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glashole
11-06-2008, 10:49 AM
are you glad it was put up for our discussions during the election?

DonziJon
11-06-2008, 10:51 AM
YUP: In Rhode Island there are no Fellow Conservatives to talk to. :bonk:

RedDog
11-06-2008, 11:34 AM
it kept me pissed off and my blood pressure high.

I guess I didn't have to click on it but I couldn't help myself.

Time to kill it off

Ghost
11-06-2008, 11:47 AM
Anyone who doesn't know where I stand on healthy civil discussion must have had the good sense to skip past my enormous posts. :)

mjw930
11-06-2008, 11:58 AM
NO, a political section has no place on a boating forum. There are literally thousands of political based sites where you can take that discussion to.

Discussion of politics invariably leads to division and people getting their feeling hurt. Regardless what people may type, those scars rarely ever heal.

Lenny
11-06-2008, 12:12 PM
NO, a political section has no place on a boating forum. ... those scares rarely ever heal.

agreed :yes:

harbormaster
11-06-2008, 01:09 PM
I put it up with the intentions of taking it down after the "Election". Is everyone ready to see it go until 2012?

txtaz
11-06-2008, 01:19 PM
I put it up with the intentions of taking it down after the "Election". Is everyone ready to see it go until 2012?

Yep. Let's get back to partying and boating. HM are you going to make it to Wayne's party?

Da Taz

Ghost
11-06-2008, 01:37 PM
I am ready. It's been fun and interesting, and I will miss it, but it does not need to be the everyday fare here.

"Whatever you want to talk about" allows for a certain amount of random discussion. For two reasons, I think it would be smart for the site owners to decide and re-state the ground rules for that section (more than just leaving up the sticky note that says "no politics or religious stuff").


There is a lot of momentum in the political discussion, and people have gotten habituated to sharing that here.
With the economy going into the toilet, people will probably talk about that a lot, very naturally, and politics will be hard to avoid in such discussions.

DonziJon
11-06-2008, 01:44 PM
The POLITICS FORUM IS NOW CLOSED :bonk: TOTALLY

BUIZILLA
11-06-2008, 01:45 PM
-- poof -- :yes:

Just Say N20
11-06-2008, 01:53 PM
You will have to wonder what I was working on, and tried to POST, and got the "This Forum is no longer accepting posts" message.

Too bad. I like a good stimulating discussion. There were some interesting thoughts shared.

I guess I could be a good ACLU liberal and take the same argument as they do about pornography, and start whining about HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T GO THERE, or I MIGHT NOT CHOOSE IT FOR ME, BUT IF IT ISN'T HURTING SOMEONE, IT CERTAINLY ISN'T MY RIGHT TO IMPOSE MY WILL ON SOMEONE ELSE.

The main purpose of the board is Donzi Boats, and there is still a lot of that going on, however for many of us, the boating season is over, so there isn't as much to talk about it. For the most part I thought people handled it well.

Except maybe me.

mike o
11-06-2008, 02:00 PM
Anyone who doesn't know where I stand on healthy civil discussion must have had the good sense to skip past my enormous posts. :):wink::wink: I enjoyed all your civics classes, felt like I was back in college reading ya posts.:wink::wink: Your more of a professor... than a ghost.:wink:. I would enjoy a section for the economy.

Ghost
11-06-2008, 02:11 PM
You will have to wonder what I was working on, and tried to POST, and got the "This Forum is no longer accepting posts" message.


Doh! And it was the best post EVAH! :)

txtaz
11-06-2008, 02:33 PM
I would enjoy a section for the economy.

I think that is a great idea since people are (or will be) in a financial bind.

Da Taz

glashole
11-06-2008, 02:51 PM
i think that is a great idea since people are (or will be) in a financial bind.

Da taz

won't that be in the boats for sale section?

DonziJon
11-06-2008, 02:55 PM
I MISS the OLD Political Forum. :lookaroun: :lookaroun: John

Tony
11-06-2008, 03:04 PM
I MISS the OLD Political Forum. :lookaroun: :lookaroun: John

DJ...hooray...we agree on something! :wink: :beer:


:beer:

Ghost
11-06-2008, 04:27 PM
I MISS the OLD Political Forum. :lookaroun: :lookaroun: John


DJ...hooray...we agree on something! :wink:
:beer:


Well, I was working on my thoughts, but I guess I can delete the word doc I was laying out my commentary...

Or, attach it to a post :) :D


Maybe someone will create a completely separate web site just for political debate, but with a boating twist. In the spirit of "Jane, you ignorant slut," it could be:

http://"F###youAndTheBoatYouRodeInOn.net" :)

Donzi Vol
11-06-2008, 04:34 PM
Personally I loved the political section. Yes, it did get us riled up sometimes...maybe a little too much. But it kept things interesting, that's for sure. And from the posts last night, it seems like everybody has pretty much got back to an even keel.

What about a "current events" section? That would encompass much more than politics, but we can still express our thoughts about what's going on with the economy, etc.

Marlin275
11-06-2008, 04:53 PM
It got crazy there !
every time I hit "New Posts"
I would see
9 political posts and
4-5 boating
:lookaroun:

gcarter
11-06-2008, 05:35 PM
I miss it.
And I agree w/others that there are political ramifications to boating issues.
What do we do? I don't want to get my hand slapped (or my avatar for that matter). So the next time Speaker Pelosi hays that only work boats can buy fuel, where do I complain?

DonziJon
11-06-2008, 06:51 PM
There ARE other sites out there where Political is the conversation. Thousands of strangers. BUT: Here, everyone KNOWS everyone. Because you know the person...how they think..if you will ..(at least you Think you know how they think).:lookaroun: Makes it interesting.

Here: It's like having a friend over for a drink and talking politics. :bighug: John

hot shot
11-06-2008, 06:54 PM
Doug I couldn't have said it better Thanks Mick

DonziJon
11-06-2008, 07:11 PM
You will have to wonder what I was working on, and tried to POST, and got the "This Forum is no longer accepting posts" message.
Too bad. I like a good stimulating discussion. There were some interesting thoughts shared.
I guess I could be a good ACLU liberal and take the same argument as they do about pornography, and start whining about HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T GO THERE, or I MIGHT NOT CHOOSE IT FOR ME, BUT IF IT ISN'T HURTING SOMEONE, IT CERTAINLY ISN'T MY RIGHT TO IMPOSE MY WILL ON SOMEONE ELSE.
The main purpose of the board is Donzi Boats, and there is still a lot of that going on, however for many of us, the boating season is over, so there isn't as much to talk about it. For the most part I thought people handled it well.
Except maybe me.

I had a long post ready to send this afternoon.. responding to a query by Ghost. Sometimes when I want to be certain that everthing is correct...I actually compose my post on my email page so I have Spell Check. This also saves my stuff in case I have a CTD while I'm writing. Not uncommon. Then I copy and paste back. When I went back to actually post my response this afternoon..I saw the missing buttons. Politics Kapoot. John

FISHIN SUCKS
11-06-2008, 07:46 PM
being in the middle of the road is bad because eventually you will get run over:eek:!

This political section was sometimes bad because you learned a side to people that you once liked, but if they didn't agree with you politically, you dropped them down a few notches in your perspective:frown:.

That being said, this political section was good because now you know who's beer to steal at the next event:)

BUIZILLA
11-06-2008, 08:41 PM
not that I care about politics or anything... :nilly:

does ANYBODY know what stance or position(s) Oby has on boating? or rec vehicles? offroading? camping?? you know, things some of us like to do after we get tax raped mon-fri ??

:shark: :popcorn:

BUIZILLA
11-06-2008, 09:13 PM
I'll tie a rope to the hitch.... the freeloaders can hang on... if they are still there when we arrive, i'll buy 'em dinner...:lookaroun: maybe... :crossfing:

Tony
11-06-2008, 09:42 PM
Based on some of these posts...it looks like the POLITICS section has been resurrected! :nilly::nilly::nilly:

:beer:

f_inscreenname
11-06-2008, 09:45 PM
I for one applauds Donzi for doing what I didn’t have the balls to do on our site.
I also wish they (the Scott’s) would keep it up. There is a lot of politics that goes along with boating. From gas to the environment and everything in between it all affects baoters/voters (us).
Things happen and it doesn’t even have to be during a presidential election. A couple years ago (not an election season) a local rep wanted to ban folks from having trailers in their yards (stopping folks from putting those storage trailers in there yards and leaving them there for months or years). Now most of us know why she wanted to do it but to do it she wanted to ban all trailers. Boats and RV trailers included. Lucky enough a couple local websites picked up on it and then helped to kill it. And she was not reelected during the next cycle. Again thanks to mainly boaters and their websites.
Even if this was a knock down drag out fight for the most part we all have many common interests and need to work together to reach our goals and with that we need a place to speak out letting other know what‘s happening.

roadtrip se
11-06-2008, 10:24 PM
It would be interesting to go back and see how many of the posts in the political section had anything to do with boating. I doubt very few did, if any.

As for the section changing my views on any one particular individual from before and after some time in the forum. No, not really, but a few did confirm what I already suspected of them from my other interactions with them.

I did respect the few who really took the time to research and articulate their views, even if I didn't agree with their perpsective. I found the drive by shooters and wise crack fiends to be juvenile and just plain jack asses which did nothing but prove they have issues with substance and were just looking to throw gasoline on the fire..

The conspiracy stuff on both sides really cracked me up. We will let our view of the world force us to believe anything if we want to bad enough. Most of it was pretty stupid.

Overall, it flat out wore me out and it smelled like two weeks of garabage that missed the truck sitting in the garage after awhile. Glad it got kicked to the curb and I hope all of you who put so much energy into it will put the same energy now back into the boating forums, which is where we all have a mutual interest any way. Enough opinions and different perspectives to keep the winter interesting, if we get focused on it again.

Rootsy
11-07-2008, 07:13 AM
YUP: In Rhode Island there are no Fellow Conservatives to talk to. :bonk:

Oh I donno, your Governor seems to be a pretty decent fellow...

Just Say N20
11-07-2008, 07:33 AM
It would be interesting to go back and see how many of the posts in the political section had anything to do with boating. I doubt very few did, if any.

I thought the POLITICAL SECTION was for posting political stuff. I would have posted boating stuff in the appropriate boating forum. I thought that was the point. :confused:

olredalert
11-07-2008, 07:40 AM
------Went in the political section once and never went back. Thats just me. I knew how I was going to vote and wouldnt ever try to influence anothers vote, so whats the sense.......Bill S

smbarcelow
11-07-2008, 08:04 AM
I appreciated the political section. I've always tried to avoid discussions of religion and politics but, when those things inform your world view, you can't really separate those influences from your views on other topics. For a short time, I was disappointed to have my suspicions about the political leanings of some members with whom I disagreed confirmed, but that disappointment was usually replaced with respect for the decorum they displayed in their arguments. With the exception of a few inappropriate posts on both sides of the aisle, I think this site had a very respectable political forum from which I learned a few things. I'm sad to see it go but it's really up to the owners of the site. I refrained from posting, mostly because I'm not (yet) a financial contributor to the site. I'd like to be but things are kind of tight right now. I suspect that I will be in the near future. Not many forums are done as well as this one. Special thanks to Scot for all his work.

BigGrizzly
11-07-2008, 10:01 AM
I enjoyed it. I liked most of the responses. The only issue was, it exists in the other forums as well and I too am guilty, ar the overboard personal attracts. What the heck it was fun.

gcarter
11-07-2008, 01:30 PM
As I've already said, I enjoyed it.
And as a parting shot, an example of the part the impartial press plays in our elections;


http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/11-07-08.jpg

dfunde01
11-07-2008, 02:19 PM
I, for one, was very disappointed to see the forum shut down. Many of the threads and posts were informative and interesting. I especially enjoyed the discussions with our neighbors to the North and learned of some of the more subtle points of their system.

There are political forums on other boating forums that are clearly labeled "If you don't want to read it, don't look."

The forum here was desirable because it gave me access to exchange ideas with, and learn from, members of this forum that I don't see on other boards. It is interesting that the voices of the few are willing to deny this asset to others on the forum simply because they don't agree with some of the political opinions expressed even though they could simply choose not to read the forum posts.

Dave

zelatore
11-07-2008, 03:01 PM
OK, at first I wanted it to go away. Too many people getting too angry at each other; no place for this on a boating board, etc. Then I thought about it and realized even though I'm in the minority, I had fun with it. So really, I'd be OK with it either way.

Hey George, CNN has it at 53 - 46 (65,136,573 to 57,190,289) That's way better than the 52% you had in the cartoon!

dfunde01
11-07-2008, 05:37 PM
I voted against it in the beginning, but miss it now.. Maybe a paid subscriber forum, with the caveat if ya don't like it, stay out...
And I had this really cool picture to post too.. A little late for Halloween, but even scarier.. :) :D

Perhaps it is in order to poll the paid subscribers and contributors regarding a paid subscribers only forum. Sort of like limiting the vote to tax payers, an idea that is worth discussion.

Dave

gcarter
11-07-2008, 06:36 PM
Hey George, CNN has it at 53 - 46 (65,136,573 to 57,190,289) That's way better than the 52% you had in the cartoon!

It was probably 52.49999% roounded up to 53%.:wink:

Lenny
11-08-2008, 10:29 AM
How come the "YES" colours are RED and the "NO" colours are BLUE ?

...not this again ;) ...

f_inscreenname
11-08-2008, 12:17 PM
Politics are part of our everyday life folks. We should be able to talk about it. We do at work and with the neighbors. Why not here with our internet neighbors?
I'm a Rep. My best friend of 25+ years is a Dim...sorry I meant to say Dem from Delaware. My favorite brother from Maine is also. We throw a couple jabs now and then and spar over the topics but that's about it and on with the rest of life.
But it's not my board. It's up to the Scott's to do what is best for their house and I will respect them for what ever way they go.

Tony
11-08-2008, 04:43 PM
How come the "YES" colours are RED and the "NO" colours are BLUE ?
...not this again ;) ...

I voted yes...:yes:

:beer:

harbormaster
11-09-2008, 10:10 PM
I salute all of you for playing nice with the political forum. I knew it would have spirited discussions but thought it would get totally out of hand.
I was pleasantly surprised and very impressed. I usually vote conservative but enjoyed reading the posts from folks like Zelatore and Ghost. Most posts were well thought out and worth reading no matter what your views were.

The way it always works is that I can will never win and will always piss people off. If I make an out of the way area for people to discuss politics in an adult manner there will be those people that do not want the section even if they do not want to use it. Like in past people will get the mad at me because it exists and leave the site swearing never to return. I have seen it happen time and time again (can you say Donzi Girls?)

Is a little known fact that I hate fishing and consider it a waste of fuel and time (sorry Jefe), but other people like to talk about it. So there is a fishing section. I know its there and I do not go there. Does it bother me that there is a section on something I detest? no. it does not. I do not have to go there. Its like the stinky city dump. I do not have to go there. If i do not go there I do not have to smell it.:wink:

As for politics on a boating site? Whats the problem? This site has grown beyond just boating and Donzis. Sure its our main focus, BUT we are also a social netorking site as well. Someone in a previous post put it most eloquently. "Because we know each other its more like discussing it over a beer."

This place would be pretty boring if we all supported just one candidate and/or all had the same beliefs. Before we get pissed at someone because their beliefs do no match ours, take confort in knowing that we all share the bond of boating and Donzis. This hobby usually transcends any political or religious beliefs and draws us all together.

I would not mind it, even thought its a bit one sided. I liked it because It gave me a place to vent my frustrations.
So its up to you guys. I need a big majority to make a decision. If it is close it stays gone.

Just Say N20
11-11-2008, 06:26 AM
There were no political discussions in any of the 5 boating mags that I subscribe to. There were no political discussions on the other boating forums that I like. I come here to talk about boating, there are other forums for politics..............

I don't understand your logic because there are some BIG differences between magazines and a website. In a magazine, it is a one way communication, not interactive. And magazine space used for political "preaching" can't be used for discussing boating so you get less boating info (which you bought the magazine for), and more political stuff (which you didn't buy the magazine for).

On a website, a political section is interactive. And it's presence DOESN'T take away from the amount of boating information. And most importantly YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE. If you exercise your freedom of choice, and don't visit that forum, it is no different than if the forum wasn't there. All the boating threads will still be just as active.

McGary911
11-11-2008, 07:11 AM
I think I only went there once or twice. I just don't like to see people who share the love of our Donzis at each others throats, which happens from time to time. I voted to keep it. Adults on this board know exactly what can happen in the politics section, and could dive in, or ignore it like i tended to do. Without a dedicated section, it will worm it's way into WYWTTA here, which is where it doesn't belong (history). That's gotta make it tougher for Scott.

I don't go to the fishing section either :wink:

Surfer
11-11-2008, 08:15 AM
I do miss the "Donzi Girls" though!

Carl C
11-11-2008, 09:27 AM
I do miss the "Donzi Girls" though! Look in MadPoodle's albums.:smileybo:

apollo24
11-11-2008, 10:05 AM
I am getting married this weekend, but I thought I'd post up my Donzi girls one last time! :lookaroun:

dfunde01
11-11-2008, 01:29 PM
As for politics on a boating site? Whats the problem? This site has grown beyond just boating and Donzis. Sure its our main focus, BUT we are also a social netorking site as well. Someone in a previous post put it most eloquently. "Because we know each other its more like discussing it over a beer."
This place would be pretty boring if we all supported just one candidate and/or all had the same beliefs. Before we get pissed at someone because their beliefs do no match ours, take confort in knowing that we all share the bond of boating and Donzis. This hobby usually transcends any political or religious beliefs and draws us all together.
I would not mind it, even thought its a bit one sided. I liked it because It gave me a place to vent my frustrations.
So its up to you guys. I need a big majority to make a decision. If it is close it stays gone.
I had the opportunity to engage in meaningful conversation on current events in a "politics" section on this forum with people that I don't see on other sites. The same is true for the "politics" section on boatfreaks.org where it is dormant 95% of the time until an important issue arises.
I do not understand folks that get angry at Scott for allowing a political discussion section that they will not participate in anyway. It is much like those, from both sides of center, that are rabidly for choice in all things unless they happen to disagree with a particular choice.
You have my strong vote in the tally for yes.
Dave

Rootsy
11-11-2008, 03:25 PM
Here's how I celebrated the DNC windfall of November 4th, 2008....

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/jaroot13/ar2.jpg

mike o
11-11-2008, 04:29 PM
I voted yes. Even though the debates sometimes got very heated and sometimes personal. With such a diverse board membership available here...With all the different professional backgrounds, and geographical locations... in business, retail, wholesale, investments, and as consumers. I think having a section for all to contribute their inputs, like George Carters post on health care coverage costs or Don zels high end boat sales in the sf bay area for example, where very interesting and informatve. I Would be a great help to everyone (imoho) during these tough times to have a place to discuss such matters. I especially found it interesting how other fellow business owners where being affected by this recession. And the adjustments to our lives that might have to be made in the future for ourselfs and familys.:wink:

Donzi Vol
11-11-2008, 04:56 PM
I salute all of you for playing nice with the political forum. I knew it would have spirited discussions but thought it would get totally out of hand.
I was pleasantly surprised and very impressed. I usually vote conservative but enjoyed reading the posts from folks like Zelatore and Ghost. Most posts were well thought out and worth reading no matter what your views were.

The way it always works is that I can will never win and will always piss people off. If I make an out of the way area for people to discuss politics in an adult manner there will be those people that do not want the section even if they do not want to use it. Like in past people will get the mad at me because it exists and leave the site swearing never to return. I have seen it happen time and time again (can you say Donzi Girls?)

Is a little known fact that I hate fishing and consider it a waste of fuel and time (sorry Jefe), but other people like to talk about it. So there is a fishing section. I know its there and I do not go there. Does it bother me that there is a section on something I detest? no. it does not. I do not have to go there. Its like the stinky city dump. I do not have to go there. If i do not go there I do not have to smell it.:wink:

As for politics on a boating site? Whats the problem? This site has grown beyond just boating and Donzis. Sure its our main focus, BUT we are also a social netorking site as well. Someone in a previous post put it most eloquently. "Because we know each other its more like discussing it over a beer."

This place would be pretty boring if we all supported just one candidate and/or all had the same beliefs. Before we get pissed at someone because their beliefs do no match ours, take confort in knowing that we all share the bond of boating and Donzis. This hobby usually transcends any political or religious beliefs and draws us all together.

I would not mind it, even thought its a bit one sided. I liked it because It gave me a place to vent my frustrations.
So its up to you guys. I need a big majority to make a decision. If it is close it stays gone.

Harbormaster, it was a great section. I completely understand and respect whichever decision you make with this, but I will throw my name in there as one who would like to see the Politics section stay. As several others have said, it's nice to talk with each other about things other than boats. Don't get me wrong...I love Donzi's! But, it's cool to discuss other stuff from time to time among friends (I guess I have friends...I dunno...haha). Shoot if nothing else, I'll be on my computer about 100% more for the coming months because it's too cold outside for any boating!

chappy
11-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Another yes vote. I learned more the past few months reading that section, than I did in four years of college. I tried to see things through the members eyes that posted. Changed my perspective a bit. There will always be beefs on these forums, oil, windshields, props, bimini's............

Then again, I drank WAY too much in college.:alky::drinkbeer::drool:

Donzi Vol
11-11-2008, 07:34 PM
Then again, I drank WAY too much in college.:alky::drinkbeer::drool:

Haha! Oh...memories! These days I don't have my first beer until 6:00 of an evening. Two years ago I could have (if I had wanted to :wink:) started drinking at 10am!

Funny story along these lines actually. I woke up one day after my senior-level Congress class had already begun. Ok, we all oversleep, but this was an 11:00am class. So I figure I would email the teacher real quick and tell him of the honest mistake I had made. And then I thought to myself, "Wait! I can't tell my teacher that I slept through an 11:00am class! He'll think I'm a drunk!"

dfunde01
11-12-2008, 10:21 AM
Here's how I celebrated the DNC windfall of November 4th, 2008....
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n27/jaroot13/ar2.jpg
Glass and upper?

Rootsy
11-12-2008, 10:33 AM
Glass and upper?

Just the upper... had the glass on a bolt gun in the safe... The celebration was assembly and putting lead down range... lot of dead pumpkins in the compost pile. :wink:

dfunde01
11-12-2008, 04:27 PM
Just the upper... had the glass on a bolt gun in the safe... The celebration was assembly and putting lead down range... lot of dead pumpkins in the compost pile. :wink:
Is that a .223 upper? Who's upper? I'm curious about the bull barrel.

Rootsy
11-12-2008, 04:47 PM
Is that a .223 upper? Who's upper? I'm curious about the bull barrel.
DPMS upper assy. 20" Stainless bull. Free floated. 1:9 twist, 223 chamber. HERE (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=486925&t=22164010)
Lower is a very early DPMS. Bought as a stripped lower. Installed a DPMS LPK and a TAPCO 6 position M4 butt stock.
I'd prefer a 5.56 NATO chamber... but when it came down to it.. beggers couldn't be choosers...

zelatore
11-12-2008, 04:55 PM
give this a try....

www.politicalcompass.org

fwiw, I'm in the 'libertarian left' segment....

dfunde01
11-12-2008, 04:59 PM
DPMS upper assy. 20" Stainless bull. Free floated. 1:9 twist, 223 chamber. HERE (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=486925&t=22164010)
Lower is a very early DPMS. Bought as a stripped lower. Installed a DPMS LPK and a TAPCO 6 position M4 butt stock.
I'd prefer a 5.56 NATO chamber... but when it came down to it.. beggers couldn't be choosers...

Nice setup. The 25-06 Boxes in the background confused me a bit also. I'll just have to muddle by and defend the homestead with a Bushmaster 16". The bad guys won't know the difference.

Rootsy
11-12-2008, 05:03 PM
Nice setup. The 25-06 Boxes in the background confused me a bit also. I'll just have to muddle by and defend the homestead with a Bushmaster 16". The bad guys won't know the difference.

My 700 Mountain Rifle originally was a 25-06... I re-barreled it with a Shilen Match Grade tube, chambered it for 280 Remington. So the 25-06 is left over ammunition that has not found a new home... Don't know anyone else with a 25-06... Rest of the stuff in the green and gray cases is reload ready 280 brass...

DonziJon
11-12-2008, 05:13 PM
Since we're talking about guns: I know nothing about them BUT.. In the Rhode Island news this past weekend, since the election, local gun shops are running out of stock. According to the "Drive Bys", people are stocking up on guns and ammo ahead of the new President coming into office because he (and his allies) just might "Clamp Down" on ownership. :yes: John

ky-donzi
11-12-2008, 05:18 PM
Yes DonziJon I have heard the same here locally. People are running out and buying everything. A buddy of mine said all ammo was up because of demand.

Roosty .. 25-06 is a awesome round, super flat, super acurate.... How does the 280 compair?

Tony
11-12-2008, 10:03 PM
give this a try....
www.politicalcompass.org
fwiw, I'm in the 'libertarian left' segment....

Very interesting site...it seems like a well-researched asessment.
I'm also in the "libertarian left" quadrant, more specifically at about (-3,-3).
I'd be curious to hear where others are placed, but wait...the POLITICS section is gone! :confused:

:beer:

Rootsy
11-13-2008, 07:03 AM
Yes DonziJon I have heard the same here locally. People are running out and buying everything. A buddy of mine said all ammo was up because of demand.

Roosty .. 25-06 is a awesome round, super flat, super acurate.... How does the 280 compair?

280 is more versatile. I can load it with 100 grain HP's for long range varmint... or 175 grain partitions for big critters... Lot of choices in between.

Rootsy
11-13-2008, 07:17 AM
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.97
Am I going to die? :nilly::nilly::nilly:

I fall Economic Left / Right: +.25
Social Libertarian / Authoritarian: -1.38

BUIZILLA
11-13-2008, 07:22 AM
-1.75

1.23

now.... I have no idea what that means... :bonk:

mike o
11-13-2008, 07:23 AM
Can anybody explain to me why american express could possiably need federal assistance from us taxpayers. Knowing their criteria to get and keep the so called ... Card? (wtf)...:bonk:

BUIZILLA
11-13-2008, 07:26 AM
Can anybody explain to me why american express could possiably need federal assistance from us taxpayers. Knowing their criteria to get and keep the so called ... Card? (wtf)...:bonk: Monday they declare themselves a banking institution or holding company, Tuesday they ask for a handout... why does the largest and most greediest card company in the world need a handout? not a bailout mind you, a handout...

boxy
11-13-2008, 07:56 AM
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.97
Am I going to die? :nilly::nilly::nilly:

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31

:confused::confused:

Rootsy
11-13-2008, 07:56 AM
Hell Detroit wants a baliout now... Where is it going to end?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/17965373/detail.html


DETROIT -- The Detroit City Council voted on a non-binding resolution Wednesday that asks for a $10 billion bailout for the city.

The resolution was not on the city council’s agenda and was brought up at the end of the meeting by Council President Pro Tem JoAnn Watson.

Watson said the city needs the funds to spread offer more employment, improve transportation and rebuild the crumbling housing industry in the area.

"We've been very nice, we've been waiting. It's inappropriate to wait, they didn't elect us to wait and see what others are going to do," Watson said during the meeting.

"While the president-elect is right next door in Chicago, we need to put this on his agenda," added Councilman Kwame Kenyatta, referring to Barack Obama.

The council writes in the resolution that Detroit has been “historically dependent” on the auto industry, which is the “backbone” of U.S. manufacturing and essential to stabilizing the nation’s economy.

The resolution calls for Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. to meet with Gov. Jennifer Granholm, the Michigan congressional delegation and Washington officials such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and members of President Bush and President-elect Barack Obama’s teams.

The only dissenting vote was Councilwoman Sheila Cockrel, who said the idea behind the resolution needed to be more specific on how the funds would be spent if the city was granted them.

"This isn't about sentiment, it's not about emotion, it's about focus and hard-nosed planning," said Cockrel.

When asked if she thought $10 billion was an arbitrary number, city council President Monica Conyers said, "No. It's no more arbitrary than they asking for $700 billion and that's just for that industry."

Mayor Cockrel has not commented on the resolution but his spokesman said the mayor will be in Washington next week to support a bailout for the auto industry.

A copy of the text as it was presented during the meeting is below:

Resolution to “Bail-Out” Detroit with $10 Billion For: Public Service Employment, Moratorium on Foreclosures & Transit

Whereas the City of Detroit supports the “Bail-Out” proposed for the American Automobile Industry as the backbone of the USA Manufacturing to stabilize the nation’s economy and labor force, and

Whereas the City of Detroit joins other cities in Southeast Michigan who are calling for an urgent infusion of federal resources in order to stabilize our municipalities which are disproportionately impacted by foreclosure rates as high as 20 %, unemployment rates as high as 30% and mass transit plans that are not sufficiently budgeted to facilitate regional rapid transit, which would spur economic growth vital to the region, and

Whereas the City of Detroit as a major city in this nation, as the home of the auto industry, and as city which has been historically dependent on the automobile industry as the main artery for its economic well-being and as a major employer for auto executives, plant workers, auto supplies who directly impact homeownership, public school enrollment, retail business patronage and the corresponding tax base; then therefore be it

Resolved that the City Council request that the Mayor & City Council President of the City Immediately meet with the Governor, Michigan’s Congressional delegation, the Speaker of the House, officials from the Bush Administration and the Transition Team of the President-Elect urgently and immediately in order to facilitate a Bail-Out of $10 Billion Dollars..

mike o
11-13-2008, 08:01 AM
Monday they declare themselves a banking institution or holding company, Tuesday they ask for a handout... why does the largest and most greediest card company in the world need a handout? not a bailout mind you, a handout....... Like the guy on the tell-e said this morning. When the government GIVES OUT FREE $$$........ It attracts all the FLIES!:shocking:... On a boating topic. The company that makes all my resin and gelcoat. A small family owned company from Mass that made all the materials for boston whaler when they where in Mass, has had the worst year in ther 60 + yr history. They are pretty much dead in the H2-0..............

Just Say N20
11-13-2008, 08:36 AM
This is beginning to sound a lot like a Political Discussion :shocking:!

And, BTW, what this is demonstrating is EXACTLY why a government run, national health care system won't work.

zelatore
11-13-2008, 09:40 AM
Very interesting site...it seems like a well-researched asessment.
I'm also in the "libertarian left" quadrant, more specifically at about (-3,-3).
I'd be curious to hear where others are placed, but wait...the POLITICS section is gone! :confused:
:beer:

Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.97
Am I going to die? :nilly::nilly::nilly:

I fall Economic Left / Right: +.25
Social Libertarian / Authoritarian: -1.38

-1.75
1.23
now.... I have no idea what that means... :bonk:

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31
:confused::confused:

Hmmmm....looks like the site seems to push people a little more 'left' on the grid than most think they are. I had expected to see more scores into the upper right side of the grid.

FWIW, I was roughly -4, -4

gcarter
11-13-2008, 12:25 PM
No surprise here...+4.12, +2.56

I bet many of you knew that.

zelatore
11-13-2008, 12:36 PM
No surprise here...+4.12, +2.56

I bet many of you knew that.

The real surprise was that another friend of mine was +6.88, +2.0

That's the biggest number I'd seen anybody post.

Just Say N20
11-13-2008, 01:24 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/streb2005/Picture1-1.png

zelatore
11-13-2008, 01:46 PM
Wow - I expected much higher numbers from you, N20... are you getting soft these days? :wink:

Ghost
11-13-2008, 01:58 PM
You do undershtand zat all of zese vill be put in your file vit ze rest of your papers? :lookaroun:

zelatore
11-13-2008, 02:09 PM
You do undershtand zat all of zese vill be put in your file vit ze rest of your papers? :lookaroun:

I thought I was the one paranoid about the Patriot Act --:wink:

Just Say N20
11-13-2008, 03:06 PM
Wow - I expected much higher numbers from you, N20... are you getting soft these days? :wink:


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/streb2005/pillsbury_doughboy.jpg

Donzi Vol
11-13-2008, 04:51 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/streb2005/pillsbury_doughboy.jpg

Haha! That's awesome.

zelatore
11-13-2008, 06:47 PM
Here's a good aside...

Can any of you right-wing types recomend a good right-of-center talk show or news source? Not one of the screaming, yelling, bash everyone who doesn't have a bible permantly implanted in their hand types, but an actual thoughtful, factual host who presents his side of the story without being an a$$.

I ask because my girlfriend and I thought we'd try to listen to some of the 'other' side's stuff now that the election is over and hopefully the rhetoric has toned down.

The last time we tried we just made ourselves sick, but maybe you guys can recomend somebody worth listening to.

DonziJon
11-13-2008, 07:02 PM
Here's a good aside...
Can any of you right-wing types recomend a good right-of-center talk show? Not one of the screaming, yelling, bash everyone who doesn't have a bible permantly implanted in their hand types, but an actual thoughtful, factual host who presents his side of the story without being an a$$.
I ask because my girlfriend and I thought we'd try to listen to some of the 'other' side's stuff now that the election is over and hopefully the rhetoric has toned down.
The last time we tried we just made ourselves sick, but maybe you guys can recomend somebody worth listening to.

Right Of Center: RUSH ..Everywhere @ Noon Eastern. Over 630 stations. Try It. If you don't find it interesting after the first hour..Tune in "Air America". John

FISHIN SUCKS
11-13-2008, 07:08 PM
Can any of you right-wing types recomend a good right-of-center talk show or news source? Not one of the screaming, yelling, bash everyone who doesn't have a bible permantly implanted in their hand types, but an actual thoughtful, factual host who presents his side of the story without being an a$$.
.
Oh Don, you know I like ya:yes:, so bear with me here......do you mean like someone comparable to Tom Lykus or Alan Combs (forgive my spelling:bonk:, but his radio show was cancelled:nilly:)?

zelatore
11-13-2008, 07:09 PM
Right Of Center: RUSH ..Everywhere @ Noon Eastern. Over 630 stations. Try It. If you don't find it interesting after the first hour..Tune in "Air America". John

I'm sorry, perhaps I should have made the part about "not an a$$" bold...

And by right of center, I meant 'just' right of center. Remember, we're coming from NPR and PBS.

Carl C
11-13-2008, 07:09 PM
Politics cost me a $20 board donation. How about some more virtual bucks to gamble away?:cards:

gcarter
11-13-2008, 07:35 PM
Rush doesn't scream and is a very funny guy.

Try before you criticize.

gcarter
11-13-2008, 07:50 PM
A few years ago I did listen to Allan Colmes once...after about 15 minutes the subject matter left me feeling I'd been swimming in a sewer.....
NPR it wasn't.

I've listened to NPR...

Ghost
11-13-2008, 09:07 PM
Can any of you right-wing types recomend a good right-of-center talk show or news source? Not one of the screaming, yelling, bash everyone who doesn't have a bible permantly implanted in their hand types, but an actual thoughtful, factual host who presents his side of the story without being an a$$.

At the risk of falling into the trap of painting myself a "right-wing type" :), I highly recommend Ron Smith, 3-6PM Eastern on wbal in Baltimore. You can listen online at:

http://www.wbal.com/

The catch is that there is often a mix of local politics with everything else, but if you sample a few days I think you will get something useful. And as for yelling, every once in a while (more often as a teaser) he will rant for 30 seconds or so, but this tone is almost always tongue in cheek even if might not always be recognizable as such to the new listener.

smbarcelow
11-13-2008, 09:22 PM
G. Gordon Liddy is thoughtful and intellectual. He's far right of center, though. I think he's lighter on rhetoric than Rush and Sean (whom I also like).

Lenny
11-13-2008, 09:57 PM
????

You should see better than 59 GPS even with the 270 AND a ZZ4. I saw 58-59 ish GPS in my X-18 with a tired old 350 and a 280 running a 24" Ultra.

My guess is you haven't aired out your hull enough. Try the third hole :)

smbarcelow
11-14-2008, 07:30 AM
You should see better than 59 GPS even with the 270 AND a ZZ4. I saw 58-59 ish GPS in my X-18 with a tired old 350 and a 280 running a 24" Ultra.

My guess is you haven't aired out your hull enough. Try the third hole :)

I think waking up cylinder 1 from its slumber may help a bit. :wink: I discovered after I pulled her out this fall that the alternator bracket is preventing the boot from engaging the plug the way it should. Spark was also jumping through the boot. I'm sure it was firing some, but that explains the misfire I was wrestling with. The outdrive is set at the third hole now but she's a handful with a tired steering cable that's a tad long and forced into a tight radius at the rear of the boat. I'm thinking I'll see low 60's next spring.

How about that? Some bona fide boating discussion crept into our politics thread. :cool:

zelatore
11-14-2008, 09:34 AM
Oh Don, you know I like ya:yes:, so bear with me here......do you mean like someone comparable to Tom Lykus or Alan Combs (forgive my spelling:bonk:, but his radio show was cancelled:nilly:)?

Rush doesn't scream and is a very funny guy.

Try before you criticize.

A few years ago I did listen to Allan Colmes once...after about 15 minutes the subject matter left me feeling I'd been swimming in a sewer.....
NPR it wasn't.

I've listened to NPR...

At the risk of falling into the trap of painting myself a "right-wing type" :), I highly recommend Ron Smith, 3-6PM Eastern on wbal in Baltimore. You can listen online at:

http://www.wbal.com/

The catch is that there is often a mix of local politics with everything else, but if you sample a few days I think you will get something useful. And as for yelling, every once in a while (more often as a teaser) he will rant for 30 seconds or so, but this tone is almost always tongue in cheek even if might not always be recognizable as such to the new listener.

G. Gordon Liddy is thoughtful and intellectual. He's far right of center, though. I think he's lighter on rhetoric than Rush and Sean (whom I also like).

George, I actually did try Rush ... many years ago. Couldn't stand him. Even though at the time I didn't have a lot of positions to 'defend', it seemed like all he did was belittle and attack everything he didn't like. And it was painfully obvious just how one-sided he was. I suspect your comment about 'swimming in the sewer' could be applied to my Rush encounter.

As for who/what I'm looking for, I'm not really sure. Just a 'dissenting opinion', I guess, but it needs to be presented in a way I can stomach. Nothing overtly one-sided. I may try out some of the other suggestions. Ron Smith sounds particularly interesting as I often listen to local hosts on KGO here in the bay area, so he may have some of that same flavor. The timing's a bit of a problem for a west coast guy though.

This is really Michele's idea - she asked me to ask you guys since I've been known to go to her after reading something in the politics section and say 'you won't believe what I just read on the board!'

DonziJon
11-14-2008, 10:45 AM
After the Democrat Machine steals the election from Norm Coleman in Minnesota for Al Franken, you'll be able to listen to Franken on the Senate Floor. He's pretty easy to understand. Every third or fourth sentence he utters is: ......."Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha". :yes:

I listened to Franken on Air America for awhile when he was on one of our local stations (RI) for about seven months before he was cancelled about two years ago.

I've watched Hannity & Colmes a few times and no longer tune in because I can't stand Colmes. He's just a nasty little snake with nothing substantive to say.. John

gcarter
11-14-2008, 10:46 AM
The time I was referring to was when the "Fairness Doctrine" was still in place.....The local Ocala or Orlando station had Colmes on right after Rush.
Alan immediately got into a Anti-Christian/Pro-Abortion diatribe........some of the things he said were beyond the Pale...and useless.
This was obviously pre-Fox.....I doubt he would do the same things today.

Kind of like that Pro-Gay talking head on KGO that called for the assisination of Joe-the-Plumber.
That was beyond the Pale...and he's looking foir another job.

But Don, you're not the only person I know that lives in your neighborhood. I must say that the general perception of the world in your geographical area seems to live in a world of its own.
Believe me when I tell you much of the rest of the country has different perceptions of a lot of issues.

I'm reminded of the late '90's and the impending Y2K dilemma. Because we do spend some time every year in the West, we were aware many people in the West saw Y2K as "The End of The World As We Know It".
For the rest of the country, it seemed much more of an intangible irritation.

zelatore
11-14-2008, 12:14 PM
The time I was referring to was when the "Fairness Doctrine" was still in place.....The local Ocala or Orlando station had Colmes on right after Rush.
Alan immediately got into a Anti-Christian/Anti-Abortion diatribe........some of the things he said were beyond the Pale...and useless.
This was obviously pre-Fox.....I doubt he would do the same things today.

Kind of like that Pro-Gay talking head on KGO that called for the assisination of Joe-the-Plumber.
That was beyond the Pale...and he's looking foir another job.

But Don, you're not the only person I know that lives in your neighborhood. I must say that the general perception of the world in your geographical area seems to live in a world of its own.
Believe me when I tell you much of the rest of the country has different perceptions of a lot of issues.

I'm reminded of the late '90's and the impending Y2K dilemma. Because we do spend some time every year in the West, we were aware many people in the West saw Y2K as "The End of The World As We Know It".
For the rest of the country, it seemed much more of an intangible irritation.

You're right that the bay area is a world of it's own. Sometimes that's good; sometimes it's bad. Even within California, this area is a standout.

I think the KGO personality you are talking about is (was) Korrel. He was never one of their main-stream hosts - his shift was late-night and I think one weekend day. He was one of the people I didn't listen too as he often put down his callers and was far too shrill. Even when I agree with hosts like that I can't stand to listen to them. They have another host, Bill Watenburg, who does fill-in work. He's fairly conservative, but every single issue or call he gets eventually turns into him bashing the guy and somehow promoting nuke power. (seriously, you could call about anything and he would still manage to bring it around to nuke power). I happen to be pro-nuke in this case, but I can't stand to listen to him belittle every caller who doesn't just say 'gee, you're the greatest' then hang up. BTW, I knew he (Korrel) was gone, but I didn't hear about him calling for killing Joe the Plumber. I thought he got busted running his mouth during a break with an open mike. That could have been what you're talking about if he made remarks about Joe then.

On the other hand, I do like Ronn Owens (he's on now) when I get a chance to listen to him, and I'm OK with Gene Burns most of the time (7 to 10 at night) although he gets a little over the top from time to time as well. I liked Pete Wilson (afternoons) before he passed away last year, but his replacement isn't as good.

dfunde01
11-14-2008, 12:53 PM
Since I have seen little opposition to establishing a political forum in this thread I must assume that the nays are hitting Scott pretty hard off the forum with e-mails or Private Messages. Interesting how some folks avoid open discussion when they are on the short end of the vote and would rather lobby in the background.

Hang tough Scott.

Dave

Patti
11-14-2008, 01:23 PM
My results ..

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Not really a big suprise

Rush makes me want to take a spork to myself.

Tony
11-14-2008, 01:33 PM
Similar numbers to mine, Patti.
We've GOT to hook up early next summer for a Donzi cruise! :)

:beer:

Ghost
11-14-2008, 01:34 PM
Rush makes me want to take a spork to myself.

I laughed out loud when I read that.

Also reminds me of the old joke...

Patti
11-14-2008, 01:36 PM
Similar numbers to mine, Patti.
We've GOT to hook up early next summer for a Donzi cruise! :)

:beer:


I am SO holding you to that! Jamie has always told me awesome things about you...I think it'd be nice to get together next year :)

Patti
11-14-2008, 01:37 PM
I laughed out loud when I read that.

Also reminds me of the old joke...


heh!..sporks..can't find em anywhere cept at Taco Bell..go figger! :)

I still like reading your posts dammit! :p

Patti
11-14-2008, 01:51 PM
I laughed out loud when I read that.

Also reminds me of the old joke...


btw- LOVE Ayn Rand :)

zelatore
11-14-2008, 03:42 PM
Rush makes me want to take a spork to myself. )


spork.

now that's funny! :rlol:

chappy
11-14-2008, 04:21 PM
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0HFKR3pzyjwJ::www.backpackinglight.co m/backpackinglight/images/large/spork-sul-L.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/images/large/spork-sul-L.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/bpl_titanium_spork_sul.html&h=600&w=600&sz=29&tbnid=0HFKR3pzyjwJ::&tbnh=135&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dspork%2Bpicture&hl=en&usg=__gEZyd7Fhi4BTKGOANWmaE7uLp3g=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1)

In case anyone didn't know.:tooth:

Ghost
11-14-2008, 04:26 PM
I think it's time for an old fashioned Michigan donzi.net get together next year...

Fair warning: Michigan is my second home and I will crash any Michigan Donzi gathering (probably my wife too). Expect to see hitchhikers trying to bum a ride.

I'm just sayin'...

Patti
11-14-2008, 04:28 PM
Fair warning: Michigan is my second home and I will crash any Michigan Donzi gathering (probably my wife too). Expect to see hitchhikers trying to bum a ride.

I'm just sayin'...

Well you're more than welcome to come for a visit or a meal..politics aside..we'd be thrilled to have new friends visit!

Tony
11-14-2008, 04:37 PM
Sounds like a plan! :yes: :yes: :yes:

:beer:

dfunde01
11-14-2008, 07:46 PM
Interesting how some folks jump to conclusions... :nilly: :nilly: :bighug:

Point taken. I typed " I must assume" when I meant "I suspect". Harbormaster's earlier comments regarding the rather strong complaints he has received in the past, and there absence on this thread, led to my expressing that thouht.

Dave