Texas to Vancouver BC

[thriller]

My wife and I have finally decided to purchase the fifth wheel of our dreams. Problem is it is way down south in Texas:eek!: The deal is the guy wants to sell the whole package..fifth wheel and Ford F-350 2WD Crew Cab:p ..

So we figure fly in to San Antonio....buddy picks us up at the airport....we spend a day going over everything...agree on final price........then hook up and go....

If the mechanical and inspection don't pan out...we simply fly home..........next day...

But now I'm looking at the shortest most direct route home and wife says let's go to Vegas:beer: ...As I have never taken this route before I thought some of you may have some ideas or directions...must see advice sort tof thing..I'm figuring taking a week to 10 days to complete the trip???I am a little hesitant of the mountain ranges but with the Turbo Diesel I figure aaahhhh we can do it???

Any advice?

Mike/Chris/Braeden 5 yr old:biggrin.:

[BUIZILLA]

I can handle the hop-up stuff, no mountain will be a victim when I get done...

Jim

[txtaz]

This was just a quicky to give you an idea:

Time Mile Instruction For Toward
Summary: 2418.6 miles (4 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes)
DAY 1
9:00 AM 0.0 Depart San Antonio on Graham St (West) 131 yds
9:00 AM 0.1 Turn RIGHT (North) onto S Santa Rosa St 0.3 mi
9:01 AM 0.3 Turn LEFT (West) onto W Commerce St 0.1 mi
9:02 AM 0.5 Turn RIGHT (North) onto N San Saba St 0.3 mi
9:02 AM 0.8 Continue (North) on Ramp 0.2 mi I-10
9:03 AM 1.0 Merge onto I-10 [US-87] (North-West) 514.4 mi
5:00 PM 515.4 End of day
DAY 2
9:00 AM 515.4 Stay on I-10 [US-80] 75.5 mi
9:51 AM 571.6 Entering New Mexico
10:09 AM 590.9 At I-10 Exit 145, turn off onto Ramp 0.6 mi
10:10 AM 591.5 Merge onto I-25 (North) 227.2 mi
1:41 PM 818.6 Turn off onto Ramp 0.6 mi I-40 / Grants
1:42 PM 819.3 Merge onto I-40 (West) 137.9 mi
3:49 PM 957.2 At I-40 Exit 20, turn off onto Ramp 0.2 mi
3:49 PM 957.3 Turn RIGHT (North) onto US-666 [SR-264] 58.7 mi
5:00 PM 1016.0 End of day
DAY 3
9:00 AM 1016.0 Stay on US-666 32.8 mi
9:39 AM 1048.8 Continue (North) on US-64 [US-666] 0.9 mi
9:40 AM 1049.7 Turn LEFT (North) onto US-666 21.7 mi
9:58 AM 1065.0 Entering Colorado
10:06 AM 1071.4 Continue (North) on US-160 [US-666] 19.7 mi
10:30 AM 1091.1 Continue (North) on US-666 [HWY-160-666] 60.3 mi
11:22 AM 1134.3 Entering Utah
11:42 AM 1151.4 Turn RIGHT (North) onto US-191 [N Main St] 85.6 mi
1:25 PM 1237.0 Turn LEFT (West) onto Ramp 0.2 mi
1:25 PM 1237.1 Merge onto I-70 [US-191] (West) 23.7 mi
1:47 PM 1260.9 At I-70 Exit 156, turn off onto Ramp 0.6 mi
1:47 PM 1261.4 Bear RIGHT (North-West) onto US-6 [US-191] 127.4 mi
4:21 PM 1388.8 Bear RIGHT (North) onto Ramp 0.3 mi I-15 / Salt Lake
4:21 PM 1389.0 Merge onto I-15 (North) 36.2 mi
4:55 PM 1425.2 Turn off onto Ramp 0.2 mi
4:55 PM 1425.4 Merge onto I-15 (North) 3.3 mi
4:58 PM 1428.7 Turn off onto Ramp 1.1 mi
5:00 PM 1429.8 End of day
DAY 4
9:00 AM 1429.8 Stay on Ramp 0.7 mi
9:00 AM 1430.5 Merge onto I-215 (West) 16.8 mi
9:16 AM 1447.3 Turn off onto Ramp 0.7 mi I-15
9:17 AM 1448.0 Merge onto I-15 (North) 65.7 mi
10:17 AM 1513.7 Continue (West) on I-84 428.8 mi
10:56 AM 1555.8 Entering Idaho
3:16 PM 1831.6 Entering Oregon
5:00 PM 1942.5 End of day
DAY 5
9:00 AM 1942.5 Stay on I-84 [US-30] 77.5 mi
10:12 AM 2020.0 At I-84 Exit 188, turn off onto Ramp 0.2 mi
10:12 AM 2020.2 Bear RIGHT (North) onto US-395 [Umatilla Stanfield HWY-54] 12.3 mi
10:27 AM 2032.6 Bear LEFT (North-West) onto Ramp 0.1 mi
10:27 AM 2032.7 Bear LEFT (West) onto US-395 [Columbia River HWY-2] 0.6 mi
10:28 AM 2033.3 Turn RIGHT (North) onto Ramp 0.1 mi
10:28 AM 2033.4 Merge onto I-82 [US-395] (North) 132.9 mi
10:29 AM 2034.3 Entering Washington
12:31 PM 2166.4 At I-82 A Exit, turn off onto Ramp 0.9 mi
12:33 PM 2167.2 Merge onto I-90 [US-97] (West) 108.0 mi
Reconstruction near Issaquah (WB) from 1/7/2005 to 6/30/2005
2:13 PM 2275.2 At I-90 Exit 2C, turn off onto Ramp 1.1 mi I-5 / Vancouver B.C.
2:14 PM 2276.3 Merge onto I-5 (North) 111.2 mi
4:00 PM 2387.5 Entering British Columbia
4:00 PM 2387.5 Continue (North) on HWY-99 9.4 mi
4:11 PM 2396.9 Continue (West) on Ramp 0.3 mi HWY-91 / Annacis Hwy. / New Westminster
4:12 PM 2397.2 Continue (North) on HWY-91 [Annacis Hwy] 12.3 mi
4:25 PM 2409.5 Continue (West) on Ramp 0.4 mi Knight St / Vancouver
4:25 PM 2409.8 Continue (North) on Knight St 4.8 mi
4:32 PM 2414.6 Bear LEFT (North-West) onto HWY-1A [HWY-99A] 2.4 mi
4:36 PM 2417.1 Turn LEFT (West) onto Ramp 0.2 mi HWY-1A / HWY-99A / HWY-99 N / City Centre
4:36 PM 2417.2 Continue (West) on HWY-1A [HWY-99A] 0.8 mi
4:38 PM 2418.0 Turn LEFT (South-West) onto Howe St 0.1 mi
4:38 PM 2418.1 Continue (South-West) on HWY-99 [Howe St] 0.2 mi
4:39 PM 2418.4 Turn RIGHT (North-West) onto Smithe St 0.2 mi
4:40 PM 2418.6 Continue (North) on Haro St 43 yds
4:40 PM 2418.6 Arrive Vancouver

SUMMARY
Driving distance: 2418.6 miles
Trip duration: 4 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes
Driving time: 39 hours, 40 minutes

[txtaz]

With Las Vegas:

Time Mile Instruction For Toward
Summary: 2683.7 miles (5 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes)
DAY 1
9:00 AM 0.0 Depart San Antonio on Graham St (West) 131 yds
9:00 AM 0.1 Turn RIGHT (North) onto S Santa Rosa St 0.3 mi
9:01 AM 0.3 Turn LEFT (West) onto W Commerce St 0.1 mi
9:02 AM 0.5 Turn RIGHT (North) onto N San Saba St 0.3 mi
9:02 AM 0.8 Continue (North) on Ramp 0.2 mi I-10
9:03 AM 1.0 Merge onto I-10 [US-87] (North-West) 514.4 mi
5:00 PM 515.4 End of day
DAY 2
9:00 AM 515.4 Stay on I-10 [US-80] 463.0 mi
9:51 AM 571.6 Entering New Mexico
12:24 PM 736.0 Entering Arizona
4:13 PM 978.4 Turn off onto Ramp 0.8 mi I-17 / Flagstaff
4:14 PM 979.2 Merge onto I-17 [US-60] (West) 5.4 mi
4:19 PM 984.6 Turn off onto Ramp 1.0 mi I-10 / Los Angeles / Central Phoenix
4:20 PM 985.5 Merge onto I-10 [Papago Fwy] (West) 17.6 mi
4:36 PM 1003.2 At I-10 Exit 124, turn off onto Ramp 0.3 mi Cotton Lane
4:37 PM 1003.5 Turn RIGHT (North) onto N Cotton Ln 1.2 mi
4:38 PM 1004.7 Turn RIGHT (East) onto SR-303 Loop [W Thomas Rd] 14.4 mi
4:55 PM 1019.0 Turn LEFT (North-West) onto US-60 [W Grand Ave] 3.6 mi
5:00 PM 1022.6 End of day
DAY 3
9:00 AM 1022.6 Stay on US-60 [W Grand Ave] 24.7 mi
9:29 AM 1047.3 Turn RIGHT (North-West) onto US-93 [N Tegner St] 107.4 mi
Resurfacing between Wikieup and Cedar from 6/11/2004 to 5/27/2005
11:38 AM 1154.7 Continue (North) on Ramp 0.5 mi
11:39 AM 1155.2 Merge onto I-40 [US-93] (West) 22.2 mi
11:59 AM 1177.5 At I-40 Exit 48, turn off onto Ramp 153 yds
11:59 AM 1177.5 Bear RIGHT (West) onto US-93 [W Beale St] 78.7 mi
1:24 PM 1248.2 Entering Nevada
1:34 PM 1256.3 Bear RIGHT (South) onto Local road(s) 54 yds
1:34 PM 1256.3 Bear RIGHT (South-West) onto US-93 [Nevada Hwy] 2.5 mi
1:37 PM 1258.8 Continue (West) on Ramp 0.6 mi US-95 / Searchlight / Needles
1:38 PM 1259.4 Continue (West) on US-93 [US-95] 2.9 mi
1:41 PM 1262.3 At US-93 Exit 56B, continue (West) on I-515 [US-93] 18.7 mi
2:04 PM 1281.0 At I-515 Exit 75, turn off onto Ramp 0.3 mi Las Vegas Blvd / Downtown LV
2:05 PM 1281.3 Merge onto SR-604 [N Las Vegas Blvd] (South) 0.3 mi
2:06 PM 1281.6 Turn RIGHT (West) onto E Ogden Ave 0.4 mi
2:08 PM 1282.0 Continue (West) on S Grand Central Pkwy 0.8 mi
2:10 PM 1282.8 Turn RIGHT (West) onto Alta Dr 153 yds
2:10 PM 1282.9 Turn RIGHT (North) onto Local road(s) 164 yds
2:10 PM 1283.0 At Las Vegas, return South on Local road(s) 164 yds
2:11 PM 1283.1 Turn RIGHT (West) onto Alta Dr 0.2 mi
2:12 PM 1283.3 Turn LEFT (South) onto S Martin Luther King Blvd 0.5 mi
2:14 PM 1283.8 Turn LEFT (East) onto SR-159 [W Charleston Blvd] 0.1 mi
2:15 PM 1283.9 Turn LEFT (North) onto S Grand Central Pkwy 0.1 mi
2:15 PM 1284.1 Bear RIGHT (North-East) onto Ramp 0.3 mi I-15
2:16 PM 1284.4 Merge onto I-15 (North) 174.8 mi
3:31 PM 1366.1 Entering Arizona
3:58 PM 1395.4 Entering Utah
5:00 PM 1459.1 End of day
DAY 4
9:00 AM 1459.1 Stay on I-15 231.2 mi
Rehabilitation near Wheatgrass (NB) from 7/1/2004 to 7/29/2005
12:33 PM 1690.3 Turn off onto Ramp 0.2 mi
12:33 PM 1690.5 Merge onto I-15 (North) 3.3 mi
12:36 PM 1693.8 Turn off onto Ramp 1.8 mi
12:38 PM 1695.6 Merge onto I-215 (West) 16.8 mi
12:54 PM 1712.4 Turn off onto Ramp 0.7 mi I-15
12:55 PM 1713.1 Merge onto I-15 (North) 65.7 mi
1:55 PM 1778.8 Continue (West) on I-84 199.2 mi
2:34 PM 1820.9 Entering Idaho
5:00 PM 1978.1 End of day
DAY 5
9:00 AM 1978.1 Stay on I-84 [US-26] 307.1 mi
10:54 AM 2096.8 Entering Oregon
1:50 PM 2285.2 At I-84 Exit 188, turn off onto Ramp 0.2 mi
1:50 PM 2285.3 Bear RIGHT (North) onto US-395 [Umatilla Stanfield HWY-54] 12.3 mi
2:05 PM 2297.7 Bear LEFT (North-West) onto Ramp 0.1 mi
2:05 PM 2297.8 Bear LEFT (West) onto US-395 [Columbia River HWY-2] 0.6 mi
2:06 PM 2298.4 Turn RIGHT (North) onto Ramp 0.1 mi
2:06 PM 2298.6 Merge onto I-82 [US-395] (North) 132.9 mi
2:07 PM 2299.4 Entering Washington
4:10 PM 2431.5 At I-82 A Exit, turn off onto Ramp 0.9 mi
4:11 PM 2432.3 Merge onto I-90 [US-97] (West) 52.3 mi
5:00 PM 2484.7 End of day
DAY 6
9:00 AM 2484.7 Stay on I-90 55.7 mi
Reconstruction near Issaquah (WB) from 1/7/2005 to 6/30/2005
9:51 AM 2540.3 At I-90 Exit 2C, turn off onto Ramp 1.1 mi I-5 / Vancouver B.C.
9:52 AM 2541.5 Merge onto I-5 (North) 111.2 mi
11:39 AM 2652.6 Entering British Columbia
11:39 AM 2652.6 Continue (North) on HWY-99 9.4 mi
11:50 AM 2662.0 Continue (West) on Ramp 0.3 mi HWY-91 / Annacis Hwy. / New Westminster
11:50 AM 2662.3 Continue (North) on HWY-91 [Annacis Hwy] 12.3 mi
12:03 PM 2674.6 Continue (West) on Ramp 0.4 mi Knight St / Vancouver
12:03 PM 2675.0 Continue (North) on Knight St 4.8 mi
12:10 PM 2679.7 Bear LEFT (North-West) onto HWY-1A [HWY-99A] 2.4 mi
12:14 PM 2682.2 Turn LEFT (West) onto Ramp 0.2 mi HWY-1A / HWY-99A / HWY-99 N / City Centre
12:15 PM 2682.3 Continue (West) on HWY-1A [HWY-99A] 0.8 mi
12:16 PM 2683.1 Turn LEFT (South-West) onto Howe St 0.1 mi
12:16 PM 2683.3 Continue (South-West) on HWY-99 [Howe St] 0.2 mi
12:17 PM 2683.5 Turn RIGHT (North-West) onto Smithe St 0.2 mi
12:18 PM 2683.7 Continue (North) on Haro St 43 yds
12:18 PM 2683.7 Arrive Vancouver

SUMMARY
Driving distance: 2683.7 miles
Trip duration: 5 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes
Driving time: 43 hours, 18 minutes

[txtaz]

thriller,
If you would like I can print out maps and detailed directions of your trip. Also, If you have time, maybe we can get you out on our 18 while you are in town.
Let us know if we can help with anything while in our neck of the woods.
Wes

[Lenny]

Mike, been there done that. It took us 75 hours to get to Houston, NON-STOP, no sleep that we were aware of ;) , and three breakdowns. Home from Dallas TX to Vancouver in 55 hours, non-stop towing something small.

You will LOVE seeing that place. I will never forget the look of the Country North of Possum heading to Lubbock and areas like that. It is absolutely beautiful and the "non-freeways" are better than our freeways. You can drive for a couple of hours at a time and pass no one. This place is so neat that I had to bring home a "stone" to remind me of the Mesquite, the bugs, the heat, the people, the place...

You will LOVE this trek. :yes: Remind me to throw a grand $$$$ your way and put in a REAL SMOKER into the fifth wheel on the way home. They don't make that kind of stuff here. :yes:

[thriller]

Thanks for the info:hyper:

I just got back from BCAA where they are printing us up a trip ticket detailing some routing options. I suspect we will make a holiday out of it...i.e. Take our time..Relax in the days and drive more at night?

My 5yr old can't sit in a seat for 8-10 hours a day so we plan on :chillpill 'nnn
in the days and drive more when he is sleeping..

I now have to go to the insurance company to see how to do the registration/licensing thing???? permits???

Looks like we will fly down next week..The dates depend on when my bank get's me my $$$ in my hot little hands..

Lenny, Where do I get these smokers? make/model etc. Maybe we can get a couple..if they are not toooo big..?

Wes , PM me and I will look you up when I'm down or e-mail me at firemike@telus.net Maybe you can have a peek at this package before I go?




MM:moped:

[MrsDigger]

I always heard that you couldn't drive that far north in anything from TEXAS because once you crossed the Mason Dixon line, the diesel would gel up and those horns on the hood would try to hook onto an overpass or something...

[thriller]

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[gold-n-rod]

While in Texas, beware of the queers and the steers!!!!!!!!!!! :eek!: :eek!: :eek!:

HollaRandy

Just funnin' with y'all!!!!! :beer:

[txtaz]

I have my shotgun ready for both...so there!!!! :fire:
HollaWes

[Lenny]

Mike, they are BIG, very, about 3/16 plate, black and did I say BIG... They are about $800 US and they are worth it. You will never get the same thing or even see the same thing up here. We can load ours with Hickory, Alder, etc and bulk purchase Mesquite through restuarant chains. :D

[Uncle Fester]

Thriller, your not far from me and I have driven the Vegas trip way to many times. I have done the Cali route, Utah route, and straight up through the state.

My recomendations since you are pulling is to head up the state and cross over to Cali from Reno. Not a bad run. A few hills between Nevada and Cali and the lower section of Oregon.

BTW, we were pulling a 35' enclosed car hauler with a NASCAR racecar inside, using a 3500 Chev dually (and some of it was in the snow - November).

Utah aint bad, and the hills in Oregon are all interstate, but getting from Pendelton to BC is kind of an out of the way toss up. If you do go that route, run down through the gorge to I-5. We've done that same route with the trailer. (Hermiston races) Not a bad run, but don't know the mileage diff from the Reno route. You probably don't want to run up to Ellensburg and then over 90 because it gets pretty hilly.

Go with Reno to Cali. And hurry up!!!!!! Chelan is only a few weeks away

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[thriller]

Uncle Fester.....I ssssooooooooooo want to be at Chelan...But due to my wifes cousin getting married...I have to go...Boring......I'll be thinking and hoisting one for you all though...Damn...It would have been Top Drawer...hi-lite of my summer kinda stuff...:(

I will look at these routes tonight and start planning the trip....

I appreciate the feedback

Lenny This smoker seems Too Big...will it fit in the door? I guess it's all in a box or something? I'll ask Wes when I chat with him..He's going to take a look at the Truck and Fifth Wheel for me:) I hope to spend a couple days there and maybe get out with Wes and Jen for a rip in the 18"

Can't begin to tell ya what this site means to me..Great People all over the globe...

Cheers, Mike

[txtaz]

Gosh, doing the math here, it appears Wes is calculatng the drive time driving an inferior truck, not a SuperDuty... You can shave many hours off those figure he gave ya....

The other Scott

Fruit: it's not just for dinner anymore :D :D

Nope ol fuzzy one, I used my driving style. According to HalloGeo aka Grasshopper, I'm an old fart with a Geritol problem and therefore drive slow. BTW did you know my boat was old and fadded? I didn't.

Geritol Wes :beer:

[txtaz]

Fruit: it's not just for dinner anymore :D :D

Ohhhhh, I just got that one....Funny, but you won't see me using a grapefruit to normalize a 20 Meg database and I have apples with my bran flakes.
Wintel Wes
PS, Did you hear Apple is going to start using Intel chips (Apptel)? Maybe I can start getting some of that $100/share I lost in 2000 back. Hyymmm, come to think about it, you go dude buy all you want. Yeah that's it, that's the ticket.

[Uncle Fester]

The cargo in the trailer????


Sorry, but boat burnt up last year......http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6178

[Lenny]

Lenny This smoker seems Too Big...will it fit in the door? I guess it's all in a box or something?

nope Mike, it is that BIG. Everything is big there and these are no exception, nor the Statue of Sam Houston as you drive into town :D

Neat place. Mike, no they will not fit but we could not buy the steel here for $800. These things are awesome. Next time... :D

If I am there (and I probably will be) I will bring back two... You will thank me for these items. :yes:

...still kicking myself for not bringing one home last time...Lenny :)

Happy trails to you and Chris and Braden...

[thriller]

Nice Rides Uncle F..........I see speed is in your blood....What kind of speeds do you average with load?

I'm trying to do the math/fuel calculations:banghead:

Mike

[Formula Jr]

What to recommend has a lot to do with how active you are, and whether you want to see cultural sites or natural sites.

Spend some time in San Antonio, see the Alamo and take the Canal Tour at night with all the x-mas lights lite up.

Take interstate 10 to Ft Stockton, then north 385 To Calsbad Caverns, do the tour, Then El Paso. Take Interstae 10 to Las Cusces then north on Interate 25 to West Interstate 40. Just past Winslow there will be an exit south to Meter Crater. Everyone has seen pictures of this Crater, but its very impressive in person. Then back out to 40 and head west. At Kingman take 93 north to Hoover Dam. You may be asked to have your 5th wheel searched. And the only parking you will find, will be the first set of parking lots as you first decend in to the canyon.
After Hoover Dam, go to Las Vegas.

You will be taking the bus back from here, so the rest of the route isn't important... :smile:

[Uncle Fester]

We were able to run about 50 through the hills between Reno and Cali. Gas was the only worry. Could only get about 200 miles on a fill and the trip from Vegas to Tonopah was like 192 miles or something like that. Ran out 4 miles from town coming up the hill.

From Seattle to Vegas it's about 1000 miles.

[Lenny]

They could go in the pick-up I guess but they have to be about 300+ pounds each :eek:

What do you think Mike?

[Zudnic]

Uncle Fester, Do you race at Wenatchee oval? If yes we probably know some of the same people.

Fuel is a concern in Nevada it can be a long distance between stations. Least thats how I remember it from driving Penske rental truck with my furniture to AZ from Tahoe in 1993/4 ish. Northern Cali is a little better in that regard. Hoover is an awsome site, not into tourist stops when driving places but thats worth it! I've done Seattle to L.A. 3 times this year, hate rental cars preffer my own! A town called Corning in Northern Cali has a Native American Casino called Rolling Hills, best rest stop for food on the trip. Good I-5 access but no fuel, buffet is usually excellant. When leaving Cali into Or., stop in Yreka for fuel even if its just a top up. Not many places after that and you enter mountains, plus the price goes up for the few places that offer it. Once in Oregon another great rest/food stop second place to Rolling Hills is Seven Feathers Hotel and Casino / Resort in Canyonville. Easy on off to the I-5 good buffet and nice gas station. The nice thing about Indian Casinos along most of the freeways in most states, besides food. They always have ample RV parking with hook-ups, etc. Bonus, they often have security patrols, so they are safe and free as well.

Have a good trip!!! :wavey:

[thriller]

:jestera: Jr. .....You crack me up! :cards: I like your way of travelling routes. That crater sounds like the perfect place to set up the smokers:) They should fit right.

Space is limited in the box of the truck with the swivel hitch and low clearance but I'm not ruling it out til I see one of these things. Look forward to the border guards quizzing me about those bad boys:yes:

600lbs more over the axle.....I don't know...I hope it has Firestones Ride Rites?Sounds too heavy but we could always get the one..And it's got your name on it Lenny:smile:

Wes is checking the unit out on Saturday:beer:

MM

[Uncle Fester]

Uncle Fester, Do you race at Wenatchee oval? If yes we probably know some of the same people.



Not anymore. They're not running super late models up there (tour cars). We only did WVSO a few times because it was too expensive to bring the car and crew from Bremerton. Even a first place finish wouldn't cover the cost.

What you doin this weekend? Me and Kat are going to take a stab at the Cresent Bar scene. Gonna put in about 0630 Saturday morning and probably spend Saturday night on the boat. Maybe Monday we'll go up to Chelan (if I have any beads left)

http://www.lyon-racing.com/

[Zudnic]

Not anymore. They're not running super late models up there (tour cars). We only did WVSO a few times because it was too expensive to bring the car and crew from Bremerton. Even a first place finish wouldn't cover the cost.


WVSO, my friends girlfriend sells beer there, so thats why I go, FREE:beer: