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tamburello
10-20-2003, 12:22 PM
I found this 27 Squadron XII/Cigarette for sale. It has a blown 540 but I don't know any other detais yet.

How do these handle in the rough stuff? Any idea as to how many were produced?

http://www.donzi.net/photos/81cigarette27d.jpg
http://www.donzi.net/photos/81cigarette27g.jpg
http://www.donzi.net/photos/81cigarette27h.jpg
http://www.donzi.net/photos/81cigarettee.jpg

- Jeff

Greg K
10-20-2003, 03:55 PM
Don't know much about the Squadrons. I do know that boat is located here in Charlotte about 30 minutes or less from me. Asking $32,500 for it.

olredalert
10-20-2003, 06:49 PM
------You can sort of feel the 27 Magnum history oozing out of this boat,cant you?The hull looks identical in these pics.Thats a good thing,but I believe I would have to do something with the two seats.The high back just isnt to my taste,but that would be easy to change..........Bill S

terry
10-20-2003, 07:03 PM
I dont remember those having the Cigarette name on them?? I thought it was a different company??

FlatRacer, aka BarrelBack
10-20-2003, 07:18 PM
olredalert:
------You can sort of feel the 27 Magnum history oozing out of this boat,cant you?The hull looks identical in these pics...........Bill S Funny you should say that. Aesthetically, the 27' Squadron XII was always my favorite Aronow design after the 27' Magnum. Now that I see more pics of it, it does sorta look like the same hull with a slightly more modern deck treatment. Put some stanchions and a cable on the deck and you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart.
Is it possible that Aronow splashed himself???

FR :p

FlatRacer, aka BarrelBack
10-20-2003, 07:38 PM
Okay, these pics help explain another mystery:

On page 126 of Michael Aronow's book there's a photo that's captioned as a 27' Squadron XII, but if that's a 27' boat the people in it have to be midgets!
I see now that it must be a 39 footer; notice the crease in the side, same as the 39 footers on the pages before and after it.
The above pics show the smooth sides on the 27 footer which is hard to see on the black 27' on page 125 in the book. Coincidentally, the 27' Magnum also has smooth sides.

Hmmm..........

FR :p

tamburello
10-21-2003, 09:47 AM
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Looking at pictures of other Squadrons it appears that some of them only had the Squadron XII logo whereas others have both the Squadron and Cigarette logos. I'd imagine that most of the boats built after Don reaquired Cigarette from Halter would have both logos. Interestingly, if you look at these pictures of the 27 that I posted,the pic on the trailer shows only a Cig logo and the Cig script across the windscreen,and the pics of it in the water show the addition of the Squadron logo to the sides of the windscreen.

Greg-
Have you seen this boat in person? Does it look good up close?

Olred-
It looks very similar to the Magnum 27 and the Midnight Express 27. Those seats would definitely have to be replaced, they don't look like they have much padding. I saw a Squadron 27 with a triple bolster front seat arrangement. I'd like to see it with two bolsters and a console in between for dual lever controls.

Flatracer-
Good eye on catching the mislabeling on the pic. 27 or 39, with that kind of air does it matter? I love that pic of Don in the red and black 27. The 27 Squadron has some great lines.

tamburello
10-21-2003, 10:36 AM
I just found what I believe to be another Squadron XII/Cigarette 27. The add says that it is an Imperial that was designed by Cigarette.

Squadron XII/Cigarette 27 (http://www.ameriserv.net/boat/)

- Jeff

Forrest
10-21-2003, 10:49 AM
It's the same exact identical hull as the original Magnum 27 - as is the Cigarette 28, and many others, including boats still made today. More hulls under 30 feet have come from the Magnum 25 and 27 than any other.

Of course it handles well in the rough stuff. She ain't no lightweight!

McGary911
10-21-2003, 11:49 AM
I've never seen a Squadron XII, but these pics show a very sharp boat. Updated nicely too. Its possible that the update included those seats, possibly home built? Magnum 27 observation seems to be right on as well.

Is jeff's link the same type of boat? Interior is much different. starboard helm. Small cuddy entrance. Hatches on the foredeck. I can see the Cig logo on the sunpad though, possibly on the side (small pic)....Possibly another pop, as the hull seems to look right? interior and deck a bit different..

olredalert
10-21-2003, 11:54 AM
Forrest,

-------Did they only build the Squadron XII as a single or are there twins out there?The rear hatch configuration is very low and,without modification,it looks way too low for twins with any kind of serious X-Dem.
-------It appears that the higher rear hatch design of the Mag 27 picks up enough room for,at least,the low rise twin applications we are used to seeing.
-------It seems like most of the 27 Aeros I have seen up here(27 Mag pops)are built as singles,but one in particular for sale just south of me is a twin.Those,however,also have the Magnum deck and hatch design so have some built in clearance!........Bill S

tamburello
10-21-2003, 01:19 PM
I did a little research and supposedly the boat in my third post is made by Imperial from the Squadron XII molds which it purchased. From what I have read the Imperial is not built nearly as well as the Squadron/Cig.

Here's a link to what is by far the best Squadron XII/Cigarette 27 that I have seen yet.

Squadron XII/Cigarette 27 (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/0/53395220.htm)

- Jeff

FlatRacer, aka BarrelBack
10-21-2003, 01:44 PM
tamburello:
I did a little research and supposedly the boat in my third post is made by Imperial from the Squadron XII molds which it purchased. From what I have read the Imperial is not built nearly as well as the Squadron/Cig.
- Jeff Jeff: I have to agree with that statement. I've seen three of these Imperials up close and they all looked as if they were built with the same care and craftsmanship that was lavished on Bayliners. I saw one in the mid '80s at a boat show and the selling price new was comparable to that of the 18' Donzi.

FR :p

FlatRacer, aka BarrelBack
10-21-2003, 01:53 PM
So, how does a prospective buyer tell the difference between a bona fide Squadron XII and an Imperial that has been, "dressed up", shall we say? eek!

Suspicious, me? I'm from NYC. Of course I am.

FR :p

tamburello
10-21-2003, 02:29 PM
The hull identification number is a fairly safe way to weed out unwelcome imposters. Type your info here to search the database of manufacturers codes.

Manufacturers Codes (http://www.boatsafe.com/links/mic_codes.htm)

- Jeff