a day of change

[mattyboy]

actually a day of spare no expense, today is gonna cost us 3 times as much as when Bush was sworn in. and the press is covering this like it was the oscars or something ?? what happened to gov't by the people for the people, not Gov't paid for by the people.
leaders lead seems all we have are followers and we have not had a real leader in a long time.
todays is historic in more way then one

[Tony]

leaders lead seems all we have are followers and we have not had a real leader in a long time.

I agree. Hopefully that will change! :wink:


:beer:

[Speed Racer]

.. Actually, taxpayers do not pay for the inaguration...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090118173737AAQpTPr

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/16/news/economy/inauguration_costs/

[Ghost]

.. Actually, taxpayers do not pay for the inaguration...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090118173737AAQpTPr

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/16/news/economy/inauguration_costs/

I'm confused. According to the very sources cited above, taxpayers do pay about two-thirds of the overall estimated cost. About 45 million of 150 million estimated total came from private donations, and the balance is paid from our tax dollars. BTW, right or wrong, this is consistent with other sources I have heard before today.

What am I missing? Are we splittting a hair between a piece of the inauguration, like, the ceremony itself, but skipping all of the other infrastructure costs? There must be a disconnect here somewhere.

[zelatore]

Is it just me, or do you get a sense that 'Cult of Personality' should be playing in the background whenever BO walks into a room?

I get it - like the guy or not, this is a significant moment in our history. The first time we've ever elected anybody but a white male to lead the country. But shouldn't this be a somewhat more somber occasion than the party it's become? I'm not trying to take anything away from the man himself, but I wish he wasn't being treated like a pop star. Then again, I suppose it's better for little Suzy to swoon over a President than some American Idol idiot.

[Ghost]

Is it just me, or do you get a sense that 'Cult of Personality' should be playing in the background whenever BO walks into a room?

I get it - like the guy or not, this is a significant moment in our history. The first time we've ever elected anybody but a white male to lead the country. But shouldn't this be a somewhat more somber occasion than the party it's become? I'm not trying to take anything away from the man himself, but I wish he wasn't being treated like a pop star. Then again, I suppose it's better for little Suzy to swoon over a President than some American Idol idiot.

Well, aren't you just a regular ray of sunshine? :wink:

I think you're on the mark (though I do wonder if it isn't better for Suzy to swoon over something that is honestly and openly shallow).

As much as I detest the politics for which Obama stands, as much as I think the best he can possibly do is to run a tighter ship further in the wrong direction, and as much as I believe he is a liar and a socialist...for me there is still some solace to be taken in the progress in people's hearts and minds when the color of a man's skin loses some of its relevance, and his lying, scheming, and political maneuvering serves to advance his own career and cheat the people just as can any lying white jerk politician.

On Saturday night, I made my ususal stop by my local liquor store on my way to play cards with the boys. It's a small mom and pop store, run by an older black couple. I don't know them more than the relationship I describe, but as business proprietors go they have always struck me as very sweet, friendly, good people who run a business I like to frequent. Though I've probably been in there 50-100 times, I don't know them well, but I like what I know.

So, perhaps I am reading too much into this, but on Sat night, the usual football or basketball game on their TV was replaced by wall-to-wall CNN fawning over Obama, and they were beaming as I have never seen them before--something had them in a state like I have never seen. As much as I think Obama is a horrible mistake for us all, them included, it greatly warmed my heart to see them so happy. At their ages, they have been adults in times where equality of opportunity was nonexistent, and race decided an entire group of second-class citizens. Good chance they went to segregated schools in the same buildings right here in town that I attended after desegregation. The change in attitudes from that time, and the proof of that which the Obama Presidency demonstrates, is truly a silver lining to me. For that progress in attitudes, I am truly thankful.

That is how I will try always to think about today.

[gcarter]

I have decided I'm not going to say or even think anything negative even though I believe it's the wrong person.......Of course I wasn't happy with any of the candidates.
The occasion obviously means a lot to many people so I say "Enjoy the day and the honeymoon".
There's going to be some tough times ahead, and I'm not sure the new president and congress has what it takes to get it done.

[CJmike]

I have decided I'm not going to say or even think anything negative even though I believe it's the wrong person.......Of course I wasn't happy with any of the candidates.
The occasion obviously means a lot to many people so I say "Enjopy the day and the honeymoon".
There's going to be some tough times ahead, and I'm not sure the new president and congress has what it takes to get it done.

Harumph

[BUIZILLA]

Well, he's off to a good start.

Late to the ceremony, couldn't remember the oath of office.. be nice, he's still looking for all 58 states... :nilly:

[Air 22]

be nice, he's still looking for all 58 states... :nilly:

LMAO:kingme:

[DonziJon]

Well, he's off to a good start.
Late to the ceremony, couldn't remember the oath of office..

The Chief Jusice made him do it. :bonk: John

[zelatore]

Don't care if allah came up from hell and confused him, IMO if you are taking over the most powerful office in the world you might want to take a break from your basketball games and concerts on the green to actually memorize what you are supposed to say, instead of frantically searching for the teleprompter :) :)

Well, at least he used WORDS. You know, instead of inventivating something.

[mattyboy]

well he had a chance to be a leader and may be trim say 100 million off of today's price tag 170 million dollars

I am not impressed


with him or his supporters

[DonziChris]

Amen, I think were in real trouble.

[Lenny]

Negated by the fact he was late and left our country without a President for 6 minutes..

What? ,, and the last 8 years didn't bother you ???

:D

[zelatore]

... he was late and left our country without a President for 6 minutes..


Not true as I understand it; at noon eastern power transfers to the president elect whether he's been sworn in or not.

Somebody can fact check that if needed...I'm just repeating something I heard earlier.

[f_inscreenname]

That mother f^$%#!& Obama!!!!!!!!!:nilly:




Ooops, sorry.............. just getting ready. :biggrin.:

[DonziJon]

Not true as I understand it; at noon eastern power transfers to the president elect whether he's been sworn in or not.
Somebody can fact check that if needed...I'm just repeating something I heard earlier.

Noon: This is TRUE.

Actually....I think BO memorized the oath to the letter and was reciting the WHOLE Thing .....and forgot the Chief Justice was following protocol by taking it one step at a time.........:lookaroun: John

[mattyboy]

today seemed to be more about doom and gloom and looking back to bash Bush then to look toward the future and the "change". so pardon me it is just my negative nature :tongue: but i am positive my taxes will be going up big time

but the fashion was top notch :nilly:

[Lenny]

but the fashion was top notch :nilly:

He sure can dress :yes:

:D

[BUIZILLA]

What? ,, and the last 8 years didn't bother you ???

:D not as much as the first 6 minutes today.. :popcorn:

[Donziweasel]

not as much as the first 6 minutes today..

That is by far the funniest thing I have heard today. LMAO!!!!!:):):)

[MOP]

Being a switch hitter and still being a little torn I was not going to comment, early on I was a staunch Obama supporter, he seemed brilliant and spoke of many things I believed in. And like many I felt it was about time that a black man got into office. I made the largest political donation I have ever made to his election fund. But when so much stuff came out and I felt at least some had to be true. Not that happy I switched to what I felt was a better choice and azz kicking gal and really a true patriot. With Obama think about the dollars from Fanny May, many millions in donations from foreign interests which is 100% illegal, pretty much proven voter fraud, involvements with some more then questionable characters and the list goes on. I have since had several conversations with various officials and politicians and asked why non of this seemed to matter to the legal minds of our country, seven out of ten said the streets would run red with the anarchy that would prevail. They felt once he started to get rolling the die was cast and all we can do is hope he does not swing left, if he does swing left they predict disaster for our nation! Frankly that scares the heck out of me, no telling where that would go but I bet it would not be anything we want to see. I have several black friends/associates many are very well educated and they also worry what may transpire if he handles it wrong. This day in history may be one of the greatest or end up being one of the worst. That being said I will stand behind him praise and support all he does that is good! He has the opportunity to be on the cover of history books. We can only hope and pray that is plays out for the good of the people! God Bless Mr. Obama and God Bless us all!

[Donzi Vol]

Is it just me, or do you get a sense that 'Cult of Personality' should be playing in the background whenever BO walks into a room?

I get it - like the guy or not, this is a significant moment in our history. The first time we've ever elected anybody but a white male to lead the country. But shouldn't this be a somewhat more somber occasion than the party it's become? I'm not trying to take anything away from the man himself, but I wish he wasn't being treated like a pop star. Then again, I suppose it's better for little Suzy to swoon over a President than some American Idol idiot.

Couldn't haven't said it better myself, Don. That's been the problem for months. Personally, I didn't get the opportunity to watch the inauguration or listen to his speech, but I'm sure I'll find the time to stream it online. My problem is that I'm steering away from all major news sources right now because I become so freakin' depressed when I hear the doom and gloom that I don't even want to get out of bed and go to work. Optimism, anyone?

[mattyboy]

well he has a great jump shot and washboard abs ???? ;)


the pregame said it was going to be a great speech, from what i heard it was just like any time a politician takes the podium they all sound like the adults in the peanuts wah wah wah yadda yadda yadda

[mike o]

Well, in 1969 when I was 17yrs old and missed getting drafted by a few #'s and all most sent to vietnam... before I could vote for the president that was sending me... and willing to serve. I supported the president then and now, even thought I didnt vote for him. At least we are FREE to post what we want, Thats whats it all about to Me. Regards All.

[RedDog]

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/goodluck.jpg

[Last Real Texan]

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/goodluck.jpg
nice...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
But I thought the political posting was over....
Tex

[Tony]

Well, he's off to a good start.

Late to the ceremony, couldn't remember the oath of office..


Hate to tell you guys this, but it was John Roberts that screwed up.

:beer:

[Cuda]

Well, at least he used WORDS. You know, instead of inventivating something.
As far as I can tell, that's all he knows. Let's pray for the best, yet prepare for the worse.

[Cuda]

Is it just me, or do you get a sense that 'Cult of Personality' should be playing in the background whenever BO walks into a room?
I get it - like the guy or not, this is a significant moment in our history. The first time we've ever elected anybody but a white male to lead the country. But shouldn't this be a somewhat more somber occasion than the party it's become? I'm not trying to take anything away from the man himself, but I wish he wasn't being treated like a pop star. Then again, I suppose it's better for little Suzy to swoon over a President than some American Idol idiot.


That's exactly what I think. Cult of Personality.

Just for general info, it's Malcom X talking at the first of this video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

[BUIZILLA]

Hate to tell you guys this, but it was John Roberts that screwed up.
:beer:

please do tell ?

[Cuda]

Is it just me, or do you get a sense that 'Cult of Personality' should be playing in the background whenever BO walks into a room?
I get it - like the guy or not, this is a significant moment in our history. The first time we've ever elected anybody but a white male to lead the country. But shouldn't this be a somewhat more somber occasion than the party it's become? I'm not trying to take anything away from the man himself, but I wish he wasn't being treated like a pop star. Then again, I suppose it's better for little Suzy to swoon over a President than some American Idol idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
Ive been everything you want to be
Im the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
Im the smiling face on your t.v.
Im the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
Im the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your gods name
Im every person you need to be
Im the cult of personality
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
Ive been everything you want to be
Im the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
Im the smiling face on your t.v.
Im the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
Im the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
Im the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You dont have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your gods name
Im every person you need to be
Im the cult of personality

[Cuda]

be nice, he's still looking for all 58 states... :nilly:
And this is the best guy they could find to lead this great nation?

An idealist is one who, on noticing that roses smell better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
H. L. Mencken

[Cuda]

today seemed to be more about doom and gloom and looking back to bash Bush then to look toward the future and the "change". so pardon me it is just my negative nature :tongue: but i am positive my taxes will be going up big time
but the fashion was top notch :nilly:


What does he plan on doing now, instead of telling us how bad things have been?

It's easy to fix the blame, how about he fix the problem?:mad:

[Cuda]

not as much as the first 6 minutes today.. :popcorn:


Agreed. I even shut off the halftime show of the NFL so I didn't have to watch all the musicians, actors, and democrats dance around like he just cured cancer. The man is an unfunny joke.

[Cuda]

Well, in 1969 when I was 17yrs old and missed getting drafted by a few #'s and all most sent to vietnam... before I could vote for the president that was sending me... and willing to serve. I supported the president then and now, even thought I didnt vote for him. At least we are FREE to post what we want, Thats whats it all about to Me. Regards All.


Like Ben Franklin said, a government strong enough to provide you with everthing you need, is strong enough to take away anything you have.

[zelatore]

I think my comment about 'cult of personality' may have gotten a bit off track. Understandable when you read the full song lyrics, and given the general opinion of the board.

I wasn't trying to bad mouth Obama; only commenting that too many people seem to be treating the inauguration like some sort of celebrity sighting. I felt the moment deserved a bit more gravity.

But, I can't disagree that a lot of people seem to be overwhelmed with the 'idea' of Obama more than anything else.

No need for fellow registry members to chime in on that last line...

[mattyboy]

Roberts did transpose the word "faithfully", bo hesitated, then repeated it verbatim rather then go with his first instinct, and say it the right way. Hey, he's used to teleprompters, why should he try and think for himself?


well at least he didn't say "I state your name" ;)

I just can't take anymore pregame hype with the new prez and 11 days til the superbowl

I wish him the best and hope our country can get back on track

[Ghost]

For the record, I think the glitch in reciting the oath was Roberts's fault. Thought that as I listened, and on reflection after.

Doesn't change my thoughts about Obama an iota, but that one was on Roberts. I'd bet he'd say it was entirely his fault.

Far more important is whether Obama will uphold the Constitution, as he has sworn to do, but prior behavior is the best predictor, and why would he start now?

[Cuda]

I think my comment about 'cult of personality' may have gotten a bit off track. Understandable when you read the full song lyrics, and given the general opinion of the board.
I wasn't trying to bad mouth Obama; only commenting that too many people seem to be treating the inauguration like some sort of celebrity sighting. I felt the moment deserved a bit more gravity.
But, I can't disagree that a lot of people seem to be overwhelmed with the 'idea' of Obama more than anything else.
No need for fellow registry members to chime in on that last line...

I wasn't trying to bad mouth him either, this is what I truly have thought about him for months. God help us have an original thought of our own. Let's let the Big "O" do our thinking for us. I thought the big O meant Oscar Robertson. He had a better jump shot, so let's make him the leader.

[Cuda]

For the record, I think the glitch in reciting the oath was Roberts's fault. Thought that as I listened, and on reflection after.

Doesn't change my thoughts about Obama an iota, but that one was on Roberts. I'd bet he'd say it was entirely his fault.

Far more important is whether Obama will uphold the Constitution, as he has sworn to do, but prior behavior is the best predictor, and why would he start now?

As I said to a guy this morning who has worked with me for years, "Past performance predicts future behavior".

[Ghost]

I think my comment about 'cult of personality' may have gotten a bit off track. Understandable when you read the full song lyrics, and given the general opinion of the board.

I wasn't trying to bad mouth Obama; only commenting that too many people seem to be treating the inauguration like some sort of celebrity sighting. I felt the moment deserved a bit more gravity.

I agree, and think there is a very interesting twist here worth noting: a classic case of everybody getting it wrong. In short, I see Obama as another politician, aside from the obvious difference, not so unlike many before him.

What is historic and commendable are the many decades of the improvement in attitudes of the people of this nation, not Obama. And yet, the Cult of Personality worship shows even that being misunderstood. Obama is not the big deal. The change in society that allows the election of Obama is the big deal. The greatness is in the people, not the man.

[dfunde01]

nice...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
But I thought the political posting was over....
Tex

Which raises the question of the earlier discussions to retain a politics only forum and a poll to vote ya or nay. I entered my vote along with a cash contribution. I don't recall ever seeing an official decision.

The discussions on this site were civil and thought provoking. They were a help in exploring a number of issues in more depth than one can normally achieve brain storming with ones self.

It could be limited to paying members only or protected by pass word to insure that those who might be offended can't stumble in in error.

Thanks,

Dave

[Ghost]

Let's let the Big "O" do our thinking for us. I thought the big O meant Oscar Robertson. He had a better jump shot, so let's make him the leader.

I still laugh thinking about the SNL fake "man on the street" interview piece where they go around asking people about the "Big O". Of course, they get lots of giggly sexual responses as expected, but when they get to Bill Murray, in classic Murray style, he just rapid-mumbles "Best point guard who ever played the game."

[Cuda]

Which raises the question of the earlier discussions to retain a politics only forum and a poll to vote ya or nay. I entered my vote along with a cash contribution. I don't recall ever seeing an official decision.

The discussions on this site were civil and thought provoking. They were a help in exploring a number of issues in more depth than one can normally achieve brain storming with ones self.

It could be limited to paying members only or protected by pass word to insure that those who might be offended can't stumble in in error.

Thanks,

Dave
Instead of making a separate forum, why don't we just give people the right to not read anything that may offend them?

[Cuda]

I still laugh thinking about the SNL fake "man on the street" interview piece where they go around asking people about the "Big O". Of course, they get lots of giggly sexual responses as expected, but when they get to Bill Murray, in classic Murray style, he just rapid-mumbles "Best point guard who ever played the game."

I thought of alluding to the Big O in just that very fashion. :)

[hardcrab]

why don't we just give people the right to not read anything that may offend them?

That's what I said about the "Donzi Girls" section !

[Cuda]

That's what I said about the "Donzi Girls" section !
Bingo!

And the one who b!tched enough to have it removed, hasn't posted in years, but at least she left behind her legacy. :(

[Donziweasel]

I heard the story about the Donzi girl thing. It needs to be brought back.

1. Every performance boat forum has something like that.

2. Boating in general is aligned with women in bathing suits.

3. Boo Boo looks pretty damn good in a bikini.

Now, bring back the Donzi girls dammit.:wink:

[BUIZILLA]

HH for Mod in Donzi Girls !!

[Lenny]

Bingo!

And the one who b!tched enough to have it removed, hasn't posted in years, but at least she left behind her legacy. :(

Nor has her Mate...

So, Roberts gets the blame...http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/21/obama.oath/index.html

[dfunde01]

Perhaps a "Current Affairs" section would be more accurate and applicable.