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Hi all;
I understand that most Donzi owners do not leave their boats in the water. I live on long island sound & I live on the water. I do not want to have to put my new boat in the water every time I use it. I want it to live on my dock. I know about fresh water flushing, electrolisis etc. I own 2 boats yards so I tend to always own a few boats. But, this is my first Donzi. As for painting the bottom, any advice on the type of paint & do you paint to the water line or to the boot stripe. There has to be someone out there that keeps their boat in the water. Also I want to make sure that the paint I use is legal in lakes so I can go to different events. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you. Sue
roadtrip se
02-16-2006, 09:19 AM
There has got to be a davit system, hydrohoist, drive on float, or some other lift that will work for your application. Painting the bottom of a performance boat will dramatically change its performance capabilities and your ability to sell it later should you chose to do so.
Good luck with your new Donzi!
mrfixxall
02-16-2006, 09:32 AM
What roadtrip said,, you need to take some of that money your making from the boat yards and buy your self a boat lift and write it off under the bizzzzz....
good luck
mcd
need for speed
02-16-2006, 09:42 AM
DON'T do it... A Donzi is not for bottom paint... Buy a lift , trailer, take it in and out every 5 days .. but don't paint it...
just what i think:confused:
If you must paint it use hard Pettit epoxy read the can, you need tin based. Copper based premotes electrolisis. The hard epoxies last longer then the softer paints which tend to not stay on well on faster hulls.
Phil
Woodsy
02-16-2006, 09:44 AM
Sue...
There have been a few Donzi's for sale here and on other websites that have bottom paint, and it drastically reduces your resale... not to mention knocks 5-7 MPH off your speed.
Please don't paint the bottom.... you will ruin the resale of your boat. Get a lift of some sort, it will keep the boat nice and it will be ready to go when you want.
Woodsy
need for speed
02-16-2006, 09:48 AM
Please Don't -such a nice boat...
How much will effect the performance?
I never had a boat lift before. How much do they usually run & where do I go to get one. My yards do not do ANY high performance boats, & the people that work there would probably not be the best to ask these questions.
RedDog
02-16-2006, 09:49 AM
How much does a lift cost? How much does the initial bottom paint + recurring cleaning and repainting + lost value cost?
http://www.boatlift.com/faq/
http://www.boatlift.com/lift/ultra_lift.php
need for speed
02-16-2006, 09:54 AM
call a dock company for a lift or if you have a place for it get a lift like a shore station that goes in and out in summer.... if they use those in your area or all else fails get a hydra hoist they float and u can get away with no permit if they call for those things...
Painting a bottom on a boat that has never been painted takes allot of hours to do it properly. Since it is my own yard it would not cost that much. I am more concerned about performance & resale value if I did decide to sell it.
mrfixxall
02-16-2006, 10:04 AM
How much will effect the performance?
I never had a boat lift before. How much do they usually run & where do I go to get one. My yards do not do ANY high performance boats, & the people that work there would probably not be the best to ask these questions.
First question is how deep is the water ware you dock your boat??
Most lifts that sit in the water only have legs that go down 5-8 feet in the water..Some models have a option with longer legs but not too stable when their boat is on it...
If the water in more then 10 feet i would get the rubber bladder style that you float your boat on and you fill the bladder with air and picks the boat out of the water....
what ever you decide to buy make sure it has all stainless steel hardware including the cable
Try floeinternational.com
http://www.floeintl.com/boat_lifts/vertical_boat_lift_systems.html
http://www.tigerboatdocks.com/liftf.htm
I guess I will have allot of research to do on a lift. The outer part of my dock is about 16 to 18' at high tide. The inner part of my dock has about 8' of water but if is a bit shallow getting to it. As someone said, you do not want to do any dredging the DPX drive that I have, so I would much prefer to keep the boat where there is plenty of deep water getting to my dock.
Morgan's Cloud
02-16-2006, 11:02 AM
Sue ,
I too live in the real world and have to keep my boat overboard also.
PM me for factual information without the scare tactics :D
Steve
RickSE
02-16-2006, 11:18 AM
Blueliner in Vancouver, BC has a really cool lift for his 22. I don't remember the manufacturer but it floats in his slip, you just drive over it, hit the up button and it hinges up lifting the boat from the bottom. His boat is on the lift year round. If interested look him up under a search for Blueliner. Here's the only picture I have.
roadtrip se
02-16-2006, 12:39 PM
Sue ,
I too live in the real world and have to keep my boat overboard also.
PM me for factual information without the scare tactics :D
Steve
What will be scary is the loss of speed and the dollars evaporating from the value of your beautiful and unique Volvo Donzi as the paint goes on.
I have utilized Boatfloater and Hydrohoists in my boating days. Some with very heavy performance boats on them. It was simple. I would assume that in salt, you would want to use something that comes up out of the water
like a cradle and davitt system. I imagine many others have systems up there on the Sound similar to this. I would go with what is most popular and convient for service in your area. May be able to find something used too. Typically the cradle is the only real custom piece to a lift system and simple to make up.
I would wager that less than 1% of the 3000 or so registered Donzi nuts here have bottom-painted their boats. See for yourself if you would like. You can put a poll up here and get a fully open response.
Bring that beauty to the 1000 Islands in July. Look forward to meeting you!
Morgan's Cloud
02-16-2006, 01:47 PM
There is a possibility that like me , Sue also lives in a place that pre-empts the use of boat lifts and has little to no trailering facliities.
I do indeed wish that I could pull my boat out after a day in fresh water and park it in my back yard.
However in the big picture 3000 donzi owers represent a drop in the bucket on the worldwide scale and my guess is that 95% of the rest of the world probably does their boating in conditions similar to mine. Otherwise , why would marine chandleries sell so much bottom paint ?
Don't get me wrong .. I still hate the stuff , it just comes down to how you have to do you boating based on geographical realities.
Steve
chappy
02-16-2006, 02:41 PM
I bought an 18 classic that sat moored on the Long Island Sound for ten years. It needed some restoration work. I couldn't afford a new gelcoat job, and had a non fouling white paint job applied. The boat is moored for three months on a fresh water lake. I've held my same top end on gps. The boat is stored indoors for the winter and the hull came clean with a sponge in warm soapy water. Do I need to strip the paint and invest in a new gel coat job to hope to get a reasonable offer if I sell?
Rich
I do not know much about performance boats, but I do know that bottom paint on one is a definite "no no". I see all different types go out every day in the summer. I do have a trailer that came with the boat but if I take it out every time I use it I will very rarely use the boat. I can keep the boat & trailer in one of the yards but it would take so much time to lauch the boat & then to take her out, it would not be worth it. I will be using this boat alone 99% of the time & I have plenty of experience trailering from when I lived in Florida & from being brought up with all different types of boats but the way things are around here, especially going out alone, it just would not be worth the time. I am very lucky to live on the water and also spoiled in reference to being able to just go down to my dock & go out when ever. I am going to look into the lifts & see if it is an option here. If it is, it will solve the problem. But if it turns out that the lifts are not an option, I am going to have to paint the bottom & I want to make sure it is done the exact way that it should be (also it has to be done white).
If you must paint it use hard Pettit epoxy read the can, you need tin based. Copper based premotes electrolisis. The hard epoxies last longer then the softer paints which tend to not stay on well on faster hulls.
Phil
Many years ago when I was actively selling boats, I remember Tabor Yacht Sales very well. My maiden name is McMichael. Do you remember working with McMichael Yachts? I think we did allot of deals together if you are the Phil that I remember. Let me know. Sue
Many years ago when I was actively selling boats, I remember Tabor Yacht Sales very well. My maiden name is McMichael. Do you remember working with McMichael Yachts? I think we did allot of deals together if you are the Phil that I remember. Let me know. Sue
Thats me just older and greyer, but not a racing rag bagger anymore! I keep in touch with Joan all the time.
Phil
I don't think it's much of an exageration to say that putting bottom paint on your beautiful boat will cut it's value in half. I bought two boats that were bottom painted, and I NEVER would again.
ZaneDonzi
02-17-2006, 01:44 AM
So what if i bought a boat that was already painted in the bottom... How can i fix this "mistake"?
How do i know if the boat i just bought is painted in the bottom?
Thanx:smile:
need for speed
02-17-2006, 06:15 AM
If it is ,you willl seee paint on the bottom... not a shiny gel anymore.
ZaneDonzi
02-17-2006, 08:37 AM
So if i sand the whole thing to get rid of the paint then gel coat the whole boat again... will that take care of all the negative things said here about painting the bottom?
Thanx again :cheers:
Morgan's Cloud
02-17-2006, 10:36 AM
keep in mind she will have a much broader audience here when she goes to sell it.. We paid considerably less for ours than it was worth, mainly due to the bottom paint...
Absolutely true , and something I have'nt lost sight of. As I once said elsewhere , would'nt it be great to advertise and find you had a bunch of prospective buyers who intended to also leave the boat in the water .. then it would be worth more ! !
I have made it clear to Sue that painting is a last resort but like you said , ya gotta be practical based on your own circumstances.
BTW, I know it's a terrible job but do you think the time/effort involved in stripping the bottom offset the difference in price caused by the paint in the first place ?
Steve
DonziJon
02-17-2006, 03:43 PM
Besides the OBVIOUS pleasures of owning a Donzi, ...It's Sound, It's Looks, etc. My GREATEST pleasure is every spring when I DON"T have to sand and paint the bottom. I owned sailboats for twenty five years that were kept in salt water for six months out of the year. Painting the bottom of a boat with "Anti-Fouling" paint is NOT a one time thing. You do it EVERY spring. To do it right, you do it by hand with 100 grit wet/dry sandpaper. You remove 90 percent of the paint every year and repaint.
Most people don't do it the right way. They just keep laying on more paint every year. Power boats are the most difficult to work on because they are close to the ground. The trailer gets in the way. The wooden blocks get in the way. So picture yourself lying on your back in the mud under the boat, with toxic paint residue running down your arm into your face. The only way to sand and paint a Donzi would be with the boat hanging on a hoist.
Dry sanding with power, requires you to wear a "HazMat" suit with a resperator. If this all sounds like fun...EVERY year...Have fun. Does this sound cynical??? You bet. Take it from someone who did it for 25 years....and I was lucky: It was a deep keel sailboat, I could almost stand up under the boat while sanding. The boot stripe was six feet above ground.
Sorry to get so exited. :lookaroun Fortunatly, I have a Donzi now and don't need to paint the bottom. I've got a trailer that makes painting quite unnecessary. DJ
maddad
02-17-2006, 08:51 PM
Instead of leaving my boat in the water all the time,I put it in for 2 or 3 days at a time.Windows of nice weather,free time,almost any excuse will do.No bottom paint and it wipes clean with a hose and rag.If your dock is nearby,and your launch spot too,that may work for you and keep bottom paint off that nice boat.
On one boat, I scraped and scraped the bottom paint off, then rented a pressure washer with a sand blasting attachment to finish it off. It's tricky on the corners not to get through the gel coat. It was then pretty rough, and required sanding. I got pretty sick scraping the stuff off.
On the second boat, I took it to have it bead blasted, and they damn near ruined the boat.
I have spoken to allot of people in my area & there are very few boats on any type of lift. I am still trying to find one that would work on my dock. I have a floating dock with anchors holding it in place. We have an average of a 6' tide & during a northeaster it can get pretty bad at my dock. I am still waiting to hear from the guy from hydrohoist in reference to if he has a system that would work for me. If anyone else knows of any other kind of system that would possibly work for my dock, please let me know. Thank you all for the advice. I am trying not to have to paint the bottom. Hopefully I will find something that works that does not cost as much as the boat.
Sue
BUIZILLA
02-18-2006, 12:09 PM
Sue, your hoist expense $$$ will equal your IMMEDIATE vessel depreciation loss $$$, when you paint the bottom. The hoist has later-on market value/usefullness in and of itself.... bottom paint doesn't.
Jim
Dr. Dan
02-18-2006, 12:17 PM
Sue, your hoist expense $$$ will equal your IMMEDIATE vessel depreciation loss $$$, when you paint the bottom. The hoist has later-on market value/usefullness in and of itself.... bottom paint doesn't.
Jim
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bodocks
02-18-2006, 06:57 PM
Thanks for getting me on this great site. I guess we will now be using your Donzi!!!! If you paint the bottom or not, let's hope we both don't end up getting divorced from our spouces.
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