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Looped
05-29-2002, 06:43 PM
After searching for some parts for my 18’ Barrelback I ran into these Perko parts that I have checked the sizes of them from my old weathered/de-chromed ones and they are the identical size and shape. Has anyone bought these to see if they really are like old-new stock for the engine hatch?

http://www.donzi.net/photos/cringer01hatchprts.jpg

Hinges:
http://www.boatingstore.com/boatingstore/ProdDetail/ProdDetail.asp?pid=75995&SessionNum=B175A9E135B3C0C0BA9B195AD4057FF3A703986 4B3F80C67D642776ED2732249

Latches:
http://www.boatingstore.com/boatingstore/ProdDetail/ProdDetail.asp?pid=45913&SessionNum=B175A9E135B3C0C0BA9B195AD4057FF3A703986 4B3F80C67D642776ED2732249

Thanks,
Craig

BERTRAM BOY
05-29-2002, 07:30 PM
Craig,
The original hinges have rounded corners and a slightly different screw pattern.
The latches look the same, but again have a slightly different screw pattern.
BERTRAM BOY :D :D :D

DON N.
05-29-2002, 07:30 PM
GOOD FIND MY 1968 NON-BARREL HAS SAME HARDWARE.

CDMA
05-29-2002, 07:44 PM
The one thing I have learned is that there is really no correct hardware. I still have all the original hardware that came on my boat and they are different then what you posted. Not a lot but noticeable enough. My hatch clasps are different pretty significantly and as Cliff says my hinges have rounded corners. The point of this is that there is a Donzi a friend of mine owns that is 7 hull numbers away from mine. And even on that boat the hardware is different. We are not talking huge differences but noticeable if they are pointed out. When Rich did the reproduction hardware we held my rail ends next to his and they were different. His had a little ridge for lack of a better word on the bottom and mine were totally circular. Not that this matters too much but before anyone gets in a pissing contest with anyone remember that the most likely explanation is that both of you are right. I really wonder why the hardware varies so much on these boats. The only explanation I have heard is 1) Donzi was low on $ so would go from supplier to supplier for credit purposes. or 2) multiple suppliers were used simultaneously to keep up with demand. Maybe Brownie could shed some light on this. This has been bothering me for some time. I mean I look at my boat WAKS, this other one 7 hull numbers away, Rich's and I amazed the slightest differences.

Chris

Cliff that is funny I didn't notice any hardware on your boat... wink wink wink seemed to be missing in a few spots. :p

CDMA
05-29-2002, 07:50 PM
Brownie was with Donzi till 67 is there anyone comparable to him around that could explain some things to us a little more conclusively from say 68-80 ish.

Why did they stop the barrel back? Mold release issues?
Why the round keel?
Why so much variation in hardware?
What is the deal with Cliff's originally Buick powered boat?
Where did the Criterion come from and what is its' relation to the 22. Is the 22 (classic) based off it or vice versa...years indicate the first choice)...or for that matter are the hulls different?

Looped
05-29-2002, 08:11 PM
Okay, how about these?

http://www.donzi.net/photos/cringer02hatchprts.jpg

Since my HIN is 18-103 and Cliff's being 18-105 I would assume that my hardware should be close in the 1966 Nov - Dec time frame. These hatch pieces and the vents being the only thing that I am keeping original looking I would like to find the right hatch parts.

While we're on this subject, has anyone noticed that the 4 engine compartment vents are 2 different sizes? The front ones are 5 1/8" x 5 3/4" and the rear ones are 4 3/4" x 5 3/4" or do I have a wrong set?

BERTRAM BOY
05-29-2002, 08:26 PM
Craig,
The second set looks identical to what I have. Are they Perko? If so , what are the part numbers. As far as the vents go, they should be all the same size.

Thanks,
BERTRAM BOY

Chris, when I bought the boat , it was missing a lot of hardware. I had to buy it all from Rich.

CDMA
05-29-2002, 08:45 PM
Those are my hinges. Still different clasps but oh well.

Rich's stuff is top notch.

Looped
05-29-2002, 08:56 PM
It's actually a company called Seachoice Products. Each of these parts cost less than $10 so I'm not sure how long they would last comparing them to the Perko ones I showed up above that go for around $32 - $34 each. I guess for 10 bucks a pop I could always buy a half dozen of each and keep replacing them once they start to de-chrome themselves.

Here are the links to both of them:

http://www.boatingstore.com/boatingstore/ProdDetail/ProdDetail.asp?pid=45856&SessionNum=B175A9E135B3C0C0BA9B195AD4057FF3A703986 4B3F80C67D642776ED2732249

http://www.boatingstore.com/boatingstore/ProdDetail/ProdDetail.asp?pid=45913&SessionNum=B175A9E135B3C0C0BA9B195AD4057FF3A703986 4B3F80C67D642776ED2732249

Looped
05-29-2002, 08:59 PM
Chris,
I thought that Rich only had lifting eyes, vents, vent screens and railings?

GeneD
05-30-2002, 01:30 AM
Okay guys, I got some 'little' experience in engine hatch latches.
If you go and take a look at the old ads and brochures for, say the '66. You will see an entirely different latch.
The latches and hinges shown above are the ones I ended up buying and using on 007.
I was able to find a company up north called Gem that made a similar latch found on the '66s, bought them, and discovered they were absolute junk. Appeared as if they were made in high school metal shop.
The Perko latches, though cumbersome and noisy while underway, haven't gone through any corrosion episodes just yet. Quality product.
Also, I've got three hatches to worry about, and it drove me nuts trying to find the original types. I actually have two kinds of latches, one each on the swinging side hatches, and one holding the center hatch.

Rich
05-30-2002, 11:03 AM
My early model Hardware Research........
based on manufacturers info, observation, my '66 2plus3 &'69 7 Meter, and feed back from people I've sold my reproduction hardware too.
The hull vents, hand rail ends & centers, & lifting eyes were pretty much the same in size and shape. The hand rail parts were zamac (don't know what year Donzi switched to brass). The engine hatch hinges & hasp differences I can't seem to get a fix on.
My '66 2plus3 s/n 18-75 is a triple hatch model which it appears they made about 100 of. I've seen 2 different hatch hinges on Donzi literature photos of that boat.
I also have blueprints from 2 different manufacturers that made the dash rail ends for Donzi at different times. One had rounded corners on the part and the other didn't.
So Chris is right, there was not a carved in stone "Donzi" part. It appears Donzi bought some of their stuff right out catalogs. Even the hulls and decks had variations from year to year. The power and drive combos are a whole other topic.

GeneD
05-31-2002, 06:01 AM
One thing though Rich, where you getting this 100 number on manufacture of the 1966 three hatch?
That's a lot of boats big fella. How many are you aware of right now? We don't have many in the registry.
I know from experience that a lot of times, S/N's do not start at 01. One of the companies I worked for started all their stuff at 100.
Give me some more info here...

Rich
05-31-2002, 04:02 PM
Gene,
I'm only going by numbers I see of other members boats. My triple hatch is 18-75. Jeff Stones triple hatch is 18-87. A while back there was one for sale with # 18-9??.
Cliff Wind and Looped have 1966 single hatches with # 103 & 105. So hence the 100 approximation on the triple hatches. I assume they started with 01 since there are # 01 & 02 Corsicans in the registry. By the way, the Corsican #02 was owned by a family friend here on Long Island that bought the boat new in 1969. It's the boat that made me fall in love with Donzi's.

BERTRAM BOY
05-31-2002, 06:25 PM
Rich,
I would tend to agree with you, but doesn't it seem a little odd that out of 100 or so 66's that there are only a handful accounted for?
BERTRAM BOY :D :D :D

Rich
06-01-2002, 07:35 AM
Cliff,
I'm sure there are plenty more out there but just not on the registry. I got a call from a guy named Trey that says he has a 66 triple hatch, but he's not a registry member. OK ALLAN BROWN, where are you? Help us out here please. Inquiring minds want to know.

GeneD
06-04-2002, 11:03 PM
Rich,
Good logical thinking.
BB,
Good logical thinking.
Allan?