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1996Z15
04-30-2005, 10:14 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31271&item=4546840799&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Sounds like it's all there just needs to be restored.

Scott Pearson
05-01-2005, 05:52 PM
Starboard helm.....hum. Wonder if it was changed.



Scott
LGDCC

Lenny
05-01-2005, 06:18 PM
Scoops on the bow...hmmm, never seen that before.

Mr P. you don't need anymore of these, K ???

:D

Cuda
05-01-2005, 06:36 PM
Is that the same hull as Way-Lo?

Just Say N20
05-01-2005, 06:49 PM
You are saying bench seat because it states that three people can sit across? Is this a no back seat boat? The pictures don't show the interior at all.

Formula Jr
05-01-2005, 08:01 PM
Yes, the Bench cockpit Hornets only have one long seat.
The vents on this one have all been changed out.
The Starboard Helm IS very interesting.

blaccboat
05-01-2005, 09:24 PM
[QUOTE=1996Z15]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31271&item=4546840799&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Looks like the steering wheel is on the right side of the boat,isnt it supposed to be on the left side on a 1966 Hornet? I dont see a windshield either.I am thinking about bidding on that boat.Interested in replies. thanks Ben.

Hansel
05-01-2005, 09:35 PM
Could this have anything to do with some of the more curious features of the boat?

"1966 DONZI HORNET RACING BOAT"

Hansel

blaccboat
05-01-2005, 09:57 PM
I have emailed this guy to try to get better photos,I will post them if he replies.Ben

Just Say N20
05-01-2005, 09:58 PM
It would make sense the steering wheel is on the right side, the boat has a right hand rotation (clock wise when looking at the transom) propeller (I zoomed in on the picture, and you can just make it out), which would want to torque the boat counter clock wise. Putting the driver on the starboard side would minimize this effect. Mercruiser steering is usually on the right, Volvo on the left because of the direction of prop rotation.

blaccboat
05-01-2005, 10:03 PM
He says it has a crusader engine,does that make any difference?

Just Say N20
05-01-2005, 10:19 PM
Blaccboat,

I don't know if you were addressing the question to me about the Crusader engine, but I have a thought anyway (I am only allowed one at at time, or look out!).

In our 31 Express, we have 2 Crusader engines hooked to V-drives (this vintage were Borg). The starboard engine has the clockwise rotation propeller, the port is the opposite. The starboard engine is the one that runs normally, and the port engine (again of this vintage) runs backwards to achieve counter rotating propellers. I am told by people smarter than I am, that reverse running engines don't run quite as strongly as the normal ones do. This could be BS as I don't know what difference it would make.

Crusader has a great product. I work at Tiara Yachts, and they are the only gasoline engine we put in our yachts.

blaccboat
05-01-2005, 11:09 PM
Thanks for the reply,I already started bidding on this boat,we will see what happens.I bought a 1968 Donzi 28 and am in the process of restoring that.Gotta add one more to the family.Thanks again Ben
Blaccboat,
I don't know if you were addressing the question to me about the Crusader engine, but I have a thought anyway (I am only allowed one at at time, or look out!).

In our 31 Express, we have 2 Crusader engines hooked to V-drives (this vintage were Borg). The starboard engine has the clockwise rotation propeller, the port is the opposite. The starboard engine is the one that runs normally, and the port engine (again of this vintage) runs backwards to achieve counter rotating propellers. I am told by people smarter than I am, that reverse running engines don't run quite as strongly as the normal ones do. This could be BS as I don't know what difference it would make.

Crusader has a great product. I work at Tiara Yachts, and they are the only gasoline engine we put in our yachts.

RedDog
05-02-2005, 07:22 AM
Is that the same hull as Way-Lo?

I think it is the same hull, but Wa-Lo is a 2+3 seating configuration - http://www.donzi.net/hull.cfm?id=190

boldts
05-02-2005, 09:31 AM
Boat appears to be up in the Northeast corner of Ohio. Up towards Erie PA. I'd be up for a road trip to check it out and take lots of pictures for any interested parties. She is about 2.5 hours from Columbus.

Just Say N20
05-02-2005, 09:44 AM
I don't wanting to get into a bidding war, but I am also interested in the boat, currently being Donzi-less as I am. I have had a 1976 X-18, and a 1979 18 2+3. I have always been intrigued with the V-drives. I do most of my boating on Lake Michigan, and I believe that would be a great boat for Michigan. I suspect it would take the water a little better than the 18s. AND, the reason I sold the last 18 was the seats were not good for my wife. I believe the bench seat would be much more to her liking.

I tried to contact the owner, and apparently someone just listed the boat as a favor for a friend. I was told she didn't have any other pictures of the boat.

I am a bit apprehensive asking someone I have never met to travel 5 hours to take pictures of a boat I might not end up with. It would be nice to get some additional information about the boat though. I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and that is just outside of my "check out after work" circle of travel, as I wouldn't get there until around 11:00 pm if I left immediately after work.

Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Scott Pearson
05-03-2005, 06:18 AM
Look over this boat very carefully before bidding. 99.9% of these have coreing issues and stringer isseus. If it has coreing down the hull sides, you are in for a hugh project. Be prepered. It looks like this boat will need alot of that work due to the way the deck looks behind the seating area. The vent area has sagged. This is very common in the bench seat. Also there are scoops added and if the balsa core gets wet it will fall apart quick. Looks like chop meat when it rots. Windshield is missing. This leads to more coring issues even when the windshild was there. Donzi never sealed these holes.

I have a 1967 Bench Seat Hornet. Daytona option. Its a full blown project. Not for the faint of heart.

Hope this helps
Scott
LGDCC

Morgan's Cloud
05-03-2005, 07:15 AM
Very true on the coring issues Scott ,

The only one of these I have seen ...the one over here that was my 'alternate Donzi' for a few years.. has the foam cored deck. You can definitely see around the vent holes where it has become an issue. I think the deck also has begun to develop soft spots. It seems the foam used does'nt rot as such (like balsa) it just looses it's strength or density and then it's bond with the deck is compromised.
Other than the transom there is no other coring anywhere in the hull on this one.

Changing the tanks on one of these is another big job too as it appears the floor unit has to come out also.

Anyway... what else do we have to do with our time ?

Go for it ! :D

mattyboy
05-03-2005, 08:14 AM
probably why there are no pics of the interior,
and getting a chance to stand next to the ultimate
theres alot of boat there to re core for a 19 footer
u paint the deck black with a white stripe and you'll have
f-18's lining up to land ;)

Just Say N20
05-03-2005, 10:14 AM
I appreciate all the words of wisdom, and "look outs" that could be going on with this particular hull.

Perhaps this is a bit more project than I am willing to do at this point.:lookaroun

pmreed
05-03-2005, 08:26 PM
I had to call an in-law back and tell him to forget inspecting the boat for me. He lives in the Akron area and owns a dairy farm; it would have been a real imposition for him, but he was willing. The additional pictures, added this evening, tell a story that made me cry :bawling:. This is a bigger project than anyone needs. And where's the motor; where's the v-drive; where's the hatch. We oughta buy this poor, mistreated classic, fill it with hay, and give it a decent Viking funeral on the lake!

Phil

Rootsy
05-03-2005, 08:45 PM
if i didn't have enough on my plate already i'd be all over this baby... i love the old hornets.. bench or 2+3....

either way someone with the right skills, intentions and funding needs to pick her up and give her a loving home...

JR

Scott Pearson
05-03-2005, 09:18 PM
Phil,
There is only a handful of the bench Seat Hornets made. If I didnt already have one this would be mine. Its a very rare boat and it needs to be saved. If I didnt have a whole lotta stuff going on in my life right now I would buy this thing and just hold onto it.



Scott
LGDCC

Lenny
05-03-2005, 09:32 PM
Yikes :eek: :eek: :eek: that is a lot of work (and MONEY)

...but it does have the DONZI key fob :)

pmreed
05-03-2005, 10:17 PM
Scott, My disappointment with the reality of this particular offering got to me. I was thinking that this would be the perfect boat for my lake, and the occasional Donzi gathering. Then I saw the additional pics and realized that this one is way beyond me, even if I'm just writing checks :frown:.

Phil

hbochs
05-05-2005, 11:10 AM
My brother and I were emailing back and forth about this boat. We faced reality long before the new photos. I still think it's well worth saving too and I can't help but think if someone doesn't take her away from there she'll be gone forever to the Donzi Gods in the sky!

Rare enough are these boats, but just how many were right hand steering? It hurts just looking a the photos.... :cool:

Just Say N20
05-05-2005, 05:36 PM
Well, bidding is now over $2,000. Reserve not met.This could be one of those situations where someone is thinking about what the parts of the package are worth, adding them all together, and bingo, a reserve number.

There is a Crusader engine and V-Drive involved. But, after looking at the pictures of the hull, I don't really know how much of a rebuild would have been done by someone who let the hull get to this condition. Every major project I have done, the different parts all seemed to progress together. Seems weird that someone would rebuild the engine and transmission and have done nothing to the hull they were going into.

I always wonder what the "real story" is when you come across something like this. Here we have a very rare, at one point very desireable Donzi, that has been virtually destroyed by neglect. I think the internet is going to help minimize the number of irreplacable "things" that just disintegrate. Almost everyone can use some extra money, and the internet provides a huge potential buying audience.

Sorry, I seem to have gotten boring. 3 hours of sleep will do that to you.:shocking:

Rootsy
05-05-2005, 07:01 PM
a ligitimate center oiler 427 ford.. marine version (medium riser) even, is worth cash to racers and restorers looking for parts for old muscle cars, etc... you CAN buy new cylinder heads from the likes of edelbrock and folks like caroll shelby are reproducing side oiler blocks (the toughest of the blocks, cross bolted mains, etc)...

you WILL pay decent cash to go through one of these motors... parts are not cheap... especially if you want to do anything trick and nostalgic to them like a tri-power or 2 4V's, injection, etc...

years ago i messed up by not grabbing the long block in the garbage bin at the marina i was working at... it had pitched a rod through the side of the block but it had a good crank and 7 good rods left in it... part of a honda accord or something now i reckon...

voodoocanoe had a pair of center oilers in his barn a few years back last i knew...

JR - why yes one would look might fine in my 64 cyclone ;)

J&K SHAHBAS
05-06-2005, 02:03 PM
I couldnt stand it anymore I bid on it but still havnt got to the reserve yet.
I agree with scott this is a major project so you have to get in at a good price. Im on my 3rd donzi resto and you could easily spend 50,000 on one like this to bring it back to life. So far the seller has not contacted me with
some questions I had ,will see. Other than that I hope eveybodys doing good
weve had a ton going on so I havnt posted much.

DONZI
05-07-2005, 09:28 AM
2 bids over 10 thousand :eek!: .
User ID Bid Amount Date of bid

schmoits ( 425) US $10,211.11 May-07-05 07:10:40 PDT



atlasvl ( 90) US $10,111.11 May-07-05 07:10:45 PDT


I sure hope it isn"t a softy for their sake.

Rootsy
05-07-2005, 10:38 PM
wow.. i sure hope they want it for "love of the game" and not hoping they are gonna restore something and make a killing... cause they'll be screwed...

JR

Scott Pearson
05-08-2005, 06:17 AM
wow, Seems a little much for a boat thats really "Not all there". But then again...I would have paid $10,000 for mine.

LGDCC
Scott

lmsac00
05-08-2005, 01:08 PM
Scoops on the bow...hmmm, never seen that before.

Mr P. you don't need anymore of these, K ???

:D
lenny, i noticed the donzi in your replys, what make is it and is it a 18 ft, i have a 04 baby blue donzi anniversary and it looks the same color as yours. i was told by donzi that i have the only baby blue anniversary. just curios ..:uzi: another lenny.
regards lenny spallone

Lenny
05-08-2005, 01:55 PM
Then other "Lenny", mine is a 1974 X-18. There are many baby blue ones around. Classics and X's. Just not here.

Just Say N20
05-08-2005, 01:58 PM
I had left my computer on the ebay site for the racing hornet, and when I came back, the screen was showing the bidding history. One of my kids must have done that while I was Chicago bound.

How do you get to the screen that shows the bidding history?:bonk:

Lenny
05-08-2005, 02:08 PM
User ID Bid Amount Date of bid

schmoits ( 425) US $10,211.11 May-07-05 07:10:40 PDT



atlasvl ( 90) US $10,111.11 May-07-05 07:10:45 PDT


jhstri339f ( 5 ) US $3,500.00 May-05-05 12:07:13 PDT


boatfrmrtx ( 2 ) US $2,525.99 May-07-05 06:46:50 PDT


royceh26m9 ( 4 ) US $2,050.99 May-07-05 06:39:12 PDT


ojobijo ( 40) US $2,000.99 May-01-05 20:02:42 PDT


royceh26m9 ( 4 ) US $1,850.00 May-02-05 16:45:20 PDT


djtsales ( 18) US $1,800.00 May-01-05 05:31:28 PDT


ojobijo ( 40) US $1,700.99 May-01-05 20:02:20 PDT


ojobijo ( 40) US $1,650.00 May-01-05 20:01:58 PDT


ojobijo ( 40) US $1,500.99 May-01-05 20:00:59 PDT


ojobijo ( 40) US $1,450.99 May-01-05 20:00:44 PDT


ol-chilepup ( 15) US $1,300.00 May-01-05 16:26:53 PDT


xk18_1972 ( 256) US $1,127.00 May-01-05 13:44:54 PDT


markl4455 ( 0 ) US $710.00 Apr-30-05 22:21:46 PDT


bverd ( 103) US $700.00 Apr-30-05 21:08:06 PDT


markl4455 ( 0 ) US $690.00 Apr-30-05 22:21:15 PDT


markl4455 ( 0 ) US $670.00 Apr-30-05 22:20:47 PDT


markl4455 ( 0 ) US $650.00 Apr-30-05 22:20:24 PDT


markl4455 ( 0 ) US $630.00 Apr-30-05 22:19:58 PDT


ou_bobcats ( 32) US $600.00 Apr-30-05 18:13:16 PDT


bverd ( 103) US $600.00 Apr-30-05 21:07:57 PDT

Hope you are not Schmoits... :(

pmreed
05-08-2005, 02:25 PM
N2O, referring to the eBay listing page:

Ended: May-07-05 07:10:50 PDT
Start time: Apr-30-05 07:10:50 PDT
History: 22 bids (US $500.00 starting bid)
Winning bidder: schmoits ( 425)


When you look at the third line "History: 22 bids", just click on the "22 bids" and you'll get the whole bid history.

Phil

Just Say N20
05-08-2005, 03:50 PM
Thanks to pmreed and Lenny for the ebay education. Is this what happens when 2 people come across an item they want badly? It seems bizaar to me that the bidding went from $3,500 right to $10,111.

blaccboat
05-08-2005, 08:33 PM
I bid up to 2000.00 on that hornet.Man 10,000.00 they better plan on keeping it.Not a money maker:splat: