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BUIZILLA
07-07-2007, 09:18 PM
a Toyota, sponsored by Caterpillar, running a restrictor plate, chasing a COT sponsored by Viagra?? :bonk:

now, think about that for just a sec... :pretzel:

what's wrong with that picture?? :confused:

what happened to good 'ol apple pie, hot dogs, American flags, Vernor's, cowboy boots, chewing tobacco, and Ford's/Chevy's/Pontiac's/Dodge's on race day?? :frown: :boggled:

FUELPOWERED
07-07-2007, 10:46 PM
I agree. It's the same b.s. with IRL racing. Maybe worse. All the drivers, cars and engines ain't from here. Sucks.

Cuda
07-07-2007, 10:55 PM
It was a damn close race. I was telling Debbie that it's still not like the old day when you could tell a Ford, from a Chevy, from a Dodge. I watched it from start to finish.

BigGrizzly
07-08-2007, 11:53 AM
There was an article about this a while ago. They are trying to get more sponsors and money for racing. seems drivers and teams cost sooo much they need a bigger profit and the fact that spectators are dwindling. And no it doesn't seem right. When did Toyota ever have a flat tappet cam? In my opinion it isn't right.

rustnrot
07-08-2007, 12:33 PM
I recently met a fellow Donzi owner in NC who works for TRD and I asked him about Toyota's NASCAR engine. He said the engine is Toyota's own design, of course not at all like anything they ever put in a car/truck since it has to be carb'ed, flat tappetted, pushrod, all cast iron, etc. I think it is 355? cubic inches. He went on further to say parts of it are made in US, europe, etc. etc. and assembled tested here.
Long ago, NASCAR engines were a close cousin of what was produced for daily drivers. I gotta believe, to compete today, that the NASCAR engines that Chevy produces, for example, are clean-sheet designs that are more unlike anything produced for daily drivers today or they simply could not compete. Would this be a fair statement?

dclassic
07-08-2007, 10:19 PM
Not to hijack this thread, but this is interesting since we got on a Toyota topic...
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stories/silvercreek/silvercreek.html
Watch the video very closely! You would think Toyota could have fixed something this simple with all that hundreds of millions they spent on marketing for the new Tundra. Kinda makes me glad I have a domestic truck.

hardcrab
07-08-2007, 10:38 PM
Rustnrot ..........
ABSOLUTELY that is a fair statement.
Drivers, politics, sponsors (yeah, yeah, yeah )
The entire attraction to the sport is competition of the rival manufacterers.

IT ALL WENT BAD (changed) when the Thunderbird got slipery body lines in the mid 80's. Chevy having to compete and adhere to to true "stock car " values, produced the bubble back Monte Carlo in limited public sale to rival the T-bird on the track. Then went to the Lumina as the standard production model (having a natural aero design).
Ford went to a Taurus and all the controversy was on the nose cones and advantage to design.
NASCAR and their conquest to please everybody all the time eventually decided to make the only differences in the models the decals. (COT cars)
Now we have Toyota manufacturing a push rod motor not available in production just in order to play in this game.

The sport just ain't the same as what most of us were attracted to in the first place. Notice that the IROC series didn't happen this year (due to lack of sponsor and fan interest)

I still find myself watching week after week but the corporate advertising invasion leaves a bad taste that gets worse all the time.
:convertib: ; whats next ?

Sadly, this is no more than WWF, when the spectators no longer float the sport ......... ????????????

pmreed
07-09-2007, 08:13 AM
I quit watching NASCAR when they went away from "stock" cars. What's on the track bears no resemblance to what's on the street. When I watch car racing, I watch open wheel or Lemans series racers.

Phil

BUIZILLA
07-09-2007, 08:26 AM
and the creation of the SB2 Chevy head.... the W7 Mopar head....

besides, when did Ford ever make a 2 door Taurus ??

Donziweasel
07-09-2007, 08:35 AM
To qoute Robert Duvall in Days of Thunder "There ain't nothing stock about a stock car". Also, a Nextel Cup Engine has a maximum displacement of 358 CID. Considering they are getting 800 hp out of a pushrod cast iron flat tappet engine that can go hard for 500 miles is pretty impressive. Yeah, I was kinda a fan until all the COT and huge teams. Give me the days (1965 to be exact) when Bill Elliott qualified at 212 mph unrestricted at Talladega and Daytona in the Thunderbird and had no teammates.

BUIZILLA
07-09-2007, 08:41 AM
(1965 to be exact) I don't think it was 1965 , but hey, what's 20 years between friends...

Donziweasel
07-09-2007, 08:52 AM
Jim, you are right, it was a typo, 1985. Haven't had my coffee yet.

WA-LO
07-09-2007, 08:57 AM
Yeah and next year its the "Sprint Cup" instead of the Nextel cup so that will probably last a year and it will be the Cingular/At&T cup and who knows
mabe th IPhone cup!!!!! Hey how about the Donzi Cup that has a nice ring to it!!!:yes:

BUIZILLA
07-09-2007, 09:14 AM
A VERY close friend of mine has his own Hooter's Cup truck team, his son is his driver, he finances everything himself.... one of his sisters' has her own NASCAR team... their NOT poor...

He told me last week, that the latest secret pit buzz is that the 2009 Busch program is going to Mustangs, Camaro's and Challenger's.... since the *new* 2009 Camaro is due to be released in fall of 2008, he was unsure of the powerplant format, but everyone was hoping it would be an aluminum modular engine shootout of the 5.7 LS-1, 5.4 Ford, 5.7 HEMI, all coil_on_plug designs.....

Now, that's some exciting *stock* car news... maybe, just maybe, there's some hope...

you heard it here first..

:cool!:

WA-LO
07-09-2007, 09:27 AM
Jim you are one amazing source for ANYTHING PERIOD , if I need to know anything Im asking you first and Im not being sarcastic !

BUIZILLA
07-09-2007, 09:43 AM
in light of the fact that the current Busch program is getting stale (look at the bleachers attendance Friday night) and the current IROC program is dead, it only makes sense for a marquee revival.... one can only hope it's not a fluff rumor...

I must admit, the Pepsi 400 finish the other night was a real nail biter right to the end, that was an incredible 180 mph train at the finish line... i'm thrilled to see Jamie McMurray win, after not doing so for the last 160 starts, he drove his ass off and did it cleanly with passion, he's as down home apple pie as it gets..

NASCAR, Gaylord Entertainment, and Bruton Smith as track owners aren't into racing, they are into entertainment and they flat out admit that, restrictor plates create excitement, and entertainment, and crashes, and death's, and conversation....

Rootsy
07-09-2007, 10:06 AM
NASCAR isn't about racing... well to some it may be... but what it really is about... is... The corporate fleecing of the American people.

chappy
07-09-2007, 10:22 AM
I must admit, the Pepsi 400 finish the other night was a real nail biter right to the end, that was an incredible 180 mph train at the finish line... i'm thrilled to see Jamie McMurray win, after not doing so for the last 160 starts, he drove his ass off and did it cleanly with passion, he's as down home apple pie as it gets..
That's a good call. My father got a chance to be a guest in McMurray's pit at a Busch race in Richmond a few years back. He said he was as down to earth and as humble as anyone he'd ever met. I've always pulled for him after that.
Rich

Donziweasel
07-09-2007, 10:24 AM
Everyone at work is a NASCAR fan. I guess if I had to pick a driver it would be Elliott Sadler. I know he sucked with Yates, but I have hope with Everham, although his performance this year is not great. He just seems like a down to earth guy unlike a lot of the drivers. Still was living in an apartment at the beginning of the season.

I use to love CART, until the whole IRL split. What a mess that was/is. My man use to be Emmerson Fitipaldi. Just can't watch it anymore since the "breakup". Every year there is talk to merging the two, but they just can't agree. Sad, becuase it use to be a pretty competitive and fun to watch series.

hardcrab
07-09-2007, 10:32 AM
NHRA is still a legitamate sport ; when a major player like John Force has to qualify in the field in order to race on sunday.
There is no corporate protection , no past champion provisionals - just performance.

Carl C
07-09-2007, 10:51 AM
I went to the local mega Bass Pro-Shop today to get some oil. Not only didn't they have the Quicksilver 25w40 but they had a Toyota Tundra on display with the boats. This is in metro Detroit. What a slap in the face. I'll get my boat oil and stuff at Boater's World from now on. BTW, I don't watch Nascar.

BUIZILLA
07-09-2007, 11:08 AM
NHRA is still a legitamate sport ; when a major player like John Force has to qualify in the field in order to race on sunday.
There is no corporate protection , no past champion provisionals - just performance. I was watching the NHRA Bristol qualifying Saturday afternoon, and JForce wasn't too happy..... I don't think his daughter's bad luck/stuck throttle stop spacer was helping either, but she's not a hot head like her dad can be.... KBernstein was equally frustrated, but bluntly honest of his tribulations in his summary.... Jeggy boy was sure flyin' :cool: Jeff Byrd was damm sure happy...

BERTRAM BOY
07-09-2007, 11:51 AM
I quit watching NASCAR when they went away from "stock" cars. What's on the track bears no resemblance to what's on the street. When I watch car racing, I watch open wheel or Lemans series racers.
Phil


Phil, I'm right there with you.....Sports car racing and Formula 1 for me.

superhatz
07-09-2007, 01:53 PM
Not to hijack this thread, but this is interesting since we got on a Toyota topic...
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stories/silvercreek/silvercreek.html
Watch the video very closely! You would think Toyota could have fixed something this simple with all that hundreds of millions they spent on marketing for the new Tundra. Kinda makes me glad I have a domestic truck.


Made at Ford's proving ground.......:rolleyes:

Team Jefe
07-10-2007, 04:12 PM
So NASCAR....That's the one with Ricky Bobby, Right?:lookaroun: