for the Jets. Auctions are better in my oppinion as they will better find a real value of the item. If it is a scam, he burned himself with the Price. Tom

Sweet Cheekz
04-10-2010, 08:09 AM
Tom
I tried leaving you a message the other day on your phone and pm ing you here to no avail I have a really quick question if you get a chance to call me Thanks
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