Speech...

[Tony]

I know he's not your favorite, but do you guys watch?

Not trying to stir anything up...just wonderin'.

:beer:

[Just Say N20]

Nope. Don't want to buy a new TV.:nilly:

[gold-n-rod]

Jesus, Tony, why get this sh!t started on a boat site? Whatever happened to talking about boats on a boat site????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I'm longing for the the "good ole' days" of "no religious or political postings."

[Marlin275]

Been workin all evening . . .
Was it any good?

This administration has to be more positive
and exude some confidence
to turn the public perceptions around!

[Tony]

Been workin all evening . . .
Was it any good?

Probly gonna depend on who you ask! :nilly:

I must say Jindel was, well, interesting. :lookaroun:

BTW, Randy, eat sh_t! :)

:beer:

[Donzi Vol]

BTW, Randy, eat sh_t! :)

:beer:

LMAO! Who would have thought that our token lefties during the election would be having words now?!

The speech was fine. But how confident am I that tomorrow or the next day will be any better than today? Well I don't know about that just yet.

As for any other thoughts...I'm biting my tongue. :)

[gold-n-rod]

BTW, Randy, eat sh_t!

You forgot the "and die!"

:wink::wink::wink:

[Ed Donnelly]

I watched. Hillary looked nice..Now because of Poodle all I see is Alfred E Newman..
He sure Talks the talk. Knows just what the public wants to hear.
Giving the blue collars all kinds of goodies, but, you can bet they will take it back even faster...Ed

[Cuda]

I just saw on first news O was talking about nationalizing some industries. That guy is just flat out scary.
Coincidence? I think not.

[Cuda]

Probly gonna depend on who you ask! :nilly:

I must say Jindel was, well, interesting. :lookaroun:

BTW, Randy, eat sh_t! :)

:beer:

I heard him say that teachers would be the best field hands, since they are so gullible.

[Cuda]

I watched. Hillary looked nice..Now because of Poodle all I see is Alfred E Newman..
He sure Talks the talk. Knows just what the public wants to hear.
Giving the blue collars all kinds of goodies, but, you can bet they will take it back even faster...Ed
Cult of personality.

[Cuda]

He is certainly one of the greatest orators of our time..
And I am pretty sure Pelosi's knees hurt today...


She even looks clueless every time I see her.

[Cuda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

[BUIZILLA]

He is certainly one of the greatest orators of our time..

And I am pretty sure Pelosi's knees hurt today... if you looked closely you would have seen the dangling puppet strings... :boggled:

[BUIZILLA]

Not trying to stir anything up...just wonderin'. while your still wanderin'.... I mean wonderin' :wink:

ya know, it took 72+ years to get the deficit's really high.... but Oby doubled it in 30 days.... you call that responsible leadership? then he says we can save 2 trillion dollars with his plan by 2020? how do you triple a debt, double spending, and then save even more money?? and he says he can cut the deficit in half by 2013? new wizard math? he's out in 2013, so two additional 4 year Presidency's inherit his reckless plan... wunnerful...

and then he has the audacity to say he wants to cut frivolous Govt spending? Pelosi went crazy clapping for that... but hey, maybe Pelosi should consider dropping her bi-weekly private Boeing 757 trips at taxpayer expense... or Oby flying the AF1 entourage circus 150 miles to a whistle stop? did you catch Pelosi clapping at the *earmark* comment?? Oby stared right at her when he said that... didn't her husband directly get millions from that *stimuli*?

of course, I could be wrong :bonk:

but I doubt it :cool:

[chappy]

I'm fearful that "Trickle down economics" has the potential to become "Trickle up poverty".

However,

I am glad to hear positive things about the economy recovering, look at the market's performance after Bernanke spoke about some recovery in '09 being possible yesterday. Consumer confidence could move mountains for some of the issues we face as a country.

Our President is a very good public speaker, no doubt.

[mattyboy]

I thought they were replaying the oscars, i don't watch those fakes either

eat $#it and bark at the moon then die


it really is going to be a long 4 years listening to


how is my guy doing now


Please enough

[The Hedgehog]

if you looked closely you would have seen the dangling puppet strings... :boggled:

And not to mention the "Cat that ate the canary" facial expression that lingered on and on. Her look resembled one my sister had when we were little and she got me in trouble with my parents. Kind of like "I told on you and now I will smirk while you get your ass spanked!"

[The Hedgehog]

Some people just really don't understand economics and should not even talk about that subject. They keep saying "and we are going to start lending again." Ok, so how are these people going to pay back loans if they don't have jobs. That's kind of putting the cart before the horse.

And the quasi SBA type lending facility that will also loan to the public? Those institutions already exist. They are called Community Development Banks. They are typically funded by other banks that need CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) credit. CRA is another racket started by the left. Commercial Banks will typically fund them and write it off. They get credit for that and it keeps the regulators off their back. I can tell you that if you compared the loan loss problems of many Development Banks to what is going on with our big banks, well the big banks would be needing TARP funds every 2 years (maybe less)on a continuous basis if they had number that looked like that.


I will say this time and again, if you can show that you have good credit and can pay back a loan then a community bank (and many big banks) will gladly lend you money now.

[gcarter]

In case you can't read it, does anyone care to know what my sig cartoon says?

[Lenny]

In case you can't read it, does anyone care to know what my sig cartoon says?


READ IT !!! I can barely see the cartoon .:rolleyes:

[Ghost]

I'm fearful that "Trickle down economics" has the potential to become "Trickle up poverty".

Agreed.


I am glad to hear positive things about the economy recovering, look at the market's performance after Bernanke spoke about some recovery in '09 being possible yesterday. Consumer confidence could move mountains for some of the issues we face as a country.

I'm a bit more worried about this aspect, and I think the Hedgehog's note gets to part of my concern already. Confidence provides a spark of activity that gets people doing what they did before, during years of false prosperity built on spending borrowed money that ultimately couldn't be repaid. I am concerned that a shot of consumer confidence now is just enough to get the troops up and charging out of the trench at our economic Gallipoli.

I've said it before different ways, but how about this? Encouraging people to go back to consuming is like heart-attack victim on his deathbed and sitting him up, sticking a fork in his hand and moving his arm back and forth to his mouth. Encouraging him to borrow is to do it is swapping the fork for a spoon and feeding him bacon grease.

He needs real treatment, not treatment of the symptoms. Short of building new roads and repairing those that don't get the job done currently, NOTHING I have heard of in any of these proposals can do anything but further harm after (maybe) a 0-18 month period of lessened pain as a quick flurry of cash disappears in the wind.

The patient needs real treatment, but people don't want to admit what that means because it will suck. It means:

Tearing down the massive, government-directed artificial arm of the economy.
Eliminating huge numbers of government and government-funded jobs.
A resulting big INCREASE in unemployment.
Helping those people survive while they slowly are drawn back into the real economy.
A big INCREASE in interest rates, that properly compensates those who lend their money for the risk they take. Otherwise, no one in his right mind will lend, and the government will TAKE your money and lend it to political friends, AS IT IS ALREADY DOING.
Kicking out all the illegals--we need those jobs.
Possible protections for business in the US and Canada, or restriction of some regulations to allow more competitiveness. We need to be able to [re]create real industries here that produce the goods and services that truly contribute to living standards.
Pulling most of the financial aid for college degrees that cost a fortune and have little real-world worth. The artificial college marketplace is a noteworthy chunk of the artificial economy, and it saddles huge numbers of kids with huge debts and worthless paper. People need to make personal, individual decisions about whether the paper is worth the price. For the average degree, no one would spend his own money, but they WILL spend their neighbors' money. End it. And college costs will drop, and many colleges will shrink or go away. (Community colleges that cheaply shore up unlearned high-school curricula will BOOM. They probably are seeing this start already.)
Dropping the nonsense college requirement for a lot of jobs, in favor of those who can best do the job. Right now, for many jobs, the degree requirement is truly just a mafia-like PROTECTION RACKET.
Etc.
The common theme: real markets where individuals decide how their money is spent, rewarding value and eliminating waste. Medically necessary bypass surgery HURTS, but it is better than force-feeding the patient bacon grease and blinking his eyes for him, to provide the illusion he is living and increasing the causes of the disease.

[chappy]

Agreed.



I'm a bit more worried about this aspect, and I think the Hedgehog's note gets to part of my concern already. Confidence provides a spark of activity that gets people doing what they did before, during years of false prosperity built on spending borrowed money that ultimately couldn't be repaid. I am concerned that a shot of consumer confidence now is just enough to get the troops up and charging out of the trench at our economic Gallipoli.

I've said it before different ways, but how about this? Encouraging people to go back to consuming is like heart-attack victim on his deathbed and sitting him up, sticking a fork in his hand and moving his arm back and forth to his mouth. Encouraging him to borrow is to do it is swapping the fork for a spoon and feeding him bacon grease.

He needs real treatment, not treatment of the symptoms. Short of building new roads and repairing those that don't get the job done currently, NOTHING I have heard of in any of these proposals can do anything but further harm after (maybe) a 0-18 month period of lessened pain as a quick flurry of cash disappears in the wind.





The patient needs real treatment, but people don't want to admit what that means because it will suck. It means:

Tearing down the massive, government-directed artificial arm of the economy.
Eliminating huge numbers of government and government-funded jobs.
A resulting big INCREASE in unemployment.
Helping those people survive while they slowly are drawn back into the real economy.
A big INCREASE in interest rates, that properly compensates those who lend their money for the risk they take. Otherwise, no one in his right mind will lend, and the government will TAKE your money and lend it to political friends, AS IT IS ALREADY DOING.
Kicking out all the illegals--we need those jobs.
Possible protections for business in the US and Canada, or restriction of some regulations to allow more competitiveness. We need to be able to [re]create real industries here that produce the goods and services that truly contribute to living standards.
Pulling most of the financial aid for college degrees that cost a fortune and have little real-world worth. The artificial college marketplace is a noteworthy chunk of the artificial economy, and it saddles huge numbers of kids with huge debts and worthless paper. People need to make personal, individual decisions about whether the paper is worth the price. And college costs will drop, and many colleges will shrink or go away.
Dropping the nonsense college requirement for a lot of jobs, in favor of those who can best do the job. Right now, for many jobs, the degree requirement is truly just a mafia-like PROTECTION RACKET.
Etc.
The common theme: real markets where individuals decide how their money is spent, rewarding value and eliminating waste. Medically necessary bypass surgery HURTS, but it is better than force-feeding the patient bacon grease and blinking his eyes for him, to provide the illusion he is living and increasing the causes of the disease.

I understand your position, and I agree. My point is that most are fearful about job losses, unemployment, and foreclosure. Our mindset must change if we are to go down the path you've outlined.

Consumer confidence, yes.

Consumer over-confidence and gluttony, no thanks.

Now how do we convey this to a nation of people that swallow what they're fed by the mainstream media like free wings at Hooters? I don't have that answer.

[Ghost]

INow how do we convey this to a nation of people that swallow what they're fed by the mainstream media like free wings at Hooters? I don't have that answer.

GREAT question! Honestly. I am 100% with you in thinking it is right on the nose.

I have long said that there would eventually be a real scrap between the socialists and those who believe in the founding principles of this country and the letter of our Constitution. I pray that more (admittedly annoying) talk amongst good people can lead to a vote revolt in 2010. If root causes are allowed to continue, I fear we'll eventually have a street fight on our hands.

Of late, the press and the economic left (I think I need to start splitting economic and social leftists), the true socialists, and some dimwitted Republicans, have all contributed to a newfound DOUBT about the free market.

The fallacy is the false assumption that the market which has exploded was actually a free market. The artificial economy (government taking and borrowing and wasting the wealth) is what blew it all up. And clever crooks on Wall Street took became strange bedfellows of the corrupt politicians, both of whom turned blind eyes to the unsecured insurance of credit default swaps. But the Wall Street crooks were only into that one recently, a truckload of dingleberry sprinkles on the $hit sundae government has built for half a century. The root cause, government misuse of funds and reckless borrowing, goes back DECADES earlier.

So, circling back to your great question, I think the answer is to get the truth out there--the truth about what really causes this, and about the nonsense that won't fix it but will make it worse. And to restore confidence in the letter of the Constitution, and in the free market it allows. The free market has gotten an unearned bad rap of late. Then go take it back in the voting booth in 2010. One thing that I think can help is getting the political right to drop being a social-issue bloc and focus on real economic issues, and court the social left to recognise that the economic left will ruin us all. Sounds messy and complicated, but in short it means getting the people focused truly on liberty and free markets AND to quit wasting time on distraction issues such as flag burning and gay marriage, and start fixing the blessed country.

The other trick is in making it clear that tearing down bad government is not doing nothing, it is a huge task, and it is the one we need. The nonsense "what would you do, nothing?" argument is utter crap, and smart people need to get the word out.

The good news may be that the malicious nonsense that Congress has created, in the Economic Ruin-US Bill, only spends the money so fast. If good people could take the House back in 2010, some of that bleeding can be stopped before it starts.

[chappy]

Here's a platform;

Vote tourniquet in 2010.

[Ghost]

Apologies for the late edits in my post above, but it was easier to insert a couple of things than to give the background again. -Mike

[BigGrizzly]

Does anybody really think O has control. I think he is playing Kiss a$$ with everybody. You know the guy who gives all the pats on to the back to his superiors, and nods whenever the higher ups say any thing, good or bad. With congress and the people. Again he is saying a lot but actually not doing anything, congress is..

[gcarter]

READ IT !!! I can barely see the cartoon .:rolleyes:

The pile of donkey poop is labeled "STIMULOUS",
And the caption reads "SHOVEL READY".

I like it and think it's very descriptive.

[Ghost]

Oh crap! I thought I'd posted all this stuff above in the "Great Contradiction" thread...where I really wanted it. Oh well.

[f_inscreenname]

2010 Hummm
Do you think things will change?
Stimulus will be at WOT but wont there will “still be work to done.”
Will we be “better off then we were 2 years ago?” How could we not even if it is artificial.
Will MSNBC and the rest of the bias media still be around. It sickens me to think so.
Will GW still be to blame for everything? How could he not, he is the reason we are all dead and ones that survived are devoted Muslims. The guy wasn’t perfect but please.
Will voters act like sheep? I hope I’m proven wrong but IMHO if Brad Pitt was to run I’m thinking Angie would be first chick.

[Ghost]

2010 Hummm
Do you think things will change?
Stimulus will be at WOT but wont there will “still be work to done.”
Will we be “better off then we were 2 years ago?” How could we not even if it is artificial.
Will MSNBC and the rest of the bias media still be around. It sickens me to think so.
Will GW still be to blame for everything? How could he not, he is the reason we are all dead and ones that survived are devoted Muslims. The guy wasn’t perfect but please.
Will voters act like sheep? I hope I’m proven wrong but IMHO if Brad Pitt was to run I’m thinking Angie would be first chick.

My crystal ball says it will be substantially worse than now (I doubt the stimulus bill will be able to change that for more than a few months. The downward spiral we already see will continue, and a few pork-fed mushrooms springing up won't change the big picture.)

But I would agree that if it the huge pile of borrowed cash does create a brief couple months of increased comfort, the sheep will temporarily think that Obama has done something great, and it will take further time for the truth to push through on the the disastrous stimulus that Congress and Obama created. That could screw up proper comeuppance in the 2010 elections. By 2012, all the borrowed money will probably be spent, and a lot more harm will have been done.

[BUIZILLA]

my accountant made an interesting comment today...

don't you do your budget before you give away free money?

apparently today's 2010 budget release was a week after the free giveaways.. :bonk: