outdrive type

[lordviper13]

I have just come in to posession of a 1967 donzi 16 footer and I am curious as to what model of outdrive this boat has on it. it is a volvo penta drive with the serial starting pz nr xxxxxx. I think that my clutch is gone in it and I need to find parts or some other way to fix it

[olredalert]

------If its the original it should be a 250, I think.........Bill S

[lordviper13]

ok thanks I have a local shope here in phx that can't seem to give me a hard price on a new clutch for it and I think they just wanna tear it apart to get the labor rate, they already tried to sell me on the idea of wet sanding and buffing it for 500.

[lordviper13]

here is a picture of the drive

[penbroke]

The first two x's in your serial number should be the drive model. 20=200 ,25=250, 27=270.


Frank

[lordviper13]

ok thanks the first 2 are 20 so I guess a 200

[penbroke]

In '67? Cool. I thought I was the only one left with a 200...


Frank

[lordviper13]

guess not, now I just have to get this 200 fixed

[penbroke]

I thought yours was a 200 due to the high placement of the water pickups.

Getting a 200 fixed by a retail boat repair shop may be a problem but don't be hasty. There is a lot of interchangability among the 200/250/270 drives and a lot of parts out there so a swap may be a better solution.

Before you spend any coin contact Big Grizzly here. He knows Volvos and maybe a little bit more... :wink:
I 'might' be able to scare up a 200 upper if it turns out that's what you really need.


Frank

[lordviper13]

well it seems like the clutch to me the coupler and u joint are fine and I checked that I am getting good shift cable movement. I just am being cautious because this shop wants to do a tear down and charge me labor before they will give me a estimate of the price.


on another note how hard is it to just rebuild this thing myself

[penbroke]

Try a different (any other) prop before you write any checks...


Frank

[lordviper13]

not to sure what a different prop will do the drive will not engage at all. when I put it in gear nothing happens

[mattyboy]

pull off the shift cover disconnect the cable and the shift linkage the bowtie shaped flange is the actual shift mechanism move it by hand and see if the drive engages if not go find a 250 B ratio on ebay and bolt her up


yes a 67 would be a 200 drive originally the 250 appeared in 68

[BigGrizzly]

One if you are fairly competent it is not difficult. Next why do you think the clutch is bad. The clutch needs fixing if at idle it does not go into gear unless you rev it slightly then pull it back quick, then it engages. If your cruising and it begins to slip that is not the clutch, that is USUALLY the prop. A new clutch is not always needed, mostly can be repaired. No this is all depending on IF the shifter and the ghe slider is in good shape. So what does this do to make you think it is the clutch? BTW our 16 has a 250 foot and gears on a 200 upper. This was done in 1968 due to a submerged telephone pole off the Point Pleasent cost of Jersey.

[lordviper13]

It does not go in to gear at all no matter what rpm and I pulled the cover and I am getting good shift cable movement. I will try disconnecting the cable and see if I can get it to go. really I am pretty new to outdrives

[gcarter]

There're manuals available for it.
Usually at a dealer, a large book store, Amazon, or eBay.
It will be of tremendous value to you.

[lordviper13]

yeah I found one by seloc for the penta outdrive. anyways I am just seeing if I should have it fixed or fix it myself. with my schedule it will take a while to fix in myself

[lordviper13]

ok guys I pulled the cover and disconnected the linkage, when I shift it manually I can feel a slight drag that is not there in neutral but it won't lock in to gear. looks like I need a new upper for this thing

[lordviper13]

ok well best price I found was like 1300 to go thru the whole drive and put in a new clutch and shim all the gears and reseal it.

[lordviper13]

I was suprised that they actually had a original volvo clutch in stock for a aq200

[penbroke]

Does that $1300 include all needed parts?

I would consider going to a 250 or 270 lower for the increased prop clearance and parts availability. The 200 uses a different gear set than the others...


Frank

[lordviper13]

the 1300 is for a new clutch and all the seals in the unit plus labor, if I can find a good used 270 witht he right ratio for this thing I am all for it

[lordviper13]

ok guys next question is do the 200 and 280 use the same transom mounting, I found a 280 at a local marine yard for 1200 that is in good shape

[Kirbyvv]

Frank (Penbroke) should pipe in here, but I think the reverse lock out is different enoungh that you might loose the ability to go into reverse, if you don't swap out the transom assembly too. Frank.......

[penbroke]

250 or 270 drive should work on the 200 transom shield. The tilt pin might bend a bit though because the inner support posts for it are not there.

200 drive on a 270 transom shield doesn't allow the reverse catch to engage because of the inner support posts for the tilt pin. You can drive around all day on forward but reverse is to be avoided. This is how my boat was set up untill a couple weeks ago when the drive started making bad noises...


Frank

[lordviper13]

The shop I found the drive at has a transomas well if the bolt holes line up

[mrfixxall]

It does not go in to gear at all no matter what rpm and I pulled the cover and I am getting good shift cable movement. I will try disconnecting the cable and see if I can get it to go. really I am pretty new to outdrives
seperate the upper from the lower and see if the coupler between them sheered or stripped the splines out of it...#49

[lordviper13]

seperate the upper from the lower and see if the coupler between them sheered or stripped the splines out of it...#49


the drive has been taken apart and it is the clutch cone the coupler is fine and so is the lower unit, the upper is on my bench right now