None are so blind as those that will not see

[dfunde01]

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Nobody's listening.

[MOP]

Someone needs to throw a wrench in the $$ printing press, they say the devaluation rate is startling. The dollar is predicted to be 10 cents on the dollar within 18 months, 75% of us do not make enough to be able to pay or bills and feed our selves once it fully sets in. Tis not "Change Great"!!!!!!!

[HOWARD O]

Yeah well, I fear for my kids and their kids.....somebody needs to put the binders on this crap real soon. I feel that if it continues, it'll be irreversible. Hope I'm wrong. :frown:

[Tony]

Not that I'm defending, or in favor of, what is currently happening...but where was all this outrage when the last administration doubled the size of government and went from a national debt of 5.7 to over 12 trillion dollars?
Not to mention what happened during the Bush1/Reagan years...

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


:beer:

[Ghost]

Not that I'm defending, or in favor of, what is currently happening...but where was all the outrage when the last administration doubled the size of government and went from a national debt of 5.7 to over 12 trillion dollars?
Not to mention what happened during the Bush1/Reagan years...

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


:beer:

Tony,

I hear you and I agree. I was outraged. I remain outraged. And I believe firmly that good people need to quit letting parties divide them to the detriment of us all. WE ALL need to put our relatively petty disagreements aside, stand up and say no to the ones who are sticking it to us because we are the easiest victims.

No matter how much you and I may have locked horns on one issue or another, I say nothing is more important than our willingness to acknowledge truth. Anyone with favor for either of the two major parties, if he is honest, will see the real truth indict the party of his favor right along with the other.

WE, THE PEOPLE, are the victims. Guilty only of letting ourselves be.

Best wishes, really, always,

Mike

[Cuda]

Not that I'm defending, or in favor of, what is currently happening...but where was all this outrage when the last administration doubled the size of government and went from a national debt of 5.7 to over 12 trillion dollars?
Not to mention what happened during the Bush1/Reagan years...

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


:beer:

It's much easier to fix the blame, than fix the problem. The last election was based on fixing the blame.

[HOWARD O]

Yep, Bush spent like a democrat. So now the people voted for a socialist.......at least NOW we have the real thing! :lookaroun:

[HOWARD O]

Not that I'm defending, or in favor of, what is currently happening...but where was all this outrage when the last administration doubled the size of government and went from a national debt of 5.7 to over 12 trillion dollars?
Not to mention what happened during the Bush1/Reagan years...
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
:beer:
Where was YOUR outrage when the Soviet Union was building up? What was going to happen if Reagan didn't spend like crazy to achieve the final blow? Where would we be now if he didn't? What if?
Where was YOUR outrage when Saddam Hussein attacked a little country called Kuwait?
Where was YOUR outrage after the 9/11 attacks? Fact is of that 12 trillion dollars you so smugly cite with your underlined "and", 5 trillion of that was spent on the war on terror (and still counting). Last time I looked, we haven't been attacked again. Subtract that 5 trillion from your 12 trillion, guess what that leaves you? Roughly the same as when he took office. The simple graph that you linked to is just that, simple.
Too bad Clinton didn't spend a little more on our security, perhaps we wouldn't have seen the likes of 9/11. Same can be said for Carter for that matter.
I'm sorry, but differences between liberal/socialists and conservatives are hardly "petty".

[MOP]

If Clinton had taken Osama Binladen on the TWO occasions that he was offered the entire world would be better. But no the powers to be figured we can keep this guy in check and make a few bucks on WAR, after all what stimulates an economy better then WAR.

Also they are trying to kill the Clinton/Bin Laden thing saying it never happened, believe that an you are very ill informed!

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml?s=ic

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

DON NOT LET THE MEDIA TELL YOU DIFFERENT!

[gcarter]

If you look at the corresponding conditions that go along w/that chart, there's a little more perspective.
In the period leading up to WW-II, we were in depression and spending was extraordinarily high. During WW-II, it went up even more because of the war effort. During the period after the war, the economy really took off for the first time since about '30. It enjoyed phenominal growth, so spending as a percentage would go down no matter who was in Congress or in office.
During the Reagan years and the tax cuts, tax revenues doubled but the Democratic Congress more than doubled spending.
During the Clinton terms and the Gigngrich Revolution, spending went down, and not because Clinton wanted it that way or could do anything about it.

there's no excuse for the last eight years except for 9-11 (remember that?), and the Iraq War. I might add, I think the war has been very successful considerinng the outcome of the elections last week. Now, if BO wants to pull the troops out tomorrow, there's always the chance that defeat can always be snatched out of the mouth of success.
It's always better to win a war, unless you're a Liberal Pacifist.

[Cuda]

Where was YOUR outrage when the Soviet Union was building up? What was going to happen if Reagan didn't spend like crazy to achieve the final blow? Where would we be now if he didn't? What if?
Where was YOUR outrage when Saddam Hussein attacked a little country called Kuwait?
Where was YOUR outrage after the 9/11 attacks? Fact is of that 12 trillion dollars you so smugly cite with your underlined "and", 5 trillion of that was spent on the war on terror (and still counting). Last time I looked, we haven't been attacked again. Subtract that 5 trillion from your 12 trillion, guess what that leaves you? Roughly the same as when he took office. The simple graph that you linked to is just that, simple.
Too bad Clinton didn't spend a little more on our security, perhaps we wouldn't have seen the likes of 9/11. Same can be said for Carter for that matter.
I'm sorry, but differences between liberal/socialists and conservatives are hardly "petty".

I think the Russian threat is more serious to the US than even the terrorist threat. There isn't a terrorist organazation that can rule the entire planet. The Russians figure while the US is spread thin, they will take liberties with thumbing their nose at the rest of the world. Have no doubt, the Russians final aim is world domination. With the administrations current trend of appeasement (Gitmo, etc), the Ruskies WILL continue to grow strength. Regan just flat out spent them into submission. Regan knew that SDI was unworkable, but the paranoia of the Russian mine set caused them to spend themselves into disolution. Was it expensive? Sure it was, but consider the cost in lives of the alternative. We will have to fight them, or capitulate in the not so distant future. Mark my words.
The only thing that a bully understands, is a badder bully.

[Cuda]

It's always better to win a war, unless you're a Liberal Pacifist.

GW1 is the only sitting president ever to win a war, and lose an election. He should have gone in and finished off Hussein then. Bowing to the public pressure of politcal correctness begat us the second gulf war. Those are the facts, and they are indisputable.

[Cuda]

Btw, I quoted the exact title to this thread to my older sister, who voted for O. She wanted to argue the facts, and when presented the facts, she prefered to burying her head in the sand. She still isn't speaking to me. That's a pretty intelligent rebuttle from a high school valdedictorian. It makes me wonder just how intelligent her graduating class really was.