Negate the May 1 Boycott

[harbormaster]

I received the following in my email and could not agree with it more.
I heard that all the tejano/mexican stations are starting to play the starspangled banner being sung in spanish. In my area there are more spanish speaking radio stations than english speaking. I do not feel it is racist to be against this. Well anyway read the notice below. I plan to do this. If you care about the american way of life then I suggest you give some thought to making your voice heard.
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As you may know, on May 1st, a large nationwide boycott is being planned by Mexicans, both legal and illegal, and those sympathetic to their cause.
(Google "May 1 boycott" for more info.) The plan is to not work, to not go to school, to not purchase from U.S. businesses in order to show the financial loss to the U.S. economy, thus showing the "power" these several million have to Congress and our Government. It is the purpose of this E-mail to rally America to negate these proposed "losses" by doing all of our purchases on that day, May 1st. Go to work, go to school, and hire LEGAL U.S. citizens to do the work these protesters would have done. So, put off buying gas, food, and any purchases or hired workers until May 1st if at all possible. Do your own lawn, sweep your own driveway, wash your own dishes, clean your own house or business, or hire a legal American citizen to do it. It's time for America to wake up and send a message of our own to those who think they have the power to change our country to suit their needs and wants. Majority rules, and makes the rules. We just want the rules followed...by everyone! It's time again for the "Silent Majority" to be silent no longer. NEGATE THE BOYCOTT ON MAY 1, 2006. "E Pluribus Unum".


We are going to wait till May 1 to buy our grocerys, gas, everything. These are the times that try mens souls. United we stand, divided we fall. Doing something is better than doing nothing.

[Carl C]

IMO these boycotts rarely work but I will do my shopping on Monday May 1.

[TBroccoli]

Lets plan a big American Party on Cinco De Myo.

[MOP]

Thats the plan all "Real Americans" shop on May show our solidairty!

Honest I have no real B^&%$ with these people, I hate the people that employ them illeagaly! If they all paid taxes Just Like Us there would be very little issue. We know how they are killing our health care system, the local hospitals are closing their emergency rooms. School budgets are going to hell by them not paying their fair share, get it fair and let them work. Extremely heavy fines need to be levied against all who employ them off the books etc.

Phil

[Bob]

If we had a national sales tax instead of an income tax, EVERYBODY would pay their taxes.:yes:

[Chili 18]

If we had a national sales tax instead of an income tax, EVERYBODY would pay their taxes.:yes:


This is a good point about a national sales tax. I suppose the flat tax alothough more solid perhaps, would still allow the bugs to slip thru the cracks.

I do some pretty heavy shopping what with my family and building a new house. Ill save up and shop on 'boycot day' sure, why not. I suspect the real impact of the boycot would be felt by the employers of the illegals.

I like Mexico, and her people in general as well... But it pisses me off that they take for granted our society and openness. And that it means so little for them to go thru the proper channels to become us citizens. Two of my best friends married ladies from eastern europe. I watched how difficult the process of becoming a citizen was for them even pre 911. And I see how proud they are to be citizens and hear them talk about what a wonderful country this is. Thats the way its suppose to work. The Illegals, unfortunately, send a good percentage of their tax free earnings back to central america. It isnt even all spent here.

In a humane way... we need to get these people on the books. And stop the inflow on the free and open border. Easier said than done eh. For 'fun' sometime... Go to google earth if you have it on your computer. Youy can start at the gulf of mexico and do a "flight" over the boarder. You will start to get a different perspective on how impossible it is to 'close' the boarder.
Also, look at the boarder crossing points. You will see cars backed up for blocks if not miles on the mexican side waiting to cross. HArdly any cars waiting to head south on our side. Pretty telling...

Seems the only way to make it work at all is to make the process of entering and working legally quite easy, which also sets a path for citizenship. While at the same time cracking down more on employers. Which is again of course extreemely difficult. As a large percentage of employers are small businesses that hire day labor without regular patterns.

Its a problem. Again, somehow it seems we wont 'solve' it untill we as a populas decide on the proper solution and determine to enforce the plan.

[ChromeGorilla]

Thats fine, they can stay home on Monday...... but besides not going to work they need to take the boycott the entire way..... don't use any services that are paid for with taxpayers money.....

Not one of their kids should be in a public school that day.

Not one of them should show up at an emergency room to get some free medical care.

Not one of them should call the PD, FD, or EMT'S. (911 in general)

None of them should use ANY public transportation system

And besides.... if the illegals miss work no biggie, it's not like the government is missing out collecting any income tax.....:rolleyes:

At work today they warned about anyone missing any work that didn't already have scheduled time of on Monday, they had better be there....

[ChromeGorilla]

I saw on the news today at lunch that even the Mexican government is sending a delegation to the rally in L.A. on Monday......:fire: :fire: :fire:

[RedDog]

OK, here's the quiz - Why was the date of May 1 picked for this demonstration?


Bob - I like your thinking on the national sales tax. Everyone owes it to themselves to understand all of the elements of the FairTax Plan - http://www.fairtax.org

[BUIZILLA]

No work on Monday....



means......



no job on Tuesday....

[Reedy]

Because they already have Friday off and they don't want to work all the time.......

[Greg K]

Just in case...some of them do not participate in the boycott..
Follow his lead.. :fire:
Illegals (http://dl3.dumpalink.com/media/bwKpd4QCbeZq/m01vDxKcXvzY.wmv)

[apollo24]

Oh, great. So half of them will resort to stealing even more from us on May 1st, since they aren't allowing themselves to pay for anything. :shocking:
My Donzi is going to get filled up on 1May. That should help, huh?

[MOP]

There is a lot more to this then we think, all imigrants can get all kinds of grants to start a business and get to run it almost tax free, free medical. And another thing I just found out is many get Social Security even after they return to their home countries! Tell me the playing field is fair they have more help then a bonified American! They can stay but by Christ let them pay their fair share!!! Why should any imigrant get more then we do??? That crap needs to stop!!!

How many of you have a bike rider come and do you yard? They are working during the week for someone earning 8-12 an hour but won't work for less the 12-15 for you TAX FREE! Not sue of correct spelling but learn the word OCHO meaning $8 that is the same or more then they earn from a reagular job. Thats what I pay them, true most don't come back but there is an endless supply of bikes and riders!!!!!!

[2biguns]

[QUOTE=RedDog]OK, here's the quiz - Why was the date of May 1 picked for this demonstration?


May Day?

[Greg K]

[QUOTE=RedDog]OK, here's the quiz - Why was the date of May 1 picked for this demonstration?
May Day?
Born from the communist manifesto...
Every year, the ruling classes around the world are again reminded of their vulnerability and of the power of their gravediggers. On May 1, the world working class displays its strength in demonstrations and strikes. May Day International Workers' Day is a reminder to the ruling classes that their days are numbered.
May Day is embraced by millions of workers in every country of the world as a day to raise its class demands. Its strength has been in raising demands not just of workers in a particular factory or industry, but of the working class as a whole. The demands of May Day for the eight-hour day, for unity against racism and national chauvinism, against imperialist war are demands of the working class against the entire capitalist class.

For that reason, May Day International Workers' Day haunts the bankers and corporate barons as much as it inspires the millions of workers who observe it. It is the day when workers take their place in the class army that will one day unseat their masters.

Above the clenched fists and red flags of the assembled ranks of workers are the last words of August Spies, chiseled in stone on the monument to the Haymarket martyrs: "The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you are throttling today."

[Greg K]

And another quote from the facsists of society...
"May Day--the day which inspires fear in the hearts of the capitalists and hope in the workers--the workers the world over--will find the Communist movement this year stronger in the U. S. than at any time in its history.... The road is clear for greater achievements, and in the United States as elsewhere in the world the future belongs to Communism."
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[RedDog]

Bigguns wins first but Greg really nails it. The following is a letter to the editor I wrote for my local news paper. It hasn't been published - it is either too non-PC or hopefully it is being held for publishing after the demonstration?

I read your Tuesday April 11, 2006 article on the illegal immigrant demonstrations with much interest. However, I found the article to be rather sparse on the background on the organization of this series of nationally occurring demonstrations. The answer is ANSWER – the Act Now to Stop War & End Racism Coalition. ANWSER is a far left-wing political organization that hates American ideas and has close ties to the Communist Party. Many of ANSWER's leaders were members of Workers World Party (WWP) at the time of ANSWER's founding, and are current members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a Marxist-Leninist organization that formed in 2004. Their own web site lists the following organizations as its steering committee: IFCO/Pastors for Peace, Free Palestine Alliance - U.S., Haiti Support Network, Partnership for Civil Justice – LDEF, Nicaragua Network, Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines, Korea Truth Commission, Muslim Student Association – National, Kensington Welfare Rights Union, Mexico Solidarity Network, Party for Socialism and Liberation, Middle East Children's Alliance. All of this begs a couple of questions: Why is a communist organization promoting citizenship for illegal aliens? Do the illegal aliens understand how there cause is being manipulated by an organization whose primary intent is to undercut the very country the illegal aliens wish to join as citizens? I don’t understand how America can even entertain the idea of granting citizenship through amnesty to illegal aliens until our leaders have demonstrated that they can control the borders to protect against further illegal immigration and penalize businesses that break the law by hiring illegal aliens.

see - http://www.internationalanswer.org/
I have been contacting the President's office, my Senators, and Congressman regularly over this issue. If your have a concern over this issue I suggest you do the same. Contact can easily be made through this web site - http://capwiz.com/nyt/home/

[steven s]

If all the illegals don't come to school 90'/. of my school will be missing.:beer: : .Maybe me and all my friends will have all the school to ourselves.

[Carl C]

We have a large Mexican community up here too in Pontiac. This is where a lot of my business comes from and we cater to them. I'm glad May 1 isn't a business day for me anyway.

[pmreed]

My yard guy is here mowing, and I know he's of the Latin-American persuasion. I don't deal with him directly; I deal with his employer. Supposed to be a big rally in downtown Orlando today; I think I'll avoid the area.

Phil

[TuxedoPk]

I'm glad to see the ban on politics has been lifted :)

[SideshowRob]

Heh, Heh.... funny, I was thinking the same thing as I read all this :lookaroun

[joel3078]

I'm glad to see the ban on politics has been lifted :)

Go back to the start and see who authored this thread. Remember, rules are guidlines and will always be broken.

[Carl C]

I just got back from shopping. I spent money at Aco, K-Mart, Boater's World, Costco and Steak n' Shake. If it warms up I'll stick a hundred bucks worth of gas in the boat.:)

[Greg K]

One more thing...if you're making purchases and buying today...
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING MADE IN MEXICO for the rest of the year!!
...in response to the "nothing gringo" messages coming from Mexico. :yes:

[Formula Jr]

I say good and better that most people think this silly.

I just watched a young mother , a US person -someone born here, clean the waste cans of a Corp. building. The argument that "No one wants these jobs - so we need some thing else" is bogus. This has been my opinion and the opinion all the other people I have ever worked with. Some even illegal.

If my life falls apart, I'd like to be able to at least make money cleaning cans. Its my safety net also. I don't want to be in competition for that from some one that isn't here legally. I own my ground. I pay my taxes. I follow the rules - well mostly.....

The "protest" or what ever you want to call it, doesn't go over well, even in the progressive circles I'm a part of.

This may be one place were there is some agreement polictically across the table.

[Woodsy]

OH MY HEAD!! You guys are killing me... does nobody study history?

Lets get mad at the people who leave thier poverty stricken land and try to make a go of it in America?? I thought there was a phrase somewhat related to that inscribed upon the Statue Of Liberty!

SO FREAKIN WHAT IF THEY CAME HERE ILLEGALLY! You do what you gotta do to support your family. Last I checked we are all immigrants! That is unless any of you guys can DIRECTLY trace your lineage back to the Indians or you happen to be a Blue Blood with a DIRECT Lineage to the Mayflower!

America as a nation has a long history with illegal immigrants. There have been wave after wave of immigration from all nations! They have always been here doing the jobs cheaply that traditionally no american citizen has wanted to do, factory workers, fruit pickers, seamstress, the list goes on and on. There used to be signs posted in factories that stated "Irish Need Not Apply" or "Italian Need Not Apply" or any other immigrant group "Need Not Apply"

Good for them that they are exercising their 1st Amendment right to free speech. The constitution guarantees rights for all people in America, not just American Citezens!

If you want to get mad, don't be angry with the immigrant or the illegal! Get mad at the American Businessman who hires them to work cheaply in poor conditions, completely flaunting all of the workplace laws such as minimum wage and workmens comp to make an extra dollar or ten! He is the criminal here... not the poor guy trying to make a living!

As unpopular as ever!

Woodsy

[TBroccoli]

Woodsy, Have them pay taxes, like me. Have them gain citizenship, like friends of mine had to. Have them fill out paperwork correctly. Have them not steal ssn's. Have them spend some of their earnings here in the great country that pays them. Have them pay for insurance like the rest of us. then they are welcome.

[Carl C]

Ohhhhh, Scot, what have you started here? I put $100 in the gas tank today!

[Greg K]

SO FREAKIN WHAT IF THEY CAME HERE ILLEGALLY! You do what you gotta do to support your family. Last I checked we are all immigrants!
America as a nation has a long history with illegal immigrants. There have been wave after wave of immigration from all nations!
As unpopular as ever!
Woodsy
Difference is, the majority of them in the past sought citizenship, to be documented, and follow the procedures and our laws.
Just a few facts as to what's happening out there..
-- "The number of illegal immigrants in the US has more than doubled in the past decade to at least 9,000,000, the population of Massachusetts and Connecticut combined, and the rate is accelerating."
-- "The Center for Immigration Studies has calculated that illegals have already cost American workers $133 billion in salary cuts and job losses. According to a study by the prestigious National Academy of Sciences, illegal immigration combined with the rampant offshoring of US jobs promises to significantly shrink the middle and working class, forcing ever more people into poverty."
-- "Bush claims that Guest Workers do work that legal Americans won't. If that were true, then in the 35 states with few illegals (87 percent of illegals reside in just 15 states), lawns wouldn't get mowed, hotel rooms wouldn't get cleaned, buildings wouldn't get built, and crops wouldn't get picked. In those states, employers simply have to pay a living wage and provide decent working conditions to get people to do that work."
-- "...US law requires that all illegals receive free public education K-12. The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that this costs $7.4 billion dollars each year."
-- "The birthrate among illegals is double that of legal US residents. The Pew Hispanic Center calculates that within seven years, the children of immigrants, legal and illegal, will account for one in nine school-age children in the US. The Urban Institute estimates that already, 15% of all school children in California are illegals, many of whom speak little English. These students are usually mainstreamed in classes with native English speakers. This means that teachers must slow down instruction, denying native English speakers their right to an appropriate-level education."
-- "...Illegal immigrants, coming from poor countries, have great health care needs. And in addition to common diseases, illegals bring challenges not normally faced in the US, for example, 7,000 new cases of leprosy in the past three years came in from Mexico, India, and Brazil, 16,000 new cases of multiple-drug-resistant, incurable, and communicable(!) tuberculosis. The Centers for Disease Control reports that illegal immigrants account for over 65 percent of communicable diseases (TB, hepatitis, leprosy, AIDS, etc.,) in the US. Immigration officials are supposed to screen out immigrants who are carrying diseases, but there is no health screening for illegal immigrants."
-- "The burden of providing health care to illegals extends beyond disease and saving crime victims. For example, because of illegals' high birthrate, in Colorado, which has a mere (?) 100,000 illegal immigrants, taxpayers in 2003 alone paid for 6,000 illegals to have their babies. That's 40% of the births Medicaid paid for in the state. To get immediate care, the illegal only must say "I am undocumented."
-- "The Washington Times reported that dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California have either closed their doors or face bankruptcy because of losses caused by uncompensated care given to illegal immigrants."
-- "Can we ask legal residents to be honest — for example, to pay their income taxes — while, per the Guest Worker program, we reward lawbreaking illegals with legal status, an array of services for themselves and their families, plus full US citizenship for all subsequent offspring? In officially welcoming millions of acknowledged at-least two-time lawbreakers into the US, we would exacerbate America's already declining honesty."
-- "An article in City Journal reports, "In Los Angeles, up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal immigrants. A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County."
-- "One in seven inmates in California state prisons are illegal immigrants, serving time for crimes other than being in the US illegally. California taxpayers alone spend $500 million a year on incarcerating illegals."
-- "Even an illegal alien who has committed murder rarely gets deported! According to statistics from the former Immigration and Naturalization Service and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, 80,000 illegals who have served prison time for felonies including murder, rape, drug smuggling, and armed robberies, are roaming our streets. This is frightening indeed because, according to Bureau of Justice statistics, within three years of prison release, 62% commit another crime."
-- "Peyton Knight, Director of Legislative Affairs for the American Policy Center, a Virginia think tank, writes, "At a time when America is under attack by Islamist holy warriors, the Census Bureau estimates that as many as 115,000 illegal immigrants from Middle Eastern countries are living in the United States."
-- "According to US Census data, immigrants are 75% more likely to use food stamps, medical benefits, and housing assistance at a cost of $68 billion per year. (Compare this with the estimated $84 billion one-time cost of the war in Iraq.)"
-- "(W)hile American-born workers spend most or all of their earnings here in the US, creating more jobs and in turn, more tax revenues, illegals send much of their earnings back to relatives in their native country. For example, according to a study by the Pew Hispanic Center and Inter-American Development Bank, Latino immigrants in 2002, despite the soft economy, sent a record $23 billion to relatives and others in their home countries."
-- "Co-founder of MALDEF, Mario Obledo, to whom President Clinton awarded the U.S. Presidential Medal of Freedom, boasted, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave." He added: "Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years." Jose Pescador Osuna, former Mexican Consul General in Los Angeles, said, "Even though I'm saying this part serious and part joking, I believe we are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California." Past Mexican president Ernesto Zedillo, in 1997, speaking before the national council of La Raza, was not half-joking when he said: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this." And Mexico's current president, Vicente Fox has marched La Reconquista forward by having convinced President Bush to provide legal status for millions of illegals."
Illegal aliens may be good for businesses that want cheap labor and Democrats who want to want to eventually get their votes, but they're bad for America...
This my last post on this topic..

[gcarter]

Woodsy, I'm really surprised at your response.
I think this is still a nation of laws. If we don't like the laws, get them changed.
I listened today to some of the speeches here in Orlando and the concensus is the illegal Mexicans are acting like being here is an entitlement.
Not so!!!
Another group was saying that parts of the SouthWest are really part of Mexico.
This is a dangerous thing. There are some really bad things going on in Mexico today. The border needs to be protected.
Illegal immigration MUST be stopped.

P.S.;
Not ALL parts of the constitution apply to everyone, for instance, non citizens can't vote.

[chappy]

Great thread,
If everyone really wants to learn more, do some research on Mexican immigration laws for their country. Rush Limbaugh did some research on his April 6th radio show about the topic. I did some research, it really raised my eyebrows.:shocking:
Rich

[BUIZILLA]

Welp...

the Dobb's Report doesn't seem too far off track...

and even Ross Perot looks real damm good right now.

JH

[chappy]

I respect the viewpoint of Lou Dobbs. You're correct Buizilla, we always need to listen with an open mind to others, even if they feel differently than we do.
Sincerely,
Rich:smile:

[Formula Jr]

As a matter of fact, I am a decendent of the Mayflower Boston family. The Saffells were here before this was the USA.

If the rest of the world was as lacks as the US was about immigration, I'd shut up. It is'nt. Just try to move to another 1st world country legally and you will know what I mean.

[BUIZILLA]

i'm still waiting on CG's explanation of his history link with the Slapaho's... :biggrin:

[RedDog]

how does this make you feel?

[yeller]

Well I helped you as much as I could from the Canadian side. Ordered and paid for my new Hydro prop today. :wavey:

[goatee]

i agree with cracking down on ilegals. i agree their home life is not as good as life here. i agree they should obey the law and become citizens. i agree they should pay taxes, (i sure do!)
i didnt click on most of the links provided, i dont know most of the facts, or most of whats going on, but i think this is america, i think we speak english here, i know i pay taxes here, and i am sick of people living in the past!!!!

im sick of blacks crying about slavery, im sick of japs whiing about hiroshima,
now its mexicans saying the south west was mexico.
quess what:sombrero: ??? it was!!! key word here being WAS.........
and none of you were alive when it WAS...it is now america, and your not getting it back.
dont cut the grass today, dont do the dishes, i dont care.
quess what? tomorrow,(if you have a job)they will just be that much longer and crustier!!!!:embarasse

hope your day off was worth it.

p.s. werent the pilgrims also immigrants?

[synack]

I gotta say one thing about all this boycott stuff. They should have them more often!

My commute into downtown Chicago is normally about 90-100 minutes. Today, I was cruising all the way down at 70+ as there was NO traffic whatsoever! It was like I was driving at 3AM as the whole trip took less than 40 minutes! Traffic is never this good in the mornings even on public holidays!

[Ed Donnelly]

I did my May 1st. thing too. Bought $800 worth of Harley parts from Eastern Performance in MN and they all spoke English.........Ed

[Woodsy]

I am a moderate republican, and I usually don't think interfering with business is a good idea.

However... The reality of the illegal situation is, Americans are giving them jobs! If nobody hires them, and they can't get a job and make money it elminates the incentive to come here illegally.

Its not that the immigrants want to be illegal! I think the majority of them would take the opportunity to become legal citizens if they could. They are being exploited by AMERICANS, to point AMERICAN BUSINESS OWNERS! They are hired for thier cheap labor. These businesses facilitate the use of fake docs, and pay them cash so its not traceable etc etc. This allows the businesses to make more $$$. Its all about greed!

If businesses stopped hiring illegal immigrants, they would stop coming, or at least slow a bit!

If you want to stop illegal immigration, Make the use of illegal labor a felony and start HEAVILY FINING businesses and people that employ illegal labor. Something to the tune of $50K per illegal, non-negotiable. It is the responsibility of the employer to insure thier employee is legal! Period!

Then again if we do that the cost of our beloved Donzis will go up... English is not the primary language on the production floor.

Woodsy

[Cuda]

It's already a $10,000 fine per ilegal person.

[Reedy]

I am helping sponsor an imigrant who has been here for eight years legally. She has worked her way thru college, payed all her dues, married a friend of mine, and still has seven years to go before she will be a US citizen, fifteen years total. She is doing it by the book, and it is taking half a life time. Who the F do these people think they are breaking the law by coming from Mexico, not doing anything by the book, not paying for jack, and then demanding I let them go to the front of a line that they have not even been in. Maybe it should not be so hard to become a citizen here, but we should in no way let them demand anything from us, especially special treatment for doing everything against the law.

[boldts]

I'm not a political person by any means. In fact, most of the time I worry more about how Numero Uno is going to get by in life.

I do however strongly disagree with our National Anthem being sung in Spanish. If I go to Canada, Mexico, Germany or Iraq, I don't expect those countries to sing their National Anthem in English so I understand it. I learn the langage if I'm planning to stay and live there. Could you imagine a NASCAR race in the South with our National Anthem being sung in Spanish? It would be a lynch mob looking for any person speaking Spanish. How many of you get in an elevator every day going to your office and in there with you are 2 or more people speaking a language other than English? I tell ya after 911, I'm wondering if these people are secretly planning to bomb my work place!

I'm wondering if today everything is just as it was the day before yesterday. All the imagrents show up for work, school, medical attention, etc. this morning expecting to be paid by their employer, taught knowlege or medical issues fixed? You better believe it they did. In the mean time, the people paying for all this isn't the imagrents, its hard working Americans who pay taxes and insurance for medical services to support these people. You say that Americans won't work for the wage the imagrents are working for. It's not because they don't want to, but because if they did, they'd make less than being on welfair and still not be able to support their families at today costs. It's easy for me to complain about a $50 a month increase in my health insurance when my pay was not adjusted to compensate for this increase. Especially if I'm paying for someone who doesn't support my country or want to sing it's National Anthem in English with pride!

[Woodsy]

This is kinda funny... its amazing how narrow minded we are, especially when it comes to our own history...

Some of you probably think the phrase "Under God" should be in our pledge of allegiance!

English is the primary language of America, mainly because the English won most of the wars in our formative years. It was almost French! Anyway, throughout the entire history of America, there have been ethnic neighborhoods, where English was barely spoken at all. Here in New England, specifically Boston, the city is defined by its ethnic neighborhoods, where most often English is not the primary language. We have Southie where Gaelic is still widely spoken (Irish for you non-educated types), The North End, traditional Italian neighborhood where they are proud of thier language and ancestry, Chinatown doesn't need much explanation and the list goes on and on. Go to New Bedford and you will nothing but Portuguese, In Lowell its a mix of the South East Asians. All of these neighborhoods were built by both legal and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! At one point in time or another AMERICAN BUSINESS OWNERS EXPLOITED EVERY ONE OF THE MAJOR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES BY HIRING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

You guys are blaming the immigrant for not doing things exactly legal, when its thier EMPLOYER you should have the issue with. When an EMPLOYER hires an illegal immigrant, without performing due diligence that verifies the person they hired is here legally, they are the ones at fault for this problem. They are the ones undercutting our legal system and burdening our healthcare system. The EMPLOYERS who pay these people less than minimum wage, the EMPLOYERS who don't carry health insurance or workmens comp insurance, the EMPLOYERS who skirt our labor laws to fatten thier wallets at the expense of people who don't know any better and even if they did, its still a better life than what they had! There are many shady business owners that exploit these people. It they who need to be punished severely... not the immigrant!

Woodsy

[Greg K]

OH MY HEAD!! You guys are killing me... does nobody study history?
Good for them that they are exercising their 1st Amendment right to free speech.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/GUESTCOLUMNS/DWYER/IMAGES/DLPests.gifThe constitution guarantees rights for all people in America, not just American Citezens!

I know I said I was done, but...
The laws of American land, including the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, were created for a specific purpose: to protect this nation and to secure its liberty and prosperity. They were supposed to benefit Americans and not to make it easier for all others to grab a piece of our land, our wealth, and our might. And although all men were endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, like life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, no legally binding document entitles them to pursue these on the U.S. territory, unless they are U.S. citizens or were lawfully admitted to this country. We may extend, as a courtesy, some of the rights of the People of the United States on legal immigrants and invited guests, but delegating these rights to intruders, however peaceful, hard working, and needy they might be, is an idiotic idea that only a half-educated moron can come up with.

[harbormaster]

It has gotten larger than the employer exploiting the poor wittle mesican.

Its reached a point where our sothern nieghbor is purposely supporting the violation of our sovereign borders. Do some research on the ranchers who cannot go outside at night because of dangers of the riff raff skipping un impeaded across our southwestern borders. How about the rancher who lost his farm because the ACLU sued him after he fired on mexican who were rustling his cattle.

Along hwy 59 its dangerous to breakdown in the American Southwest between Texas and Arizona because of the Mexicans that come across the border to carjack your car

Woodsy, its real simple for you to sit in your little state way up in the northeastern corner of the US and comment on something I feel you really have no complete grasp of.

I suggest you do some research on how the Mexican government is supporting the wholesale retaking of the American Southwest. I have nothing against Mexico or Mexicans. Texas' rich History is linked to Mexico, it's Southern neighbor. While we Americans whine to each other on how this country was built on immigation. They are laughing their butts off at us.

Read how there is a US town that has made Spanish the official language.

Come to Houston or South Texas and search through the AM radio stations for an english speaking station. It will only get worse.

Its more scary than a marine noise abatement law in a state whose motto is "LIVE FREE or DIE"!

I still love you Woodsy.:biggrin.:

[Woodsy]

I know I said I was done, but...
The laws of American land, including the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, were created for a specific purpose: to protect this nation and to secure its liberty and prosperity. They were supposed to benefit Americans and not to make it easier for all others to grab a piece of our land, our wealth, and our might. And although all men were endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, like life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, no legally binding document entitles them to pursue these on the U.S. territory, unless they are U.S. citizens or were lawfully admitted to this country. We may extend, as a courtesy, some of the rights of the People of the United States on legal immigrants and invited guests, but delegating these rights to intruders, however peaceful, hard working, and needy they might be, is an idiotic idea that only a half-educated moron can come up with.

WOW... so now the U.S. Supreme Court (you know the guys & gals that are appointed to interpret the Constitution) are a bunch of half-educated morons? I guess you know Constitutional law better than they and thier predecessors did?

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that the U.S. Constitution and more specifically the 1st 10 Amendments, also known as the Bill Of Rights (in case anyone else is a half-educated moron) applies to ALL PEOPLE within the borders and territories of the United States Of America! It does not matter if you are a citizen or not, these rights apply equally to all...

Thats why those people held by us in Cuba and elsewhere are labeled Enemy Combatants and not criminals! If they were classified as criminals they would automatically be protected by the U.S. Constitution, and thus be entitled to due process! Because they are labeled Enemy Combatants, they are essentially POW's and are treated accordingly under the 3rd Geneva Convention. This treaty has ALOT less protections than the U.S. Constitution.

The issue here is not that they are entering the country illegally. We know that they are. The question is why? We know that too.. they want to make some $$$ and have a better life than they did in thier native country. In Florida its the Cubans and Haitians, in Texas and California its the Mexicans and other South Americans and up here in the Northeast its the Southeast Asians. The REAL problem is that AMERICANS are giving them jobs! Until you stop AMERICAN BUSINESS from hiring illegal immigrants, the incentive for people to cross the border illegally is still there.

If illegal immigration is so important to Texas and other Southwest states why aren't thier stricter labor laws requiring positive id and proof of citizenship? Why isn't isn't the border being guarded by the Texas National Guard with orders to shoot on sight? Or even better, if it is such an important issue why isn't the border being guarded by the U.S. Army?

It all boils down to $$$... it always does! American Business wants CHEAP labor! Cheaper to let them in and send a few back than to guard the border....

Woodsy

[DonziJon]

I've been sitting here for the past half hour or so just staring up at the ceiling trying to come up with some "brilliant" solution to this problem.. The one common denominator between the various points of view here is obvious: It's FRUSTRATION. Neither side has a "realistic" way to solve the "Illegal" problem.

How DO you positively identify someone??? What piece of paper can someone produce to identify themselves....positively?? How many "Real Americans" can PROVE they are "Real Americans" beyond all doubt?? A birth certificate? A drivers licence? A DD 214 (discharge) from the US Military? It's all very easy to fabricate...especially today with computer technology and a $100 printer. :bonk: Where did I hear this recently?..... "Who's Your Daddy?" Even "Real Americans" sometimes have a problem with this Politically Incorrect question. John

[Greg K]

WOW... so now the U.S. Supreme Court (you know the guys & gals that are appointed to interpret the Constitution) are a bunch of half-educated morons?
Yes...Our judges and lawyers may need to be reminded of this. After all, they are here for our convenience and not for the convenience of the intruders.
And it is them who ignore the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the U.S. (as if it were a meaningless ornament of speech) in order to perpetuate the idiotic practice of awarding the American citizenship to millions of children of illegal aliens.
So those born to illegals have benefited from a twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment by the federal courts that bestow American citizenship on anyone born in the U.S., regardless of whether that person was "subject to the jurisdiction [of the United States]" or not as if it was a birthright of an alien to become an American citizen and not a discretionary gift of the American people.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that the U.S. Constitution and more specifically the 1st 10 Amendments, also known as the Bill Of Rights (in case anyone else is a half-educated moron) applies to ALL PEOPLE within the borders and territories of the United States Of America! It does not matter if you are a citizen or not, these rights apply equally to all...
I disagree..there is no such thing as a God-given right of a human being to immigrate to America or, except for naturally born or naturalized citizens of the U.S., to enjoy the benefits of citizenship thereof and equal treatment under the Bill of Rights.
It wasn't until 14th Amendment became a law on July 9, 1868, when the notion of citizenship was properly defined. Taking this into account, it's inconceivable how a reasonable person, never mind a U.S. judge, a doctor of law, or a constitutional scholar, might insist that "the People of the United States" refers to everybody who legally or otherwise managed to put his foot on American soil then and today, and not to U.S. citizens as it does now. After all, those to whom "the People of the United States" clause of the U.S. Constitution referred to all died long time ago.
So I submit that..The Supreme Court (by ruling) or the Congress of the United States (by passing a legislation) needs to confirm that the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes American-born children of guest workers and illegal aliens from the automatic obtaining of American citizenship as they are subjects of their foreign governments. This clause should and never apply to children of persons who were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S., and this, quite obviously, should exclude persons illegally in this country.

[DonziJon]

"So I submit that..The Supreme Court (by ruling) or the Congress of the United States (by passing a legislation) needs to confirm that the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes American-born children of guest workers and illegal aliens from the automatic obtaining of American citizenship as they are subjects of their foreign governments. This clause should and never apply to children of persons who were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S., and this, quite obviously, should exclude persons illegally in this country."

This I agree with. (AND: It's a New World.) Probably a stretch to "Get er Done" though.


How about people start THINKING.....as opposed to "FEELING"?? I can reach into my pocket anytime and FEEL....if you get my drift. C'mon people: Let's start THINKING of a real solution, instead of whining and feeling. Let's try looking for "WORKABLE". John

[harbormaster]

This thread is an interesting read. Lets continue to keep this benign and adult. Who knows? We might be able to send our solution to our politicians.

[Donzi Kat]

I agree with all on here. The employers are to blame" sometimes" but the numbers way outway everything up here in Washington State to blame the employers. If you are gonna be here make it legal and do it right. If you don't then go home.:kaioken: :kaioken: :kaioken:

[TuxedoPk]

Jobs in Mexican 'college aged tourism' will likely keep some of the illegals employed south of the border once their new drug bill is signed into law decriminalizing personal posession of everything from marijuana to heroin.

What is about to pass will make most liberals from Oregon even sit up and say 'Jeez'.

[Chili 18]

So does this mean it is legal to buy and sell small quantities? Or just to poses it. Will Tijuana be like Amsterdam?

[TuxedoPk]

The law will decriminalize posession of 'quantities for personal use' of a variety of drugs but not act of selling drugs. Here's a short article that sumarizes what's taking place:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/3835402.html

[Greg K]

It won't pass...
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-05-04T025459Z_01_N03199061_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MEXICO-DRUGS-COL.XML&archived=False

[TuxedoPk]

I saw that late last night- this is a good thing. While I believe that regulating high fructose corn syrup would do more to protect people's health than marijuana, this bill was so far over the line as to be rediculous. I for one am happy to see that it is unlikely to become law.

[Formula Jr]

We haven't addressed the more fundimental question.

What is your citizen's concept of a Nation?

What is a mega Corp's concept of a Nation?

They are not the same.

They are in conflict, and you are losing.

Actually, you are not even in the contest.

Of a number of things, there are three that we should study deeper than what the national debate has allowed.

1. That we can't deport 8 million people.
Why not?

2. That Illegal immigrants do work that NO ONE else will.
Who says?

3. That it is in OUR national interest to address this problem in a certain way. Who is the "OUR" when this statement is being made? Hint, it isn't you.

[RedDog]

We haven't addressed the more fundimental question.
What is your citizen's concept of a Nation?
What is a mega Corp's concept of a Nation?
They are not the same.
They are in conflict, and you are losing.
Actually, you are not even in the contest.
Of a number of things, there are three that we should study deeper than what the national debate has allowed.
1. That we can't deport 8 million people.
Why not?
2. That Illegal immigrants do work that NO ONE else will.
Who says?
3. That it is in OUR national interest to address this problem in a certain way. Who is the "OUR" when this statement is being made? Hint, it isn't you.

Perceptive perspective FJR. Its amazing that those of us of us with totally divergent political perspectives can see the issue in the same way but OUR LEADERSHIP form BOTH sides of the aisle are nothing more that pandering pus***s.

[gcarter]

I grew up in Texas, and because of that, I have spent many vacations in Mexico.
I believe Mexico is one of the most beautiful countries in the Western hemisphere. The citizens are extremely industious.
It's obvious there are some very serious systemic problems there.
Mexico has the potential of being the Taiwan of Central America, but it isn't. There just doesn't seem to be the governmental will to make the structural changes to open the doors to the possibility of full employment.
Take for instance the government owned oil company Pemex. Back in the '30's, the government of Mexico in one of its socialist fits nationalized our oil companies located there. Over the generations since, Pemex has become one of the most bloated burocracies in the country. It could probably be generating two to three times the income it is, but to do so would require opening up ownership to "non Mexicans". Probably that will never happen.
There are many other such examples. The greed and graft in every level of government almost guarantees the status quo.

[pmreed]

Not to stir the pot any, but let me stir the pot.
How to Destroy America (http://usawakeup.org/HowToDestroyAmerica.htm)

Phil