Michael Jackson VERDICT!!!

[Fish boy]

Looks like the jury has reached a verdict on all 10 counts in the michael jackson case. Parties are on their way to the courthouse right now, verdict will be read by the judge sometime between 4:30 and 5:00pm EST today.

[TuxedoPk]

This verdict sure felt different than listening to the OJ verdict. I almost felt a bit of relief that MJ is just one wierd dude, not a molester (Whether this is accurate or not). The OJ verdict was numbing.

One has to wonder what was going thru Scott Peterson's mind as the verdict was read... "Was I the only dumb f@ck to get convicted?"

Do you think MJ will ebay off his confiscated kiddie porn to pay for his legal bills?

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Sitting back and waiting for Matty to chime in on this...

[Fish boy]

One has to wonder what was going thru Scott Peterson's mind as the verdict was read... "Was I the only dumb f@ck to get convicted?"
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LOL. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

As for him being just one weird dude, that is a given, but this does not mean that he is innocent... just not guilty beyond california's version of "reasonable doubt." OJ, Robert Blake, MJ... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :(

[txtaz]

He should have been tried here in Texas. :us-texas: We have a rope and horse with his name on it.
Wes (we don't put up with pedofiles, 3 arrests last week in SA alone....Go Tx Rangers)

[springs]

I have an empty feeling in my stomach. I'm sitting here in disbelief.

[Fish boy]

He should have been tried here in Texas. :us-texas: We have a rope and horse with his name on it.
Wes (we don't put up with pedofiles, 3 arrests last week in SA alone....Go Tx Rangers)
Funny you say that, I have gotten a couple of calls in the last few minutes about the verdict... I just told someone the same thing about texas.

[TuxedoPk]

Darcy, I'm usually right along with you supporting right wing conservatism but..

1.) In this case, I'm having a hard time faulting the 9th district. If anything they allowed in quite a bit of testimony that was pro-prosecution concerning prior allegations of molestation. Many of your accusations might be right in general, but I don't think they applied to this case.

2.) While I believe that pedophiles are the lowest form of scum, and Michael Jackson may be a pedophile, I don't believe that he was guilty of the particular crimes he was charged with. The accuser's family was perhaps the only family in the country that is more dysfunctional than the Jacksons.

Considering that this case came down to credibility, can you actually say that you believe any of the prosecutions witnesses were the least bit credible?

Wes, Perhaps you can shed some light as to why so many pedophiles have chosen in Texas? Do they get some sort of tax break? :outtahere

[Mr X]

Guess he

BEAT IT...........JUST BEAT IT!!

[Cuda]

Like I say, a good lawyer can get Stevie Wonder a driver's license. :(

[Patti]

I know Jamie & I were shocked..we were watching it live and both of us just sat in disbelief as the verdict came in.

I thought he'd at least be found guilty of SOMETHING...http://www.donzi.net/ubb/eek.gif

I really can't believe he got off on all counts..http://www.donzi.net/ubb/mad.gif

[Patti]

He should have been tried here in Texas. :us-texas: We have a rope and horse with his name on it.
Wes (we don't put up with pedofiles, 3 arrests last week in SA alone....Go Tx Rangers)

Amen!

Gotta love Texas http://www.donzi.net/ubb/wink.gif

[Mr X]

He says he loves children.........but why are there no little GIRLS

at Neverland???


Its just not right and does not add up!



Oh yea, and dont forget Robert Blake!

If ya got money......you can get away with ANYTHING!

[Lenny]

OMG , ...

I agree with Darcy :eek: . I knew it was only a matter of time. Even if I do live in the West.

This is sick, I agree, it blew me away.

:(

[Patti]

He says he loves children.........but why are there no little GIRLS

at Neverland???


Its just not right and does not add up!



Oh yea, and dont forget Robert Blake!

If ya got money......you can get away with ANYTHING!

Yep..is what I always thought..why only boys? why only preteen/early teenaged boys..

I did read an article where it was said that females are second class citizens in his world..THAT in itself isnt normal..I dont think that anything about him is normal..

Maybe he didnt do it..I think he did..I guess it's just the mom in me that comes out..I think he should've been found guilty..but thats JMHO :)

[BUIZILLA]

14 verdicts went his way.... :eek:

there must have been a TON of *reasonable doubt* :boggled:

[TuxedoPk]

Patti- Before the verdict I shared your belief that he was going to most likely be found innocent of some charges but guilty of others.

Marcy- Perhaps you are more intimately aware of the facts than I am. Please point out (like I could stop you anyway-lol) where my understanding of the facts is incorrect.

Jackson credible- He didn't testify. How can one take a position on his credibility? Since the decision to take or not take the stand is purely strategic, I don't give or take from his defense by this point.

The prior bad acts- What evidence is there of any prior bad acts? Allegations are allegations and need to be kept in that light. An election to pay someone a rather insignificant amount (in Jackson's position) rather than having to go thru litigation is something one really cant fault him on. If people are going to assume you are guilty if accused (take this case for example), what sense does it make to go thru the cost and emotional expense just to 'clear one's name'?

The man sleeps with little boys- As Eric Cartman would say, "That's F@cked up". But again, as screwed up and sick as it is, that fact alone doesn't mean he molested the victim- it just puts him in a situation where one could say he had the means to do it.

He feeds them wine- No evidence that he did. This would have been an easy conviction for the prosecution if it happened. Why should one believe that this incident ever took place?

He showers with them- Same response as sleeping with them.

I'm in agreement that the complainant and his family's disfunction does not ever excuse molestation. But neither does Jackson's extreme disfunction, wierdness, or sickness necessarily mean he did what he was accused of doing..

Peterson in jail, OJ/Kobe/MJ on the streets, Tiger on the golf course, the Williams sisters on the tennis courts.... No wonder the NHL strike hit us all so hard!

You have no argument that we need to put pedophiles and others who harm our youth away. I just want to make sure that we are don't become so enraged about an allegation or real crime that we give in to our sense to capture and punish before we have fully evaluated whether a person is truly guilty of a crime.

As horrific as it is when a guilty SOB gets off on some technicality, think of the equally or more significant injustice that takes place when passions overide prudence and an innocent person is convicted. One only has to look at the number of cases reversed because of DNA evidence to realize how prevalent this is. Before anyone jumps to the conclusion that I am a bleeding heart liberal, I'm suggesting fully evaluating the facts before convicting. Once properly convicted, I'm for sending them to Texas for execution and would extend the death penalty to rapists and pedophiles as well. And kids who forget their milk money two weeks in a row :)

From what I've heard, I think the press has done a better job prosecuting the case than Attorney General's office. I know it is necessary to fully prosecute these high profile cases but I often wonder if the same resources were deployed differently how many more pedophiles could have been taken off the streets and how many more children could have been spared future abuse.
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There always needs to be an unpopular side to have an intelligent debate

[txtaz]

Rich, I don't think pedophiles have chosen Texas. I think Texas has taken a proactive role to get rid of them more than other states. We have dedicated task forces to lure them in and bust them. They call them sex travelers and they come from all over the world. One last week was from Russia.

"Tax break", more like they get a neck break here and I think we have a clearer understanding of “reasonable doubt”. Just ask the priests and school teachers serving time. WE do not put up with this.
Wes

[TuxedoPk]

I hope everyone knows my comment about pedophiles choosing Texas was only made tongue in cheek. :)

Wes- One of my clients was the New Jersey State Police, High Tech Crimes unit. They were a small (way undersized for their task) group of officers/civilians who were responsible for investigating computer crime, the majority of the cases being pedophiles. I was pretty impressed by their inventory of disks to image suspect's disk drives and amazed at the lack of IT certification they held as credentials present themselves as experts in the courtroom. I was happy to extend them complimentary enrollment in our security courses as they did not have the budget to pay for the necessary tuition.

What type of training resources does TX put into their High Tech law enforcement programs? I sincerely hope that more dollars go into providing this type of training to our law enforcement. On the local level, there is a complete lack of understanding of technology.

[Walt. H.]

If Michael Jackson went to prison look what that would cost, he would have to be put into a protective custody unit know as P C U because can you imagine him surviving in a men prison? :jestera: He'd be someones bitch faster then he could say lick this, I mean beat it!!!!!!!! :biggrin:

I just can't believe he got off with all the privious families that are known he payed hush money to. If only that pet monkey of his could talk!! :smash:

He'll be back again, I doubt the fool has learned he's not above the law or is he? :rolleyes:

[Formula Jr]

I'm glad in a way that MJ was vindicated. It means that rough justice still has no place here. Under the story there is another story, and under that one, another still. MJ is an odd human. That is a given. But no matter how weird he is, he has the freedom to be that weird person. I think he is just weird enough to have not molested anyone. Weird enough not to fit our expectations. And that his molestation just occured in his mind and he pushed the envelope on that. That may be sick, yet still within the bounds of the law. He did us a favor in a cultural way. Pedophilia is on the national mind now. But we have the wrong target. The pedophile is the nice guy down the street with video games or the local celibrate prest. This is why I will not volunteer for anything dealing with kids any more. I've been a summer camp councelor. There is interaction, but not sexual. And yes, its a free for all with the other female councelors - that was nice.
I'm single, no kids. But just anything, any word, could screw me up forever. I fit all the profiles of being a pedophile. I even own a van, live in the county, and have lots of firearms. But my god, i don't want to adjust my life to avoid some sort of witch hunt. Yet I have had to, to some degree.
I left Washington State because, I bought a car. The seller moved, I could not find his address so i did drive around and around. On the way back to the dorms, I was surrounded by five cop cars and people had weapons drawn. I didn't know that that area was being watched. Then I was field interigated and labled a person of interest. And I could have been called up for a line up. It didn't matter that at the time that I was dating the daughter of the head of the anti-terrorist unit of Chicago's FBI. He couldn't do anything, though I suspect some strings were pulled. But I moved to Oregon Anyway after we broke up. Its creepy to have a white card. White Cards are on file forever. And i gave them so much information, cause I didn't know what the hell they wanted or why.
And when the interrigator started asking really weird questions, its a Kaffacaese moment.
So I have some affinity for MJ here. Or anyone nailed with the applicque of child preditor.
Janet Reno personally saw that some innocient people spent ten years or more in jail. I wish this nighmare was over, and maybe i could teach kids how to re-build bikes or something.

[TuxedoPk]

Owen- well said. In today's world of false accusations of all types one really has to question putting themselves at risk.

Our laws need to be changed to make the punishment of false accusation equal to the punishment of the alleged crime. Be it a woman falsely accusing her husband of child abuse during a custody battle, a complaint of sexual harassment in the workforce, or child predators, the number of false complaints is rising out of control.

Without strong prosecution of those making malicious complaints eventually people will stop recognizing these complaints as the serious and heinous acts they are.

[Uncle Fester]

Ex beetch concocted an assult charge on me a year ago when we split. Nothing I could tell the Cops would make them believe me over her. So I got to spend a pleasant night on a rubber mat and the next 12 months and thousands of dollars to clear my name. Meanwhile she walks around with simpathy from others and I'm scowled upon.

Finally behind me now, but I'm out a ton of cash because she lied and made up stories. While nothing happens to her for filing a false report. Do you think the authorities even apologized for my inconvenience? Hell no!!

Why is it that you are guilty until proven innocent in this country? I'm not saying MJ is either, but I wouldn't let him babysit my kids before or after this fiasco simply because he's weird.

[Formula Jr]

Darcy, take it easy, Mat WILL be home soon. OKY.

[TuxedoPk]

Darcy, of course I know what your name is.. it's late and I made a typo.

That said, along with my usual respect for your opinions, I think on this thread you are getting on a soap box to preach the obvious- that pedophilia is a heinous crime, rather than addressing the issues of the case. More importantly, I think you are making a mistake attacking people on the board rather than challenging their positions with fact and reason to win your point. Ok, off my soapbox.

"Jackson's delight of a left-wing NAMBLA lawyer " = It would have been incompetant for his attorney to put him on the stand when the case was already won. Even if Ann Coulter where handling the defense she'd do it in the same way- take each allegation one by one and tear it down. Know when to sit down and rest.

When you consider the success of even just the 47 million copies of Thriller, $20 million is a piss in the bucket. Look at how MJ has spent money on his shopping binges. Granted, I'd be very happy with that piss bucket.

Feeding them wine- "Well, no less than four witnesses attested to this particular fact." It's not the number of witnesses its the quality of the testimony. Perhaps one credible witness to this fact would have convinced the jury where the four who did testify failed to be believable to those hearing the case first hand.

First- I believe it is totally inappropriate for MJ to sleep with kids; if I had a child I'd never allow it to take place. I'd hardly classify myself as a liberal having voted Republican in every election since I was 18.

"Sixth, a witness and the victim himself testified that not only did Jackson sleep with and shower with the vic, but he was performing fellatio on said vic" I think it is more appropriate to call this kid a juvenile scam artist than a victim. I'd prefer to reserve that term for those who truly have been harmed. Bringing the whole MJ and Joe Jackson angle into this is smoke and mirror to conceal the simple fact that the witnesses were not believable. Celebrity or not, I don't believe any one of those jurors would condone molesting a child. To hear someone testify about it happening to them, and then to have it attested to by another witness should be pretty damn strong ammunition. But it wasn't for the simple fact that both witnesses were not believable. The ability to cross examine one's accuser and show the wrongs of their testimony is one of our most sacred rights worth defending.

I'm not disagreeing with you that MJ sure seems like a duck. But that doesn't mean we should throw out our legal system. Whether he was guilty of previous molestation or not, he was not guilty of this particular situation. It was a poor decision for the prosecution to go to trial on these particular charges and for that matter they ran a poor trial (For example they never should have brought forth the imprisonment issue at Neverland and made his mother a key witness) But as poor a trial as they ran, I don't think it would have made a difference if the boy's testimony, and every witnesses testimony was not believed by the jury.

"your position is based upon your discounting the testimony of at least 4 witnesses in this case, not to mention the fact that you all are standing on very weak moral ground." I wasn't there so I'll have to take the opinion of the jurors who listened to the case that these 4 witnesses weren't believable.
As for you comment about board members being on weak moral ground- an uncalled for comment. Personally I really don't care if you've lumped me or singled me out in this group of the immoral, but you're taking away from the quality of your argument by these types of attacts. I very much enjoy the challenge of a good argument with someone intelligent, but they are much more meaningful when conducted at a higher level.

"Shouldn't your sympathies lie with the young boys whom he has abused, raped, molested, fellated...I mean! At what point does reality enter into your liberal viewpoint?" My sympathies lie with those children of any gender who have been abused in any way. They don't lie with some little prick and his mother who make false allegations.

"I hope the sick SOB moves in next door to you!"- I'm too tired to stoop to that level and respond :)

"Further, I have noticed that while you all use Holmes' dissent in Olmstead for some pathetic justification of Jackson's pedophilia"- If you are referring to the 1928 Olmstead v. Unites States case, Holme's didn't write the dissent, it was Justice Brandeis. If you are referring to something else, can you please point it out as I'm failing to understant it at 5am?

"Finally, your sick, liberal, apologist, assertion that my view of the NHL strike has anything whatsoever to do with the plethora of minorities acquitted of heinous crimes is the worst possible example of reverse discrimination I have seen in at least...a day." I'm sorry that you were having a slow day today. Perhaps tomorrow will bring sicker, more liberal, views :) Personally I'm still craving hockey even if it is finally HOT outside.

"What would you say if someone established a new college scolarship program called The United Caucasian College Fund" - Where can I send a donation? In case anyone hasn't read it, check out Martin Mull's "The History of White People in America".. Such incredibly dry humor you are guaranteed to wet yourself reading it.

"What if we had White Entertainment Television? What if there was an association called "The National Association for the Advancement of Caucasion People"? "- I'm all for it. I believe in a fair playing field but what I'm really sick of is this "Anti Male, Anti White Male mentality".

"Maybe he could teach your kids how to open a Coke can...in the shower." - Darcy, I'll chalk it up to you having a bad day or whatever but you're really overstepping the boundry of good taste tonight. Get back to your old self- I miss your wit.

"Ok, so a famous pedophile is acquitted and now you want to arrest his victim???" I was offering up this opinion as to how I believe cases should be handled in general, not specifically to this case. For clarification I'm not suggesting that anyone who loses a case should be prosecuted, I'm suggesting that when there is a clear case of false testimony that the penalties should be escalated to the same level of punishment as the alleged crime. The escalation of punishment would be akin to crimes such as drug dealing that occurs within a school zone.

Have a good night/morning. I hope to continue this debate with you under the rules of "playing nice: tomorrow.

[Formula Jr]

Maybe he could teach your kids how to open a Coke can...in the shower.
I don't get that reference......what are you talking about?

[Sport]

I don't believe that justice was served.

Sport !

[Cuda]

I'm probably going to regret stepping in to this quagmire, but before you label me a left winger, I think John Birch was a commie.





Shouldn't your sympathies lie with the young boys whom he has abused, raped, molested, fellated... .

The court found that these acts didn't happen, and without the rule of law, we are back in the stone age.

[harbormaster]

You know Ted, That IS an interesting point...

If he loves children, where are the little girls?

Is he a Peter Pan wannabee?

[harbormaster]

DARCY,

YOU HAD BETTER CHILL OUT.

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ARE TAKING THIS STUFF PERSONALLY.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION WHERE PEOPLE ARE SHARING THEIR MULTIPLE VIEWS.

THERE MORE VIEWS HERE THAN JUST YOUR'S.

I ENJOY YOUR ARGUMENTS UNTIL YOU START GETTING VICIOUS.

(notice the uppercase? This means compliance is strongly encouraged)

[Woodsy]

The beauty of America is that everyone is protected by our Constitution, the wisdom of the first ten amendments, also known as the Bill Of Rights is staggering. It provides an unwavering guide for individual protections.

We are all entitled to our opinion as guartanteed by the first amendment. We are also guaranteed a speedy trial by an impartial jury of our peers.

In the Micheal Jackson case, an impartial jury (picked by both the prosecution and the defense) found him not guilty of the charges brought against him. While I am no fan of his, I am a firm believer in a trial by jury. I believe they came to the right conclusion based on the evidence and facts the prosecution presented. This goes for OJ, Blake, Peterson, and millions of others who have been charged with a crime and brought to trial. The verdict needs to be based soley on the evidence and facts presented, not by opinion or bias because of the defendants race, religion, creed or lifestyle.

Being a weirdo doesn't make you a child molester, being Muslim doesn't make you a terrorist. We are all guaranteed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

When we as a society get to the point where we denounce our system of justice because they didn't give the "right" verdict based on popular opinion. We as a society are in grave trouble.

The Constitution Of the United States is the is fundementally the most important document we have as a society. The first ten amendments, the Bill of Rights are the most powerful words ever put to paper in history.

Woodsy Von Outboard

[Cuda]

Well said Woodsy.

[TBroccoli]

Wow!! One question. Darcy, were you once Mrs Republican? I feel the same anger in your posts on MJ as Mrs Republican had during the election. I feel sorry for your keyboard. Chill out, enjoy life.

PS how is everyones' boat doing?

Tom

[goatee]

THE FACTS!
he may be a great entertainer, but i am no fan of mj
i was not on the jury, nor in the courtroom.
i did not hear any of the evidence being given by the prosecutor, nor the defense. (as i'm sure go's for most of you too)
as that is the case, what i heard was what was "reported" to me by the media.

lets stop right there for a moment.. i have something else i want to say.

an employee of mine told me about her jury duty just the other day.
cops searching for online preditors,, so,, very similar
the arrests and convitions were coming in at ,, i think it was over 300????
100% conviction rate.
now on her case, they heard testimonial, went to deliberate, and the vote was 9-3 for guilty. (my employee being in the minority)
every word typed on the im was evidence, and it was a STACK!
these people who voted for guilty had not read any of it!
it was right there in black and white, he didnt want to "do" anything. he just wanted to meet her and hang out. it was also very clear throughout the trial , it was the cop who was the agressor. (dont get me wrong on this one) i understand entrapment, and i would give cops a long leash in these circumstances!!!!! but the fact remains through all of this, he was being pushed... again and again.. as a result of her findings and her voice along with 2 others, he was found "not guilty" prosecution lost its first case and he was PISSED. cops were following them to their cars, telling them it was not over and they will regret this.
oh p.s. "she was 17, he was 22. but what does that matter any? right?
its a crime, right? if it were in person would it be a crime? was there intent? maybe..... but there was not a single shred of evidence to prve it.
would he have? maybe. we'll never know.

or was he just some looser that had no friends and was looking online to meet some people?
wheres hyperboy? isnt he like 16/17? what if i met him and he was a cop?
and dont say theres a difference because sex was never mentioned by the accused. should i be locked up for 12 years? because thats what the rest got. and when they finally lost one, they used this "power of authority" to scare them.
prosecutor tans at my salon and she recognized him, thats what brought it up. she claimed he was flirting with her and other girls her age. (she's 22)
when verdict came down, prosecution has a chance to question the verdict, and she claimed he was screaming at her.

one day his credit card did not go thruogh and he was screaming at a different employee, claiming she did it wrong.

im still waiting for him to say something to me. :yes:


anyways 9-3 without ever reading the im's 9-3

all im saying is evidence is evidence, and i've seen none of it.
and 12 years is a long time for any innocent man.
and i respect the job a cop does, it just seems so rare that i respect the man who wears it the same.

[Fish boy]

Woodsy, I agree with everything you wrote in principle, but unfortunately verdicts based solely on the evidence are a rarity in courthouses today. You may disagree with me which is your perogative, but I am basing my opinion on my own first hand experiences with over 100 trials and personal quest to figure out what is going thorugh jurors minds.

Early on, I lost a few trials that I should not have before I realized that simply arguing facts and evidence does not cut it- jurors want to see a show, they want to be entertained. Additionally, too often verdicts are based on the popularity contest between attorneys, not on the facts and evidence. This is pathetic, but it is also reality.

I can give you hundreds of examples, but the one that first made the light bulb go on with me was from a friend of mine. He is bright, has a very successfuly business... and a strong personality (this is important). He had jury duty, and I picked his brain afterwards because I wanted to better undertand what happens in the jury room. He told me "that fat F**k, with the gold rolex and the $2000 suit thought he was hot sh*t... I wasn't giving him anything!" This was one of the attorneys he was describing, not a plaintiff or defendant. First impression was disdain for one of the attorneys, not about the facts of the case. That attorney's client lost BTW. My friend probably does not sound too bright after that quote, but I assure you, he is far brighter than many of the jurors I have come across. That really got me thinking, and unfortunately, this is not the only time I have subsequently heard things along those lines.

Once I began working on the show part of the trial, my success rate went way up. The only difference was that I entertained more and bonded more with the jury starting at jury selection... facts and evidence were pretty much the same, likeability/entertainment factor was the only difference.

Wish trials were just on the facts, but I think the only time you get that anymore is when there is a bench trial and the judge decides the facts. I am a big fan of the jury system and the spirit behind it, but I have seen the reality of it too and it does not always comport with the intent of the framers.

[McGary911]

I admit, I didn't follow this thing at all...I'm not sure what the 9th circuit court had to do with this? That's a federal appeals court, if i'm not mistaken. I would think that this was tried in a cali state court, thus the jury....

I heard one of the jurors this morning on the radio, mention how right away she didnt like one witness (mother of accuser), because she pointed at the jury to make her points.....and that the witness didn't look as nice as she did in her picture. That seemed to be the things the juror figured were most important. That is pretty sad.....Guess it's just another example of what Fish typed about a few posts before this........hopefully we wont have to see this whole thing played out again in a few years with some more kids....

[tangent]

Normally I just read the posts, however I feel I must respond. I noticed from Mrs. Digger's response that she only singled out celebrities of African American descent. I do believe that Caucasian celebrities have been acquitted of charges where the evidence was overwhelming. Eg Robert Blake. I hope this was an oversight on her part and not an example of bigotry. Every time a black celebrity is accused of wrong doing there is a big media circus. however when a white celebrity is in the same position there is not the same level of coverage. From her response she seems to be racially intolerant

[Woodsy]

Fish...

I don't disagree with you at all. I am sure emotion plays a large role in any trial. We are human, and thus we are somewhat swayed by emotion. Thats why the rich defendants hire jury consultants and image consultants etc. If the defendant is a likable guy, he will be much harder to convict. But it still boils down to the facts and evidence of the case. That the jurist didn't like the accuser's mother, tells me that the defense did a better job at ripping her to shreds than the prosecution did of putting her on a pedestal as a cocerned and caring mother who was worried about the welfare of her child. The prosecution has a duty to uphold the law, and try all cases, even the weak ones. The Cali AG's office knew they had a weak case, so they brought in thier biggest hitter. He struck out on all 10 counts.

I am no legal pundit, but I do believe that the jury in the MJ case did not take the child molestation charges lightly. I don't think anyone would take a case like that lightly. The issue is the welfare of a child. There is no sympathy for an accused child molester in any jury. If I were to hazard a guess, I think it would be pretty hard for any accused child molester to get an impartial jury. Its an extremely polarizing issue.

I firmly believe in the trial by jury system. It is up to the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It might not be perfect, as human beings we are fundamentally flawed, it is however the best system in the world.

In this case, the jury didn't believe the witnesses for the prosecution. Result: Not Guilty

Whether he did something or not, we will never know the truth. Is he innocent? Only he really knows. He is however a free man. I highly doubt his career can recover from this, but only time will tell.

Woodsy Von Outboard

[TuxedoPk]

I don't believe it was bigotry. Darcy is equally intolerant of anyone who doesn't share her beliefs reguardless or race, color, gender, or sexually orientation :) Despite her sometimes overly passionate positions, she's good people.

[BUIZILLA]

Yes, it is true, I'm one of those people who believes that if a policeman yells at you to stop, and you don't stop, then he has every right to shoot you.
I have PMS and a keyboard...any questions?nope......

[TuxedoPk]

I have PMS and a keyboard...any questions?

Ok, who had that in the pool? :biggrin:

[goatee]

hello tangent , and welcome to the board!!!!

[olredalert]

--------So Tangent,,,,,,Why dont you fill us in a bit on yourself and your love of DONZIs????? ...........Bill S

[txtaz]

Whether he did something or not, we will never know the truth. Is he innocent? Only he really knows.
GOD knows. He and Jessie Jackson can discuss their indiscretions wherever they end up. I'm sure it won't be on a Donzi... :spit: :spit:
Wes

[blackhawk]

Hmmm, I wasn't going to comment in here cause there's a few too may soapboxes! :rolleyes: But there were also some great points(Woodsy, goatee, formula jr, and many others).

I am only going to say one thing. How many of us were in the courtroom for the whole trial and saw/heard all the evidence? To blow a gasket over this verdict when we have only seen and heard what the media wants us to see and hear is totally ignorant! I will now step down from my own soapbox. :D

[tangent]

I live in the Bahamas. I currently own a 1980 Formula 233 sport deck (Long deck version) I converted to an outboard about a year ago. I am currently in the middle of replacing the stringers and floor (Professional, and I use the term loosely, who i paid to replace transom said the stringers were OK. I saw that my fuel tank was shaking when I got a second opinion the stringers were shot.) I decided to do a major overhaul stringers, floor, fuel tank, and painting. I hope to one day own a ZX (Anything 28 and over).

[Donzi Kat]

Blackhawk I soo agree, I feel that if you weren't there how can you judge? I still feel as strong as most on here but I to was reluctant to "pipe" in. And Tuxedo I was in on that poll, so what do I win????:idea: :idea: